Laugh or cry you wont see this in the UK.
Mar 9th 2004, 8:43 pm
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Re: Laugh or cry you wont see this in the UK.
Originally posted by Megalania
Ethiopians = champion long distance runners, a compliment. Good creative use of the lingo.
Ethiopians = champion long distance runners, a compliment. Good creative use of the lingo.
Mar 9th 2004, 8:55 pm
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Re: Laugh or cry you wont see this in the UK.
Originally posted by nickyc
Agree.
I have never seen a bigger mixing pot of colours and creeds than here. My kids have grown up surrounded by every race and colour you can imagine at school and I have never seen or heard of any one of them being treated any differently from anyone else.
Queensland's nickname is the 'redneck' state and Queensland is not typical of Australia as a whole
Agree.
I have never seen a bigger mixing pot of colours and creeds than here. My kids have grown up surrounded by every race and colour you can imagine at school and I have never seen or heard of any one of them being treated any differently from anyone else.
Queensland's nickname is the 'redneck' state and Queensland is not typical of Australia as a whole
Just look at TV, or who's who in the business world. Racism exists in Oz, but is in layers. Anglo Saxon at the top, followed by Mediterranean, with Asian peoples much further down. The Chinese have been in Oz for ~150 years - but have relatively few powerful positions.
Of course, this is not unique to Oz. Only in the past 20-30 years has UK become a lot more sensitive to different races and colours.
But the fact remains, if you want to see a black or asian face on TV, you're much more likely to see it on The Bill than any domestic Oz products.
I wonder how many british expats reading this post are from an afro-caribbean or asian background?
Mar 9th 2004, 9:12 pm
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Re: Laugh or cry you wont see this in the UK.
Originally posted by MikeStanton
I question that this mainly a Q'land thing. Are country NSW/WA/... really any different? Mixed schooling is a good start, but racism is as much about opportunities - people may tolerate others, but not see them as equals.
Just look at TV, or who's who in the business world. Racism exists in Oz, but is in layers. Anglo Saxon at the top, followed by Mediterranean, with Asian peoples much further down. The Chinese have been in Oz for ~150 years - but have relatively few powerful positions.
Of course, this is not unique to Oz. Only in the past 20-30 years has UK become a lot more sensitive to different races and colours.
But the fact remains, if you want to see a black or asian face on TV, you're much more likely to see it on The Bill than any domestic Oz products.
I wonder how many british expats reading this post are from an afro-caribbean or asian background?
I question that this mainly a Q'land thing. Are country NSW/WA/... really any different? Mixed schooling is a good start, but racism is as much about opportunities - people may tolerate others, but not see them as equals.
Just look at TV, or who's who in the business world. Racism exists in Oz, but is in layers. Anglo Saxon at the top, followed by Mediterranean, with Asian peoples much further down. The Chinese have been in Oz for ~150 years - but have relatively few powerful positions.
Of course, this is not unique to Oz. Only in the past 20-30 years has UK become a lot more sensitive to different races and colours.
But the fact remains, if you want to see a black or asian face on TV, you're much more likely to see it on The Bill than any domestic Oz products.
I wonder how many british expats reading this post are from an afro-caribbean or asian background?
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Mar 9th 2004, 11:28 pm
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Re: Laugh or cry you wont see this in the UK.
Originally posted by MikeStanton
The Chinese have been in Oz for ~150 years - but have relatively few powerful positions.
The Chinese have been in Oz for ~150 years - but have relatively few powerful positions.
[i] But the fact remains, if you want to see a black or asian face on TV, you're much more likely to see it on The Bill than any domestic Oz products..
Mar 10th 2004, 3:55 pm
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Originally posted by MeganEkno
It's not normal in Australia either, it is completely unacceptable where ever you go. The teacher should be reported. When the teacher ripped the headscarf of an Islamic student in England no one started asking questions about English teachers in general - because as was the case it was a freak occurrence by a rude misinformed nutter.
I need not remind you Australia is a massive multi-cultural society and at times are more successful at successful racial integration than many other countries.
It's not normal in Australia either, it is completely unacceptable where ever you go. The teacher should be reported. When the teacher ripped the headscarf of an Islamic student in England no one started asking questions about English teachers in general - because as was the case it was a freak occurrence by a rude misinformed nutter.
I need not remind you Australia is a massive multi-cultural society and at times are more successful at successful racial integration than many other countries.
