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Old Sep 9th 2002, 12:24 pm
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hi ,
I am planning to come to aus on a study visa,applying for an mba degree in deakin or university of Ballarrat.Could anyone shed light on the usefulness of these programs?I mean what are the chances of getting a job(assuming of course i do my best during the course and get good grades)in OZ after completing an MBA from these universities?do we get campus placements also?
any help will be appreciated
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Originally posted by rohit_tar:
hi ,
I am planning to come to aus on a study visa,applying for an mba degree in deakin or university of Ballarrat.Could anyone shed light on the usefulness of these programs?I mean what are the chances of getting a job(assuming of course i do my best during the course and get good grades)in OZ after completing an MBA from these universities?do we get campus placements also?
any help will be appreciated
regards
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Old Sep 10th 2002, 6:18 am
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Hello,

I'm not applying in the skills category, and I assume that's what you are
considering. I'm not sure that an MBA alone is enough qualification to get a PR visa
in the skills category.

Most jobs that I've seen in Australia require that you be a permanent resident.
Unless you have a skill that is in short supply, and therefore eligible for PR,
you'll find it difficult to get an employer to sponsor you.

I don't know what country you are coming from, but translators are in short supply,
and an MBA + a translation certification might be enough to get the needed points for
PR. I have a friend who is Chinese, and getting an MBA, who has just taken the exam
for Chinese translators to try to come up with enough points for immigration.

Just my guess. I'm not an expert on this. Hope it helps.





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    >Originally posted by rohit_tar:
    >> hi , I am planning to come to aus on a study visa,applying for an mba degree in
    >> deakin or university of Ballarrat.Could anyone shed light on the usefulness of
    >> these programs?I mean what are the chances of getting a job(assuming of course i
    >> do my best during the course and get good grades)in OZ after completing an MBA
    >> from these universities?do we get campus placements also? any help will be
    >> appreciated regards
    >rohit
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Originally posted by Dailyoptic:
I have a friend who is Chinese, and getting an MBA, who has just taken the exam for Chinese translators to try to come up with enough points for immigration.
I'm not sure how many people notice this but if one were to apply as a translator or interpreter (skills assessment body is NAATI at http://www.naati.com.au/ ), the applicant, if he/she successfully negotiates the Level 3 test from NAATI, will be able to score 60 points for skill and the additional 5 points for fluency in an Australian community language, provided the language is on the list obviously.

This is as good as having an MODL occupation, except that it gives you 5 (instead of a possible 10) bonus points but the translator/interpreter bonus points is more stable than the MODL points.

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Old Sep 10th 2002, 8:20 am
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Been to Ballarat, was offered a job at the Uni - nice campus, friendly people,
can't comment on the MBA as I was dealing with the health faculty. Close enough to
Melbourne and the sea, though not close enough for most!

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    > Hello,
    > I'm not applying in the skills category, and I assume that's what you are
    > considering. I'm not sure that an MBA alone is enough qualification to get
a PR
    > visa in the skills category.
    > Most jobs that I've seen in Australia require that you be a permanent
resident.
    > Unless you have a skill that is in short supply, and therefore eligible
for PR,
    > you'll find it difficult to get an employer to sponsor you.
    > I don't know what country you are coming from, but translators are in
short
    > supply, and an MBA + a translation certification might be enough to get
the
    > needed points for PR. I have a friend who is Chinese, and getting an MBA,
who
    > has just taken the exam for Chinese translators to try to come up with
enough
    > points for immigration.
    > Just my guess. I'm not an expert on this. Hope it helps.
    > >no replies yet
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >Originally posted by rohit_tar:
    > >> hi , I am planning to come to aus on a study visa,applying for an mba degree in
    > >> deakin or university of Ballarrat.Could anyone shed light on the usefulness of
    > >> these programs?I mean what are the chances of getting a job(assuming of course i
    > >> do my best during the course and get good grades)in OZ after completing an MBA
    > >> from these universities?do we get campus placements also? any help will be
    > >> appreciated regards
    > >rohit
    > >
    > >--
    > >rohit
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Old Sep 10th 2002, 10:53 am
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hi there well thanks for the inputs...i heard that international students dont get
employment in australia after completion of the MBA...i mean to say that it is very
difficult..is this true?i am sure i can do well and even top my class thats no
worries,but the main issue is the job..thinking of going to deakin uni as thats
affordable and no other one will do.also the 5 extra points i will get for aus
qualification will do right? any help will be appreciated regards rohit



