chippy

Well, could we have planes for un-vaccinated persons only? Could this be an alternative to constantly banning things certain sectors of the population does not like?

Pulaski

It's an opinion. It's OK to have opinions that are different from yours. I happen to agree with Beoz's opinion.

There are good medical reasons for some people to not have a vaccine, but IMO "I don't feel like it", or similar, is not one of them.
So you "don't trust" something that doesn't yet exist, at least not in a form that is publically available. Hmmm, OK.
Thank you!

chippy

The mainstream media is certainly bs, I agree with you on that (despite your arrogant condescending tone).

chippy

So can I just say "no I don't want it". It has to be a reason that is acceptable to the powers that be? I see....

Seeing as you are goading me then yes, I don't trust the Covid virus vaccine that doesn't exist yet. Barring a yellow fever jab that I had to have for work in Nigeria, I have never had a vaccine in my life, even in childhood, and don't plan on starting now. This is my opinion, which in your words is ok to have.

Pulaski

Well I guess you are lucky to have grown up in an era when smallpox, polio, tetanus, whooping cough, and tuberculosis are rare (smallpox is extinct) and you haven't been infected as all are potentially fatal or can cause permanent injuries. ..... They are rare precisely because 90% plus of the population in the industrialized world have had the vaccines.

chippy

You say that as if it's a fact disputed by no-one. There is actually a great deal of research that disputes it quite emphatically...

Pulaski

Well there are people who sincerely believe the earth is flat, but that doesn't mean that their beliefs aren't nonsense.

Anyway the countries were those diseases remain endemic are closely correlated with the countries which do not vaccinate. Are there other possible vaccinations? Sure. .... Do they make any sense? Not so much.

chippy

Yes, I have seen this article, but thank you for posting it.

chippy

Well, flat Earth is a bit of an extreme example. The whole vaccination topic is a can of worms tbh, I understand the vast majority are all for it, and I'm ok with that. What I'm not ok with is forcing people. It's a very slippery slope, and represents the thin end of a very thick wedge....

andyrebell

As maybe but surely with the existence of vaccine and vaccination within the population quarantine requirement would be redundant, maybe even illegal? Though fwiw I have no knowledge of Australian law.

Beoz

Well not really. As I said, children don't have to be vaccinated for medical reasons. Given we don't have a COVID vaccine yet there is unlikely to be any established medical reasons.

As you said, "I don't trust it", that's not a medical reason. However I did ask what you don't trust? 5G implants?

Religious reasons as per some of the pacific island rugby players, again, pretend friend in the sky should not really be a reason either. You start opening that loop hole and no one gets vaccinated and we live with COVID forever. Do you want that?

chippy

Beoz, I want to be able to say, "oh yeah thanks, but I don't want it", or "hmmm, I don't fancy this one, so I'll pass thanks." I don't think I should have to justify myself, or give a reason that fits "acceptable reasons not to have it", medical or otherwise. I could give reasons why I don't want it, but for me that would be circumventing my point, which is that I should not have to give a reason. At the end of the day I must be able to have authority about what chemicals are injected into my body.

Beoz

That's fine, then I hope the government does pass such rules, unlikely they will though. And I do hope they pass such rules, like what they do with child care, because vaccination is not about the individual, its about the majority, therefore if people choose to think about themselves, then the majority shouldn't suffer.

We need and want to open up borders, and for the sake of a few who choose not to be a part of the solution, they should miss out for the benefit of the majority.

Timmy Chch

I think most people are generally on board with vaccinations especially childcare ones which have been years in the making compared go the breakneck speed these vaccines are going at. The big hope Oxford uni one took a bit of a step back yesterday. These things definitely can't be rushed

Beoz

It was a step forward for most of the medical views. It found a potential side affect for a tiny minority - great that its been identified early.