Mar 10th 2004, 6:08 pm
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Originally posted by mcmercer
Is this because its acceptable here or because people arent exposed so much to other cultures/nationalities (except poms) as much??? (I know there are other cultures/nationalities here, I'm talking about mixing) I've no idea but was just expressing amazement today that I havnt seen a single non-white child at my daughters school which concerns me a bit, we're from Birmingham where there is a huge diversity of people and that is something I liked about the place.
No I'm not starting to moan already I promise, just intrigued
Is this because its acceptable here or because people arent exposed so much to other cultures/nationalities (except poms) as much??? (I know there are other cultures/nationalities here, I'm talking about mixing) I've no idea but was just expressing amazement today that I havnt seen a single non-white child at my daughters school which concerns me a bit, we're from Birmingham where there is a huge diversity of people and that is something I liked about the place.
No I'm not starting to moan already I promise, just intrigued
Moaning because there aren't enough blacks.
Mar 10th 2004, 6:25 pm
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Originally posted by renth
This has to be a first on this forum.
Moaning because there aren't enough blacks.
This has to be a first on this forum.
Moaning because there aren't enough blacks.
Thought provoking comment, can anyone name:-
name one black OZ TV presenter or newsreader,
one OZ ad featuring a black person
one black OZ politician
one black OZ movie star
one black OZ soap star. (You could have me there, I dont watch Soaps but are there any?)
One OZ soap set in the outback.
One black OZ tycoon or billionaire.
Mar 10th 2004, 6:30 pm
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Originally posted by dotty
Thought provoking comment, can anyone name:-
name one black OZ TV presenter or newsreader,
one OZ ad featuring a black person
one black OZ politician
one black OZ movie star
one black OZ soap star. (You could have me there, I dont watch Soaps but are there any?)
One OZ soap set in the outback.
One black OZ tycoon or billionaire.
Thought provoking comment, can anyone name:-
name one black OZ TV presenter or newsreader,
one OZ ad featuring a black person
one black OZ politician
one black OZ movie star
one black OZ soap star. (You could have me there, I dont watch Soaps but are there any?)
One OZ soap set in the outback.
One black OZ tycoon or billionaire.
Deborah Kennedy in Perth or Trisha in the UK, she's Australian, Ernie Dingo
one black OZ movie star
Ernie Dingo
one black OZ soap star.
Deborah Mailman - the Secret Life of us
One OZ soap set in the outback.
Flying doctors
One black OZ tycoon or billionaire.
Got me there.
Do I win a prize?
Mar 10th 2004, 6:36 pm
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When you say black do you mean aboriginal? Because of the now extinct white Australia policy there are not that many black people in Australia.
Secret life of us, Mecleods Daughters and that show about fireys all meet some of your criteria. I do not watch them so I cannot give any details.
If there is a black in these positions in the UK accusations of tokenism come flying out.
Another point is you have to look at this in the context of the racial makeup of the country. Hopefully megs will be looking up the figures in Google as we speak.
Secret life of us, Mecleods Daughters and that show about fireys all meet some of your criteria. I do not watch them so I cannot give any details.
If there is a black in these positions in the UK accusations of tokenism come flying out.
Another point is you have to look at this in the context of the racial makeup of the country. Hopefully megs will be looking up the figures in Google as we speak.
Mar 10th 2004, 6:41 pm
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Originally posted by renth
name one black OZ TV presenter or newsreader:
Deborah Kennedy in Perth or Trisha in the UK, she's Australian, Ernie Dingo
one black OZ movie star
Ernie Dingo
one black OZ soap star.
Deborah Mailman - the Secret Life of us
One OZ soap set in the outback.
Flying doctors
One black OZ tycoon or billionaire.
Got me there.
Do I win a prize?
name one black OZ TV presenter or newsreader:
Deborah Kennedy in Perth or Trisha in the UK, she's Australian, Ernie Dingo
one black OZ movie star
Ernie Dingo
one black OZ soap star.
Deborah Mailman - the Secret Life of us
One OZ soap set in the outback.
Flying doctors
One black OZ tycoon or billionaire.
Got me there.
Do I win a prize?
