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Old Sep 16th 2018, 5:53 am
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Hi All,
I'm currently negotiating offer with my employer in Sydney and I'm not sure it will be worth to leave the comfort zone (London) to Sydney.

Could you please advise me and we're confused now.

1.I'm currently earning £60K p a in London and what would be the better equivalent salary in Sydney for average living for family of four.

2. How about the life style in Sydney? I have read numerous blogs and watched youtube videos but still confused. Could you please advise if Sydney will offer a better life than in London?

3. Finally how is the work life balance in Sydney?

It will be very helpful, if you some of you can advise me for the make discussion.

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Hi All,
I'm currently negotiating offer with my employer in Sydney and I'm not sure it will be worth to leave the comfort zone (London) to Sydney.

Could you please advise me and we're confused now.

1.I'm currently earning £60K p a in London and what would be the better equivalent salary in Sydney for average living for family of four.

2. How about the life style in Sydney? I have read numerous blogs and watched youtube videos but still confused. Could you please advise if Sydney will offer a better life than in London?

3. Finally how is the work life balance in Sydney?

It will be very helpful, if you some of you can advise me for the make discussion.

Thanks a lot

Shiv
Well your salary is currently around 3 times the national average so you'd need to be looking at something like $240k pa for an equivalent though you might get by on a bit less and have a similar lifestyle. You'll also need to factor in school fees so if your kids are of school age that'd be $10k pa making the assumption that you'll be on a temporary visa anyway. (Ask your employer to cover that specifically) if your kids are under school age then child care if you need it because your OH wants to work will be about $110 a day because you'll get no subsidy on a temp visa.

Lifestyle? Well it's not Summer Bay! It's as fraught, frantic and frustrating as any other big city and you'll still have an irritating commute, you'll still do the washing up, clean the bathroom and pay through the nose for everything you want. As for "better life" what do you think that will look like for you? Will a better life for your kids include taking them away from extended family to relative isolation?

Work life balance is what you make it but if you want to get ahead then work comes first and life comes second generally. There are fewer leave entitlements as a rule too. Sydney has something of a cut throat reputation and some cultures are more inclined to have high work based aspirations.

If your OH wants to work then as a dependent on a temporary visa she could find it hard to get anything meaningful.

If it's a better career opportunity then go for it, good luck, it'll be an adventure if nothing else but I wouldn't be selling a home in London until you get permanency and are sure it's what you want or of life and maybe you could ensure that your job would still be there if you decided to return.

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Well your salary is currently around 3 times the national average
The average UK salary is approximately £27,271 at the moment, so two times average. The average Australian salary is A$82,436 which means on that metric it would be ~A$160k. Mind in Sydney I think the joint salary would have to be a bit more, given how overpriced the housing market is, etc.

I'm currently negotiating offer with my employer in Sydney
I'd be looking at the Economist data - their whole 'livability' metric that Melbourne puts such store by is to answer such questions. You can also look at the job boards for how much your type of job is currently bringing in the Sydney market.
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Hi All,

1.I'm currently earning £60K p a in London and what would be the better equivalent salary in Sydney for average living for family of four.
You need a minimum of $120K to expect the same lifestyle.


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2. How about the life style in Sydney? I have read numerous blogs and watched youtube videos but still confused. Could you please advise if Sydney will offer a better life than in London?
What do you class as lifestyle? If visiting lots of art galleries is your thing, then you are better off in London. If the beach is your thing, then Sydney is for you.

Art galleries bore me to tears so there's no loss there. However I do miss being able to jump on a Friday night flight for a ski in the Alps. When I was younger, I found the booze up social scene better in London. Larger city, better pub culture. But now, having a young family Sydney offers more variety for the little ones because of the ability to be outside all year round.

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3. Finally how is the work life balance in Sydney?
Its entirely up to you. Just like London, you can work all night and all weekend if you want to. You can do the same in Sydney.
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On your salary, I'd take London any day. (or over anywhere else in Australia for that matter)Far more culture, conversation, closeness to Mainland London, just far more to do. Perhaps Sydney for a year if possible and had job to return to at the end of that time, just for the experience, but long term nah. Outside of beach what really is there, especially compared beside London? Okay the weather could be a further plus. The offer would have to be pretty darn good is all I could say.
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Far more culture, conversation, closeness to Mainland London, just far more to do.
You are making London look bad. That's a horrible sales pitch. (What is Mainland London?)