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    > Hello,
    > I'm not applying in the skills category, and I assume that's what you are
    > considering. I'm not sure that an MBA alone is enough qualification to get a PR
    > visa in the skills category.
    > Most jobs that I've seen in Australia require that you be a permanent resident.
    > Unless you have a skill that is in short supply, and therefore eligible for PR,
    > you'll find it difficult to get an employer to sponsor you.
    > I don't know what country you are coming from, but translators are in short supply,
    > and an MBA + a translation certification might be enough to get the needed points
    > for PR. I have a friend who is Chinese, and getting an MBA, who has just taken the
    > exam for Chinese translators to try to come up with enough points for immigration.
    > Just my guess. I'm not an expert on this. Hope it helps.
    > >no replies yet
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >Originally posted by rohit_tar:
    > >> hi , I am planning to come to aus on a study visa,applying for an mba degree in
    > >> deakin or university of Ballarrat.Could anyone shed light on the usefulness of
    > >> these programs?I mean what are the chances of getting a job(assuming of course i
    > >> do my best during the course and get good grades)in OZ after completing an MBA
    > >> from these universities?do we get campus placements also? any help will be
    > >> appreciated regards
    > >rohit
    > >
    > >--
    > >rohit
    > >
    > >
    > >Posted via http://britishexpats.com
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
 
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> also the 5 extra points i will get for aus qualification will do right?

You have to realize that an earlier reply to your post had already pointed out that having an MBA will not necessarily guarantee a positive skills assessment from any assessing bodies for migration purposes. Please try to understand what that means:

1) While you do have an Australian qualification, which means the 5 bonus points, you may not get a positive skills assessment for any nominated occupation just by flashing your MBA scroll.

2) This means that you will still have to get a positive skills assessment on the strength of your undergraduate (bachelor's) degree. If you are an IT professional (I'm assuming you are one), you will be assessed as a non-recent Australian IT graduate (MBA isn't a computing degree), so you will be scruntinized under the new post-Oct 1st 2002 ACS guidelines. This will mean that ACS will expect to see 4 years of IT experience (for Group A) or 6 years of IT experience (Group B or RPL) from you to succeed.

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Thanks for the speedy reply ptlabs!
heres what i was thinking...
have a query here.the recent changes in ACS guidelines have resulted in 4 years experience needed for positive assesment,I have only 2 years It exp.what i have considered is going to OZ on a study visa to pursue my MBA degree in Deakin university and then apply for a PR.in that case,WHAT BOSY WOULD ASSESS ME FOR MIGRATION?and will i get the 115 points needed considering that i will have some work exp in OZ (part time in IT)and an aussie degree which will give me an additional 5 points.I have a bachelors degree in engineering at present and am interested in the MBA.could anyone shed some light on this?
any help will be greatly appreciated
rohit




Originally posted by ptlabs:
Roomantic/Rohit_tar

> also the 5 extra points i will get for aus qualification will do right?

You have to realize that an earlier reply to your post had already pointed out that having an MBA will not necessarily guarantee a positive skills assessment from any assessing bodies for migration purposes. Please try to understand what that means:

1) While you do have an Australian qualification, which means the 5 bonus points, you may not get a positive skills assessment for any nominated occupation just by flashing your MBA scroll.

2) This means that you will still have to get a positive skills assessment on the strength of your undergraduate (bachelor's) degree. If you are an IT professional (I'm assuming you are one), you will be assessed as a non-recent Australian IT graduate (MBA isn't a computing degree), so you will be scruntinized under the new post-Oct 1st 2002 ACS guidelines. This will mean that ACS will expect to see 4 years of IT experience (for Group A) or 6 years of IT experience (Group B or RPL) from you to succeed.

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also,i have an option of a specialist mba with specialization in information technology,according to acs guidelines can i apply under group C with this course?
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Originally posted by ptlabs:
Roomantic/Rohit_tar

> also the 5 extra points i will get for aus qualification will do right?

You have to realize that an earlier reply to your post had already pointed out that having an MBA will not necessarily guarantee a positive skills assessment from any assessing bodies for migration purposes. Please try to understand what that means:

1) While you do have an Australian qualification, which means the 5 bonus points, you may not get a positive skills assessment for any nominated occupation just by flashing your MBA scroll.

2) This means that you will still have to get a positive skills assessment on the strength of your undergraduate (bachelor's) degree. If you are an IT professional (I'm assuming you are one), you will be assessed as a non-recent Australian IT graduate (MBA isn't a computing degree), so you will be scruntinized under the new post-Oct 1st 2002 ACS guidelines. This will mean that ACS will expect to see 4 years of IT experience (for Group A) or 6 years of IT experience (Group B or RPL) from you to succeed.

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> what i have considered is going to OZ on a study visa to pursue my MBA
> degree in Deakin university and then apply for a PR.in that case,
>WHAT BOSY WOULD ASSESS ME FOR MIGRATION?

What do you plan to nominate as your occupation? That's entirely up to you. Bosy? hmmm.... whazzat?


> and will i get the 115 points needed considering that i will have some work
> exp in OZ (part time in IT)and an aussie degree which will give me an
> additional 5 points.