So I shall count 2 famous aussies, Ernie Dingo and not being in Perth I shall take your word on Deborah Mailman
Mar 10th 2004, 6:45 pm
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Originally posted by dotty
No prize, Trish goddard left but was part pom anyway, Flying Doctors was about white people, I should have explained a Soap set in an aboriginal neighbourhood. Ernie Dingo was good tho, but you cant put him in every answer
So I shall count 2 famous aussies, Ernie Dingo and not being in Perth I shall take your word on Deborah Mailman
No prize, Trish goddard left but was part pom anyway, Flying Doctors was about white people, I should have explained a Soap set in an aboriginal neighbourhood. Ernie Dingo was good tho, but you cant put him in every answer
So I shall count 2 famous aussies, Ernie Dingo and not being in Perth I shall take your word on Deborah Mailman
Boney, does anyone remember Boney?
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Mar 10th 2004, 6:54 pm
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Originally posted by bondipom
When you say black do you mean aboriginal? Because of the now extinct white Australia policy there are not that many black people in Australia.
Secret life of us, Mecleods Daughters and that show about fireys all meet some of your criteria. I do not watch them so I cannot give any details.
If there is a black in these positions in the UK accusations of tokenism come flying out.
Another point is you have to look at this in the context of the racial makeup of the country. Hopefully megs will be looking up the figures in Google as we speak.
When you say black do you mean aboriginal? Because of the now extinct white Australia policy there are not that many black people in Australia.
Secret life of us, Mecleods Daughters and that show about fireys all meet some of your criteria. I do not watch them so I cannot give any details.
If there is a black in these positions in the UK accusations of tokenism come flying out.
Another point is you have to look at this in the context of the racial makeup of the country. Hopefully megs will be looking up the figures in Google as we speak.
I dont seperate my french friends with white skin from my aussie friends with white skin so I shall have to say any person with black skin, brown skin, coffee skin basically any person representing what is really the natural coloured race of this country, no matter how long they have lived here.
Seriously I think we have a long way to go
Lets hope I dont get banned for posting these questions but I think they are a fair point why not a black PM
Mar 10th 2004, 7:17 pm
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Let's cut the crap. 
What Oz does to its indigenous people is nothing short of criminal. Perhaps genocide is not too strong a word. But, don't listen to a whinging Pom like me, get it from the multi-award winning dinki di Aussie journo, John Pilger. Then you figure if Oz has a de facto racialist policy.
Anybody who believes that Oz does its best for aborigines, should read Pilger's 2002 book, "The New Rulers of the World" (section entitled "The Chosen Ones") .
Here are a few extracts:
* Apart from countries at war, Oz has the distinction of having the highest death rate in the world among its indigenous people
* Aboriginal people suffer from diseases we saw the end of in the Edingbugh slums of the 19th century - like rheumatic fever; Oz has the highest ever reported in the world. And the cause? Poverty and disposession
* In white Oz, an eduring myth is the millions of dollars poured into Aboriginal welfare:
- in '97, per capita, aborigines received 25% less than whites. For every dollar spent per head under the national Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, only 20 cents per head are spent on aboriginal people
- death rate of aboriginal women is 6 times that of white women
* NZ, US and Canada have comparable indigenous populations to Oz. And these other 3 countries have made significant progress in the last generation. A baby born to indigenous people in NZ, US and Canada, has a life expectancy of 3-6 years less than the rest of the population. In Oz , the difference is 18-20 years.
Did you know that the Oz Attorney-general Philip Ruddock was a member of Amnesty International for 25 years. Well, that was until Amnesty International cancelled his subscription.
The final words go to Professor Colin Tatz, Genocide Studies Centre, Sydney:
"If there was a race between democratic nations to see who could best address
the violation of the human rights [of its original people], Australia would be coming stone motherless last"
What Oz does to its indigenous people is nothing short of criminal. Perhaps genocide is not too strong a word. But, don't listen to a whinging Pom like me, get it from the multi-award winning dinki di Aussie journo, John Pilger. Then you figure if Oz has a de facto racialist policy.
Anybody who believes that Oz does its best for aborigines, should read Pilger's 2002 book, "The New Rulers of the World" (section entitled "The Chosen Ones") .
Here are a few extracts:
* Apart from countries at war, Oz has the distinction of having the highest death rate in the world among its indigenous people
* Aboriginal people suffer from diseases we saw the end of in the Edingbugh slums of the 19th century - like rheumatic fever; Oz has the highest ever reported in the world. And the cause? Poverty and disposession
* In white Oz, an eduring myth is the millions of dollars poured into Aboriginal welfare:
- in '97, per capita, aborigines received 25% less than whites. For every dollar spent per head under the national Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, only 20 cents per head are spent on aboriginal people
- death rate of aboriginal women is 6 times that of white women
* NZ, US and Canada have comparable indigenous populations to Oz. And these other 3 countries have made significant progress in the last generation. A baby born to indigenous people in NZ, US and Canada, has a life expectancy of 3-6 years less than the rest of the population. In Oz , the difference is 18-20 years.