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Outside of beach what really is there, especially compared beside London? Okay the weather could be a further plus. .
National Parks, beautiful walks, awesome restaurants with views, boating, fishing, good sport to play and watch, parks parks and more parks. For a family of 4 all this free stuff in a beautiful setting works very nicely.
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On your salary, I'd take London any day. (or over anywhere else in Australia for that matter)Far more culture, conversation, closeness to Mainland London, just far more to do. Perhaps Sydney for a year if possible and had job to return to at the end of that time, just for the experience, but long term nah. Outside of beach what really is there, especially compared beside London? Okay the weather could be a further plus. The offer would have to be pretty darn good is all I could say.
I'm inclined to agree with this. I recently returned to the UK on holiday after 8 years away and was surprised at how ambivalent I felt about living in the UK versus living in Australia. London is certainly more interesting and varied if you're cashed up and feeling sufficiently energetic, while Australia is a nice sunny place to relax and ...uh die
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You are making London look bad. That's a horrible sales pitch. (What is Mainland London?)



National Parks, beautiful walks, awesome restaurants with views, boating, fishing, good sport to play and watch, parks parks and more parks. For a family of 4 all this free stuff in a beautiful setting works very nicely.
Trying to 'do your head'. Works magnificently. But back to subject. London outclasses Sydney, which outside of beaches and perhaps weather, is somewhat dull and expensive for what it offers.
London rules, in culture, class, entertainment, diversity, location, sophistication, internationalism, worldliness, a place of many dimensions where most can find a place . London has some of the best parks in Europe, great public transport (if to expensive) far better walkability, far more going on. Just check out Time Out Sydney version compared to London. Sydney looks almost a provincial back water. Fishing really? Thing being beaches and fishing are available at probably less of a drive across Sydney. (Sussex, Essex, Kent coasts)
Besides more approachable people, better humour, decent conversation, easy access to Europe, The advantages go on and on.

Sydney may have got first to the post twenty/twenty five years ago or so, but really who wants to be a part of the second most over inflated city in the world, with ever declining living standards, increasing living to work with a probable correction of magnitude around the corner?
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I'm inclined to agree with this. I recently returned to the UK on holiday after 8 years away and was surprised at how ambivalent I felt about living in the UK versus living in Australia. London is certainly more interesting and varied if you're cashed up and feeling sufficiently energetic, while Australia is a nice sunny place to relax and ...uh die
Yep. While there are many cities with a great vibe in Europe, always love returning to London. A feel of its own, I preferred it before it became a haven for banksters that altered, tremendously some of the 'old manors' used to love dearly, now unaffordable, or less interesting, but the buzz on the street is great and London maintains so many dimensions. and a feeling impossible IMO to capture anywhere in Australia.
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Trying to 'do your head'. Works magnificently. But back to subject. London outclasses Sydney, which outside of beaches and perhaps weather, is somewhat dull and expensive for what it offers.
London rules, in culture, class, entertainment, diversity, location, sophistication, internationalism, worldliness, a place of many dimensions where most can find a place . London has some of the best parks in Europe, great public transport (if to expensive) far better walkability, far more going on. Just check out Time Out Sydney version compared to London. Sydney looks almost a provincial back water. Fishing really? Thing being beaches and fishing are available at probably less of a drive across Sydney. (Sussex, Essex, Kent coasts)
Besides more approachable people, better humour, decent conversation, easy access to Europe, The advantages go on and on.

Sydney may have got first to the post twenty/twenty five years ago or so, but really who wants to be a part of the second most over inflated city in the world, with ever declining living standards, increasing living to work with a probable correction of magnitude around the corner?
Wow. You really have a chip on the old backward shoulder of yours. It's all about resentment.

I think you proved the point. There is absolutely no similarities between Sydney and London whatsoever.

As someone who has lived in both locations multiple times I wouldn't even try to compare. Fan of both for different reasons.

Sadly for you, you are stuck in a place you hate. Not sure why you bother. Only you can change your sadness.
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Wow. You really have a chip on the old backward shoulder of yours. It's all about resentment.