Work experience must be
1) skilled
2) paid
3) full time (at least 20 hours a week)
before they are considered by DIMIA for purposes of migration.

Whether you will get 115 points or not depends on other factors. Based on what you've told (and not told) us here, I can only reply: "how long is a string?".


> could anyone shed some light on this?

A registered migration agent seems to be a good bet for you, as you have a lot of questions that are dependent on a lot of other questions.


> i have an option of a specialist mba with specialization in information
> technology,according to acs guidelines can i apply under group C with this course?

Is the course you plan to take listed as an accredited course by the ACS? Look here http://www.acs.org.au/COURS20_2.htm


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Thanks for being so patient with me
well i was thinking of applying under the category intormation technology manager 1224 which is there in the MODL.and that wasnt bosy,it was bodywhat best can i nominate as my occupation if not infotech manager?i just need a good way to get to those 115 points!
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Originally posted by ptlabs:
> what i have considered is going to OZ on a study visa to pursue my MBA
> degree in Deakin university and then apply for a PR.in that case,
>WHAT BOSY WOULD ASSESS ME FOR MIGRATION?

What do you plan to nominate as your occupation? That's entirely up to you. Bosy? hmmm.... whazzat?


> and will i get the 115 points needed considering that i will have some work
> exp in OZ (part time in IT)and an aussie degree which will give me an
> additional 5 points.

Work experience must be
1) skilled
2) paid
3) full time (at least 20 hours a week)
before they are considered by DIMIA for purposes of migration.

Whether you will get 115 points or not depends on other factors. Based on what you've told (and not told) us here, I can only reply: "how long is a string?".


> could anyone shed some light on this?

A registered migration agent seems to be a good bet for you, as you have a lot of questions that are dependent on a lot of other questions.


> i have an option of a specialist mba with specialization in information
> technology,according to acs guidelines can i apply under group C with this course?

Is the course you plan to take listed as an accredited course by the ACS? Look here http://www.acs.org.au/COURS20_2.htm


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just keeping this message up


Originally posted by rohit_tar:
Thanks for being so patient with me
well i was thinking of applying under the category intormation technology manager 1224 which is there in the MODL.and that wasnt bosy,it was bodywhat best can i nominate as my occupation if not infotech manager?i just need a good way to get to those 115 points!
regards
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Looks like the odds of you scoring enough points aren't very good.

A lot of people have MBAs--there's no shortage of MBAs in Australia, including MBAs
with specialization in IT. It's not a technical degree.

You don't have enough work experience. Part-time work in Australia while you're in
school doesn't get you anything in terms of points.

    >".i heard that international students dont get employment in australia after
    >completion of the MBA...i mean to say that it is very difficult..is this true?"

Yes, it's almost impossible. There are thousands of international students here who
would like to find jobs and stay, including those who are getting MBAs. It is very
difficult to find a full-time job unless you are a permanent resident.
 
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With an MBA you can try VETASSESS
(www.bhtafe.edu.au/VetAssess/) for
Management Consultant 2294-11 . You don' t need work experience. All you
have to show is your school credentials. That should give you sufficient
points (50 points if you qualify). The information needed by this
assessment body is the Application Form which must be accompanied by the
following below:

two certified and dated passport size photographs
a certified copy of your Birth Certificate
a certified copy of your qualification (such as degree, diploma or
certificate in the original language)
a certified transcript of the marks / grades showing subjects, hours and
examination results in the original language
evidence of change of name (if applicable)
a certified copy of your Registration or Licensing membership (if
applicable)
certified translations of any of the above documents, compiled by a
registered translation service, if originally issued in a language other
than English.


Browse the site above and you will find all the information required.

Good Luck

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    > Originally posted by Dailyoptic:
    > > I have a friend who is Chinese, and getting an MBA, who has just taken
    > > the exam for Chinese translators to try to come up with enough points
    > > for immigration.
    > >
    > I'm not sure how many people notice this but if one were to apply as a
    > translator or interpreter (skills assessment body is NAATI at
    > http://www.naati.com.au/ ), the applicant, if
    > he/she successfully
    > negotiates the Level 3 test from NAATI, will be able to score 60 points
    > for skill and the additional 5 points for fluency in an Australian
    > community language, provided the language is on the list obviously.
    > This is as good as having an MODL occupation, except that it gives you 5
    > (instead of a possible 10) bonus points but the translator/interpreter
    > bonus points is more stable than the MODL points.
    > Peter
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Page 18 of the Skilled Migration Booklet 6 (1119 - July 2002 version) states:

All skilled - independent overseas student applicants must have a 60-point occupation with a skills assessment from the relevant assessing body.

A 50-point occupation will not suffice if the original poster wants to apply under this category (presumably that's what he has in mind).


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[SIZE=1]Originally posted by Lassie:
With an MBA you can try VETASSESS for Management Consultant 2294-11 . You don' t need work experience.
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