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Old Jan 25th 2012, 1:47 pm
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I understand that net rental income losses on UK property can be offset against salary earned in Australia when filling in a tax return in Australia each year.

How is rental income in the year of migration to Australia handled. IE if I moved to Australia on the 28th of February, are losses from March-June 2012 (only) to be utilised against my Australian salary at the 30th June 2012, or is the entire loss (or profit) from July 2011-June 2012 to be applied. What about losses carried forward into the UK tax year 2011/2012 from previous tax years?

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Old Jan 25th 2012, 10:17 pm
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Yes your net rental income can be offset against your Oz income.

BUT

It all starts on the day you arrive and become liable for Oz tax. Any gains or losses prior to that are irreverent to the Oz tax man.
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Default Re: Losses on UK Rental property

Originally Posted by Dentonburn
I understand that net rental income losses on UK property can be offset against salary earned in Australia when filling in a tax return in Australia each year.

How is rental income in the year of migration to Australia handled. IE if I moved to Australia on the 28th of February, are losses from March-June 2012 (only) to be utilised against my Australian salary at the 30th June 2012, or is the entire loss (or profit) from July 2011-June 2012 to be applied. What about losses carried forward into the UK tax year 2011/2012 from previous tax years?

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How are you making all these losses on rental income, considering the very low interest rate at the moment? My interest is £120 a month, on a £200k mortgage, which is a very good deal but even if it were several times that, it is still well below rental income. If I were not able to even cover the mortgage interest with rent I would be wondering if I were not charging enough rent.
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Old Jan 25th 2012, 10:51 pm
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How are you making all these losses on rental income, considering the very low interest rate at the moment? My interest is £120 a month, on a £200k mortgage, which is a very good deal but even if it were several times that, it is still well below rental income. If I were not able to even cover the mortgage interest with rent I would be wondering if I were not charging enough rent.


Long term fixed rate mortgate. Rental market is NE of England. Various other expenses floating about.

Don't you worry your head about it.
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts
How are you making all these losses on rental income, considering the very low interest rate at the moment? My interest is £120 a month, on a £200k mortgage, which is a very good deal but even if it were several times that, it is still well below rental income. If I were not able to even cover the mortgage interest with rent I would be wondering if I were not charging enough rent.
Indeed....it is only the interest part of the mortgage against which allowances can be claimed.

I very much doubt that anyone would be letting a house out for less than their mortgage interest
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Originally Posted by Dentonburn
Long term fixed rate mortgate. Rental market is NE of England. Various other expenses floating about.

Don't you worry your head about it.
Yes I expect the rents are much lower up there, but then the house would be too.

I'm not worried, just wondering at the business plan. There are a surprsing number of people who seem to think it is better to make losses and get a tax credit than make a profit and pay tax. Not suggesting that is you.
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts
Yes I expect the rents are much lower up there, but then the house would be too.

I'm not worried, just wondering at the business plan. There are a surprsing number of people who seem to think it is better to make losses and get a tax credit than make a profit and pay tax. Not suggesting that is you.
My buy to let mortgage is still charged at 4.75% interest only despite the base rate being 0.5% - haven't been able to shift it as I don't live in the UK.
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My buy to let mortgage is still charged at 4.75% interest only despite the base rate being 0.5% - haven't been able to shift it as I don't live in the UK.
Even if my mortgage were 4.75%, it would still be easily covered by rental income. I think it would need to be about 8% before I was not covering it. I am obviously a very savvy business woman.
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts
Even if my mortgage were 4.75%, it would still be easily covered by rental income. I think it would need to be about 8% before I was not covering it. I am obviously a very savvy business woman.
You are indeed. My problem for getting stuck with a Northern Rock mortgage - lost 5k on shares during the nationalisation and stuck with a rip off interest only mortgage. Ah well... can't win 'em all.
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Default Re: Losses on UK Rental property

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You are indeed. My problem for getting stuck with a Northern Rock mortgage - lost 5k on shares during the nationalisation and stuck with a rip off interest only mortgage. Ah well... can't win 'em all.
Our story is remarkably similar to your's Turban. (Even the Northern Rock shares bit).

The losses I refer for our property to are actually related to the first year of rental which had some large set-up costs. Electrical, front driveway repair, garden etc etc.
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Default Re: Losses on UK Rental property

Originally Posted by Bermudashorts
Even if my mortgage were 4.75%, it would still be easily covered by rental income. I think it would need to be about 8% before I was not covering it. I am obviously a very savvy business woman.
Is your mortgage repayment or interest only? We are wondering what's best for us to do.
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Originally Posted by Dentonburn
The losses I refer for our property to are actually related to the first year of rental which had some large set-up costs. Electrical, front driveway repair, garden etc etc.
These would be considered capital costs and so not deductable against your oz income even if they occurred after you arrived in Oz.
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What would happen in the case of a house which was fully paid off and being rented out?
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What would happen in the case of a house which was fully paid off and being rented out?
Presumably you would have to pay Australian tax on all the rental income as there would be no interest charges to offset.
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What would happen in the case of a house which was fully paid off and being rented out?
Can you depreciate property in UK. If so this would be a deduction against income in the uk.

If you cannot depreciate property in the UK can you use Oz dep rates against your UK income when you declare it in Oz.
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