Job: Dos and Donts by Consultants...
Jul 29th 2005, 2:52 pm
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Re: Job: Dos and Donts by Consultants...
Originally Posted by steve99
There's only one of us that needs any sort of training, and it certainly isnt me
Me thinks you need a damn sight more training in all aspects of recruitment.
Jul 29th 2005, 3:18 pm
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Re: Job: Dos and Donts by Consultants...
Originally Posted by Muzza04
Mr Know all who's entered into his new recruitment consultant role only 6 months ago....
Me thinks you need a damn sight more training in all aspects of recruitment.
Me thinks you need a damn sight more training in all aspects of recruitment.
1. Mr "been in OZ for 6 months and am a recruitment consultant"
2. Mr "never lived in OZ and never applied for a job in OZ"
Sorry Muzza, but a recruitment consultant who has only been in the role for 6 months (Steve99) is still heaps better than someone who has never lived or worked in OZ (A dogs life).
mmmmmmm ......... let me think ........ who am I gonna listen to ?
Jul 29th 2005, 3:22 pm
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Re: Job: Dos and Donts by Consultants...
Originally Posted by Vegemite Kids
2. Mr "never lived in OZ and never applied for a job in OZ"
Not that I could complain cos I haven't lived in Oz or applied for a job in Oz either.
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Jul 29th 2005, 3:35 pm
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Re: Job: Dos and Donts by Consultants...
Originally Posted by Vegemite Kids
well from my perspective there are 2 sides to the discussion .....
1. Mr "been in OZ for 6 months and am a recruitment consultant"
2. Mr "never lived in OZ and never applied for a job in OZ"
Sorry Muzza, but a recruitment consultant who has only been in the role for 6 months (Steve99) is still heaps better than someone who has never lived or worked in OZ (A dogs life).
mmmmmmm ......... let me think ........ who am I gonna listen to ?
1. Mr "been in OZ for 6 months and am a recruitment consultant"
2. Mr "never lived in OZ and never applied for a job in OZ"
Sorry Muzza, but a recruitment consultant who has only been in the role for 6 months (Steve99) is still heaps better than someone who has never lived or worked in OZ (A dogs life).
mmmmmmm ......... let me think ........ who am I gonna listen to ?
Mr " never Lived in Oz......" is not who I was referring to. It's Pandya m.
The 6 months young "recruitment consultant" is coming across as arrogant, when he doesnt even know the OPs background....
Nuff said
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Jul 29th 2005, 10:18 pm
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Re: Job: Dos and Donts by Consultants...
Originally Posted by cadman
Cheers mate. I was made redundant after 4 years on staff(during which I learned ***** all!), only job I could get was on contract, been blagging it ever since, see no reason to stop! I was going to go staff when I go to Oz but the more I thought about it, the more inclined I was to stay contract.
Better money, holidays when you want, as many as you want, don't like a firm/job etc.? just move a week later !!!
How do you work here? are you Ltd. company / composite company / PAYE through an agent? how are you going to work in OZ?
Cadman
Better money, holidays when you want, as many as you want, don't like a firm/job etc.? just move a week later !!!
How do you work here? are you Ltd. company / composite company / PAYE through an agent? how are you going to work in OZ?
Cadman
Jul 30th 2005, 12:47 pm
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Re: Job: Dos and Donts by Consultants...
Originally Posted by Vegemite Kids
heaps better than someone who has never lived or worked in OZ (A dogs life).
Are you confusing me with someone else? I've lived in Oz for a year and a half. I worked for the top australian bank for 4 years and one of the top consulting agencies in Oz.I've also been through the painful process of applying for jobs through agencies here, and know a bit about the process, and the crap they come out with. As does Mrs JTL.
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Jul 30th 2005, 2:08 pm
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Re: Job: Dos and Donts by Consultants...
Originally Posted by A dogs life
Errrr Are you confusing me with someone else? I've lived in Oz for a year and a half. I worked for the top australian bank for 4 years and one of the top consulting agencies in Oz.
I've also been through the painful process of applying for jobs through agencies here, and know a bit about the process, and the crap they come out with. As does Mrs JTL.
ADL (formerly JTL)
Are you confusing me with someone else? I've lived in Oz for a year and a half. I worked for the top australian bank for 4 years and one of the top consulting agencies in Oz.I've also been through the painful process of applying for jobs through agencies here, and know a bit about the process, and the crap they come out with. As does Mrs JTL.
ADL (formerly JTL)
hope that doesnt get held against me! By the way Mr Pandya, I think you are perfectly entitled to a moan, go for it my son so long as it makes you feel better!