I think you proved the point. There is absolutely no similarities between Sydney and London whatsoever.

As someone who has lived in both locations multiple times I wouldn't even try to compare. Fan of both for different reasons.

Sadly for you, you are stuck in a place you hate. Not sure why you bother. Only you can change your sadness.
Ok. Your some sort of cat that has lost its ability to navigate in the dark. A severe impairment under the circumstances. Of course there are similarities between a nations two biggest cities, by that nature alone, but mainly the author is asking for a heads up on swapping London for Sydney. You are right there. No comparison. London dwarfs Sydney in most every measurement and more. Depending on expectations of the person considering change. If fishing rates as a desirable pastime, or over crowded beaches, if one can find parking, in an over rated, over priced, ever over crowded, rather mediocre city with below average night life, living among all too many self important, self absorbed, stressed out mortgage slaves, then hey go for it. If already in position in London, why on earth would you?
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. If fishing rates as a desirable pastime, or over crowded beaches, if one can find parking, in an over rated, over priced, ever over crowded, rather mediocre city with below average night life, living among all too many self important, self absorbed, stressed out mortgage slaves, then hey go for it. If already in position in London, why on earth would you?
My son likes fishing. He hates art galleries or better put, too young to understand.

Remember, the poster asked about lifestyle for a family of 4. Perhaps the kids are mature aged intellects. Probably not if he is considering shipping the lot to Australia.

The above is so far removed from fact. Parking at my beach is a piece of pie.

Since you have zero idea about what it's like to live in Sydney I can only assume this envy is the result of resentment.

I am sorry for your misfortune of having to live in Perth with all its attributes that are so far removed from what you seek in life.
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My son likes fishing. He hates art galleries or better put, too young to understand.

Remember, the poster asked about lifestyle for a family of 4. Perhaps the kids are mature aged intellects. Probably not if he is considering shipping the lot to Australia.

The above is so far removed from fact. Parking at my beach is a piece of pie.

Since you have zero idea about what it's like to live in Sydney I can only assume this envy is the result of resentment.

I am sorry for your misfortune of having to live in Perth with all its attributes that are so far removed from what you seek in life.
I suppose you must make what you can of Sydney. If fishing and beaching are all you can come up with as reasons to remain in Sydney, then you may just as well move to Port Macquarie, more suited for children craving those sort of pursuits. Or if must stay in OZ, toughen up and head West. Really kiddies play ground over here.
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I suppose you must make what you can of Sydney. If fishing and beaching are all you can come up with as reasons to remain in Sydney, then you may just as well move to Port Macquarie, more suited for children craving those sort of pursuits. Or if must stay in OZ, toughen up and head West. Really kiddies play ground over here.
I came up with plenty for a family of 4, you chose to ignore it as it smashes your agenda of resentment.

You make a point though. Port Macquarie. Some (very few) do go there on holiday. Very few because you have all that in Sydney. So why leave just to go to Port Macquarie.

There it is. "Toughen up and head West". You did that and ended up becoming BE's ambassador for misery. It's very selfish of you to sell your misery to others making life changing plans.
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I came up with plenty for a family of 4, you chose to ignore it as it smashes your agenda of resentment.

You make a point though. Port Macquarie. Some (very few) do go there on holiday. Very few because you have all that in Sydney. So why leave just to go to Port Macquarie.

There it is. "Toughen up and head West". You did that and ended up becoming BE's ambassador for misery. It's very selfish of you to sell your misery to others making life changing plans.
What is selfish is you attempting to oversell a city as over rated and over inflated as Sydney, and attempting to compare it with London in any way. The' life style', a term I detest, you appear to sell, fishing and beach, is far ,more accessible here in Perth than Sydney. Not a rent seeker, so free to state it how it is. Being a suburban raised 'Sydney boy' we should perhaps expect little else but colloquial bias, but face reality, Sydney is not an especially attractive city for incomers, especially with a family in tow, with world over inflated housing prices regardless of purchasing or renting. Those prices cannot be sustained. I get it you wish the 'rip off' would continue, for selfish reasons, but sanity must prevail if Sydney has much hope for the future. Option still open Head West and some 'deals' to be had around Alkimos.
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