Kiwi's discrimination complaint upheld by Aussie tribunal
Mar 22nd 2011, 11:40 pm
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Re: Kiwi's discrimination complaint upheld by Aussie tribunal
The 444 visa is a funny one indeed. We are on it and very grateful for it, esp as we may have missed the boat for converting it to PR (over 45, recent job changes blah blah). We love it here and would dearly love to convert it to PR and get our Oz citizenship as this is truly home.
The trouble as I see it with 444 is it is legally a temporary visa which gives you some permanent rights. This can get very confusing for officialdom type peeps eg schools, regulatory bodies, etc as you are technically a temporary visa holder who lives here permanently, forms can be a nightmare!!! Also as the same quirks do not apply to Australians living in NZ there is some disparity, which leads to confusion.
The whole thing can seem a little ill conceived at times. For example if we go for PR we have to have medicals. Ok thats fine and I get that medicals are to ensure you won't be a burden to the health system, and I am fine with that. However as NZ'ers we have medicare so isn't the medical a bit of a pointless exercise?! The more you live on a 444 the more you notice these quirks, so I am not really suprised that people have used the legal system to try and get some clarity.
The trouble as I see it with 444 is it is legally a temporary visa which gives you some permanent rights. This can get very confusing for officialdom type peeps eg schools, regulatory bodies, etc as you are technically a temporary visa holder who lives here permanently, forms can be a nightmare!!! Also as the same quirks do not apply to Australians living in NZ there is some disparity, which leads to confusion.
The whole thing can seem a little ill conceived at times. For example if we go for PR we have to have medicals. Ok thats fine and I get that medicals are to ensure you won't be a burden to the health system, and I am fine with that. However as NZ'ers we have medicare so isn't the medical a bit of a pointless exercise?! The more you live on a 444 the more you notice these quirks, so I am not really suprised that people have used the legal system to try and get some clarity.
Mar 23rd 2011, 12:10 am
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Re: Kiwi's discrimination complaint upheld by Aussie tribunal
Well done, good job.
Mar 23rd 2011, 12:14 am
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Re: Kiwi's discrimination complaint upheld by Aussie tribunal
Originally Posted by jimmyoz2010
it was raised in 2001 when changes went through
Mar 23rd 2011, 12:32 am
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Re: Kiwi's discrimination complaint upheld by Aussie tribunal
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
It would probably do NZ good, if Australia insisted that all Kiwi's go through the same visa process the rest of us have to do. It would stop the outflow of people from NZ to Australia in its tracks.
Basically everyone would be a winner
Mar 23rd 2011, 1:16 am
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Re: Kiwi's discrimination complaint upheld by Aussie tribunal
Originally Posted by Amazulu
Good point - making it harder for Kiwis to get here would be a big benefit to the NZ economy - what little there is of it.
Basically everyone would be a winner
Basically everyone would be a winner
Last edited by Fluid36; Mar 23rd 2011 at 1:18 am.
Mar 23rd 2011, 1:22 am
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Re: Kiwi's discrimination complaint upheld by Aussie tribunal
Originally Posted by Fluid36
Yeah NZ is pathetic compared to Australia, especially the pathetic little economy and the wanker accents, just like Australia as pathetic compared to the UK and the UK pathetic compared to the US. Haha - look at me, I'm better than you.
Mar 23rd 2011, 1:23 am
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Re: Kiwi's discrimination complaint upheld by Aussie tribunal
Originally Posted by Fluid36
Yeah NZ is pathetic compared to Australia, especially the pathetic little economy and the wanker accents, just like Australia as pathetic compared to the UK and the UK pathetic compared to the US. Haha - look at me, I'm better than you.
Mar 23rd 2011, 1:24 am
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Re: Kiwi's discrimination complaint upheld by Aussie tribunal
Originally Posted by Buzzy--Bee
Accents aside, one of the biggest things holding back New Zealand's further development is the attitude of it's people that it is already as developed as Australia, UK, US etc.
Mar 23rd 2011, 1:28 am
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Re: Kiwi's discrimination complaint upheld by Aussie tribunal
Originally Posted by Fluid36
Yeah NZ is pathetic compared to Australia, especially the pathetic little economy and the wanker accents
Mar 23rd 2011, 1:30 am
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Re: Kiwi's discrimination complaint upheld by Aussie tribunal
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
the Clangers can take the Klingons anyday.
Last edited by Amazulu; Mar 23rd 2011 at 1:35 am.
Mar 23rd 2011, 1:31 am
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Re: Kiwi's discrimination complaint upheld by Aussie tribunal
Originally Posted by Amazulu
Too true cussie
Mar 23rd 2011, 1:33 am
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Re: Kiwi's discrimination complaint upheld by Aussie tribunal
Originally Posted by Buzzy--Bee
Accents aside, one of the biggest things holding back New Zealand's further development is the attitude of it's people that it is already as developed as Australia, UK, US etc.
Mar 23rd 2011, 1:33 am
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Re: Kiwi's discrimination complaint upheld by Aussie tribunal
Originally Posted by Amazulu
No way, the Klingons have cloaking on their ships - what do the Clangers have? Not that I know who they are!
That's all any one needs.
Mar 23rd 2011, 1:34 am
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Re: Kiwi's discrimination complaint upheld by Aussie tribunal
Originally Posted by Amazulu
No way, the Klingons have cloaking on their ships - what do the Clangers have? Not that I know who they are!
Enjoy
Mar 23rd 2011, 1:34 am
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Re: Kiwi's discrimination complaint upheld by Aussie tribunal
Originally Posted by Dreamy
They have the Soup Dragon.
That's all any one needs.
That's all any one needs.
