Is London Transport the answer?
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Is London Transport the answer?
The Sydney Morning Herald's Grand Plan for Sydney folk seem to think so.
"The system needs to be transformed into a super service run by one transport authority, modelled on the new Transport for London and countless others, with the operating companies sitting under it. Having one transport agency will end forever the mode rivalry and inter-bureaucracy bickering. The transport infrastructure and planning functions would be owned by the new Sydney metropolitan agency (see report, Herald, June 6). Before we start talking tax incentives to get people on public transport, as sound as it might be, let's work urgently on getting a system we can get them on to."
"The system needs to be transformed into a super service run by one transport authority, modelled on the new Transport for London and countless others, with the operating companies sitting under it. Having one transport agency will end forever the mode rivalry and inter-bureaucracy bickering. The transport infrastructure and planning functions would be owned by the new Sydney metropolitan agency (see report, Herald, June 6). Before we start talking tax incentives to get people on public transport, as sound as it might be, let's work urgently on getting a system we can get them on to."
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Re: Is London Transport the answer?
Originally Posted by Banksia
The Sydney Morning Herald's Grand Plan for Sydney folk seem to think so.
"The system needs to be transformed into a super service run by one transport authority, modelled on the new Transport for London and countless others, with the operating companies sitting under it. Having one transport agency will end forever the mode rivalry and inter-bureaucracy bickering. The transport infrastructure and planning functions would be owned by the new Sydney metropolitan agency (see report, Herald, June 6). Before we start talking tax incentives to get people on public transport, as sound as it might be, let's work urgently on getting a system we can get them on to."
"The system needs to be transformed into a super service run by one transport authority, modelled on the new Transport for London and countless others, with the operating companies sitting under it. Having one transport agency will end forever the mode rivalry and inter-bureaucracy bickering. The transport infrastructure and planning functions would be owned by the new Sydney metropolitan agency (see report, Herald, June 6). Before we start talking tax incentives to get people on public transport, as sound as it might be, let's work urgently on getting a system we can get them on to."
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hardly london underground, new york has a better system
the tube in london stinks!
the tube in london stinks!
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Re: Is London Transport the answer?
Originally Posted by Banksia
The Sydney Morning Herald's Grand Plan for Sydney folk seem to think so.
"The system needs to be transformed into a super service run by one transport authority, modelled on the new Transport for London and countless others, with the operating companies sitting under it. Having one transport agency will end forever the mode rivalry and inter-bureaucracy bickering. The transport infrastructure and planning functions would be owned by the new Sydney metropolitan agency (see report, Herald, June 6). Before we start talking tax incentives to get people on public transport, as sound as it might be, let's work urgently on getting a system we can get them on to."
"The system needs to be transformed into a super service run by one transport authority, modelled on the new Transport for London and countless others, with the operating companies sitting under it. Having one transport agency will end forever the mode rivalry and inter-bureaucracy bickering. The transport infrastructure and planning functions would be owned by the new Sydney metropolitan agency (see report, Herald, June 6). Before we start talking tax incentives to get people on public transport, as sound as it might be, let's work urgently on getting a system we can get them on to."
Roads also seem to get the dominant resourcing whilst the only new railway is a couple of stops between Epping and Chatswood. That project was originally double the size but funding priorities lay elsewhere. The airport line is an expensive joke. $10 platform charges are silly.
Britain is also looking at charging motorists by the mile with a satellite system and black boxes in every car.
The biggest problem in Sydney is short sighted politicians who want the developers money rather than plan properly.
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I dream of having air con in the underground..I hate peak summer and it gets to near on 40 and we're all squashed against one and other. eeewghhhh other people's sweat is disgusting
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Re: Is London Transport the answer?
Originally Posted by bondipom
Britain is also looking at charging motorists by the mile with a satellite system and black boxes in every car.
And trafific jams in the peak persuade folk to travel at other times?