Did you know that the Oz Attorney-general Philip Ruddock was a member of Amnesty International for 25 years. Well, that was until Amnesty International cancelled his subscription.
The final words go to Professor Colin Tatz, Genocide Studies Centre, Sydney:
"If there was a race between democratic nations to see who could best address
the violation of the human rights [of its original people], Australia would be coming stone motherless last"
Mar 10th 2004, 7:34 pm
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Originally posted by dotty
Thought provoking comment, can anyone name:-
Thought provoking comment, can anyone name:-
David Gulpilil
Mar 10th 2004, 9:43 pm
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Originally posted by MikeStanton
Let's cut the crap.
What Oz does to its indigenous people is nothing short of criminal. Perhaps genocide is not too strong a word. But, don't listen to a whinging Pom like me, get it from the multi-award winning dinki di Aussie journo, John Pilger. Then you figure if Oz has a de facto racialist policy.
Anybody who believes that Oz does its best for aborigines, should read Pilger's 2002 book, "The New Rulers of the World" (section entitled "The Chosen Ones") .
Here are a few extracts:
* Apart from countries at war, Oz has the distinction of having the highest death rate in the world among its indigenous people
* Aboriginal people suffer from diseases we saw the end of in the Edingbugh slums of the 19th century - like rheumatic fever; Oz has the highest ever reported in the world. And the cause? Poverty and disposession
* In white Oz, an eduring myth is the millions of dollars poured into Aboriginal welfare:
- in '97, per capita, aborigines received 25% less than whites. For every dollar spent per head under the national Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, only 20 cents per head are spent on aboriginal people
- death rate of aboriginal women is 6 times that of white women
* NZ, US and Canada have comparable indigenous populations to Oz. And these other 3 countries have made significant progress in the last generation. A baby born to indigenous people in NZ, US and Canada, has a life expectancy of 3-6 years less than the rest of the population. In Oz , the difference is 18-20 years.
Did you know that the Oz Attorney-general Philip Ruddock was a member of Amnesty International for 25 years. Well, that was until Amnesty International cancelled his subscription.
The final words go to Professor Colin Tatz, Genocide Studies Centre, Sydney:
"If there was a race between democratic nations to see who could best address
the violation of the human rights [of its original people], Australia would be coming stone motherless last"
Let's cut the crap.
What Oz does to its indigenous people is nothing short of criminal. Perhaps genocide is not too strong a word. But, don't listen to a whinging Pom like me, get it from the multi-award winning dinki di Aussie journo, John Pilger. Then you figure if Oz has a de facto racialist policy.
Anybody who believes that Oz does its best for aborigines, should read Pilger's 2002 book, "The New Rulers of the World" (section entitled "The Chosen Ones") .
Here are a few extracts:
* Apart from countries at war, Oz has the distinction of having the highest death rate in the world among its indigenous people
* Aboriginal people suffer from diseases we saw the end of in the Edingbugh slums of the 19th century - like rheumatic fever; Oz has the highest ever reported in the world. And the cause? Poverty and disposession
* In white Oz, an eduring myth is the millions of dollars poured into Aboriginal welfare:
- in '97, per capita, aborigines received 25% less than whites. For every dollar spent per head under the national Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, only 20 cents per head are spent on aboriginal people
- death rate of aboriginal women is 6 times that of white women
* NZ, US and Canada have comparable indigenous populations to Oz. And these other 3 countries have made significant progress in the last generation. A baby born to indigenous people in NZ, US and Canada, has a life expectancy of 3-6 years less than the rest of the population. In Oz , the difference is 18-20 years.
Did you know that the Oz Attorney-general Philip Ruddock was a member of Amnesty International for 25 years. Well, that was until Amnesty International cancelled his subscription.
The final words go to Professor Colin Tatz, Genocide Studies Centre, Sydney:
"If there was a race between democratic nations to see who could best address
the violation of the human rights [of its original people], Australia would be coming stone motherless last"
Here is Alison Anderson, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander C Commissioner talking on International Woman's Day:
ATSIC Radio 11 March 2004
I've met her many times - a down to earth woman.
Worth 10 minutes off your life time?