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Re: Is London Transport the answer?
Originally Posted by Banksia
Doesn't high petrol taxes achieve the same thing?
And trafific jams in the peak persuade folk to travel at other times?
And trafific jams in the peak persuade folk to travel at other times?
Better public transport probably would help, or for many people who don't live in a large town or city, some public transport rather than the once a day bus to the local town that visits every other village in a 10 mile radius effectivly making a 3 mile journey take 2 hours.
Plus getting everyone to install a black box will enable them (the government?) to track where every car owner is driving, rather big borther like to me and I'm surprised the press haven't mentionned this more.
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Re: Is London Transport the answer?
Originally Posted by Banksia
Doesn't high petrol taxes achieve the same thing?
And trafific jams in the peak persuade folk to travel at other times?
And trafific jams in the peak persuade folk to travel at other times?
As pointed out by spottydog better public transport is needed. Where it is available people use it. Sydney's biggest problem is with the new population spots eg North West where there are no trains and the bus service is scarce. That is also where there is the highest car usage and some horrible jams.
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Re: Is London Transport the answer?
don't know what it's like in Sydney but in England I think they should seriously look at improving provision for cyclists.
I would love to cycle to work, but due to the lack of cycle lanes (or, even more annoyingly, cycle lanes which are only officially cycle lanes for about an hour a day and the rest of time are invaded by cars) it's too dangerous and difficult.
Instead I have to use public transport, which to be fair in London is not bad, despite it's unreliability.
But I'm sure more people would cycle if it was made more accessible.
I've never understood why they don't paint cycle lanes onto pavements - most of the time pavements are pretty quiet (city centres excepting), and the possibility of a cycle colliding with a pedestrian is surely far less likely to result in serious injury than a cyclist colliding with a car?
Out of interest, is cycling as a mode of transport popular in Australia?
I would love to cycle to work, but due to the lack of cycle lanes (or, even more annoyingly, cycle lanes which are only officially cycle lanes for about an hour a day and the rest of time are invaded by cars) it's too dangerous and difficult.
Instead I have to use public transport, which to be fair in London is not bad, despite it's unreliability.
But I'm sure more people would cycle if it was made more accessible.
I've never understood why they don't paint cycle lanes onto pavements - most of the time pavements are pretty quiet (city centres excepting), and the possibility of a cycle colliding with a pedestrian is surely far less likely to result in serious injury than a cyclist colliding with a car?
Out of interest, is cycling as a mode of transport popular in Australia?
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Originally Posted by DianneH68
don't know what it's like in Sydney but in England I think they should seriously look at improving provision for cyclists.
I would love to cycle to work, but due to the lack of cycle lanes (or, even more annoyingly, cycle lanes which are only officially cycle lanes for about an hour a day and the rest of time are invaded by cars) it's too dangerous and difficult.
Instead I have to use public transport, which to be fair in London is not bad, despite it's unreliability.
But I'm sure more people would cycle if it was made more accessible.
I've never understood why they don't paint cycle lanes onto pavements - most of the time pavements are pretty quiet (city centres excepting), and the possibility of a cycle colliding with a pedestrian is surely far less likely to result in serious injury than a cyclist colliding with a car?
Out of interest, is cycling as a mode of transport popular in Australia?
I would love to cycle to work, but due to the lack of cycle lanes (or, even more annoyingly, cycle lanes which are only officially cycle lanes for about an hour a day and the rest of time are invaded by cars) it's too dangerous and difficult.
Instead I have to use public transport, which to be fair in London is not bad, despite it's unreliability.
But I'm sure more people would cycle if it was made more accessible.
I've never understood why they don't paint cycle lanes onto pavements - most of the time pavements are pretty quiet (city centres excepting), and the possibility of a cycle colliding with a pedestrian is surely far less likely to result in serious injury than a cyclist colliding with a car?
Out of interest, is cycling as a mode of transport popular in Australia?