All I can say is try to focus on a specific area and dont fill your CV up with too much. If so, you are in danger of tagging your self as a 'Jack of All Trades, master of none'. For example, I specialise in ETL and Datawarehousing but Ive done a lot of other things that I dont tend to include in my CV. I use them as conversation points at interview where relevant. My feelings are that IT now is such a broad topic that people need to focus their skills more and try to taylor the CV to the job you are going for. By the way, a good agent should make sure you do that before submitting your CV to an Employer....thats just pure common sense!
Appologies for the quality of my Scottsh and the absense of profanities such as "F*** aaf ya wee nyaff!","Got ony tabs ya bas" and the timeless "Gees 10p for a cupatee ya wee ******!"
Good luck in you hunt, you'll get somthing soon.
Jul 31st 2005, 12:29 am
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Re: Job: Dos and Donts by Consultants...
Originally Posted by A dogs life
Errrr Are you confusing me with someone else? I've lived in Oz for a year and a half. I worked for the top australian bank for 4 years and one of the top consulting agencies in Oz.
I've also been through the painful process of applying for jobs through agencies here, and know a bit about the process, and the crap they come out with. As does Mrs JTL.
ADL (formerly JTL)
Are you confusing me with someone else? I've lived in Oz for a year and a half. I worked for the top australian bank for 4 years and one of the top consulting agencies in Oz.I've also been through the painful process of applying for jobs through agencies here, and know a bit about the process, and the crap they come out with. As does Mrs JTL.
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Jul 31st 2005, 3:37 am
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Re: Job: Dos and Donts by Consultants...
Originally Posted by A dogs life
Oh lets see, attacking someone for their occasional mistake with english? Like growing up speaking english makes you some kind of f'ing expert?
Have you read his CV, it's pretty darn good. Sorry what was I thinking, recruitment agents cant be arsed reading CVs, way too busy for that.
Its nothing to do with culture. Its all do to with some lazy uneducated opinionated recruitment agents. Once your Hindi is up to the standard of Mukesh's English, we will talk again...
ADL
Have you read his CV, it's pretty darn good. Sorry what was I thinking, recruitment agents cant be arsed reading CVs, way too busy for that.
Its nothing to do with culture. Its all do to with some lazy uneducated opinionated recruitment agents. Once your Hindi is up to the standard of Mukesh's English, we will talk again...
ADL
Occasional mistake with English, you are definitely take the P with that one...
No I havent read his CV but as im sure you know anyone who cant read or write proper English can get someone else to do it for them. Plus a CV is pretty irrelevent when it comes to an interview and you cant communicate properly.
Im not in a country that speaks hindi, if I was and its was a pivotal part of my role I wouldnt come on a forum slagging of the people who are there to help you find work if I couldnt even speak the languauge properly.
Jul 31st 2005, 3:52 am
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Re: Job: Dos and Donts by Consultants...
Originally Posted by pandya_m
Of course you put an important point, but I would add something. I am writing in casual and we all do on these forums... I might be making mistakes in English eating up some words due to keyboard issues. This forum is meant to share and discuss and not let anyone down.
Ask yourself if you would have kept those spell checks and IT terminology aside, you can’t have got anything out of the posts... I think you took personal offence...!
Steve Boss, I should tell you one more thing. The no. of resumes you must have screened till date in 6 months (or 12 yrs) history of career, the double i must have screened and interviewed... I been constantly interacting and going to their client’s premises for discussions the companies you are desperate to make your own client(s). You would be glad to know I been couple of times to US for Business Visa. So don’t talk about interacting skills Gentleman unless you know the full background of a person and what he has done so far. Before leaving India I was offered a permanent position in US... So you better don’t comment on anyone’s skills...
I am proud that did not take that offer and came straight here in Melbourne to test my waters... So its time and not you to test my capability...
Steve you better not debate on the issue of someone’s background or English... I don’t mind listening any negative comments whatsoever from people like ABCDiamond, fireeater, fabie and many others. They had been encouraging about many people, providing valuable feedbacks and adding their valuable feedback on the forum. Think of you, I have not once but seen you again making a crap comment.
There are ways to put I can tell. Think of it don’t you feel you started on wrong note. You were invited to share your feelings and thoughts freely. But, the attitude which you carried was neither in humor not casual, rather sarcastic on an individual.
Good Luck boss, If i were had option I would have blocked you for your negative energy and signals sent.
At most I can do is to ignore you...
Ask yourself if you would have kept those spell checks and IT terminology aside, you can’t have got anything out of the posts... I think you took personal offence...!
Steve Boss, I should tell you one more thing. The no. of resumes you must have screened till date in 6 months (or 12 yrs) history of career, the double i must have screened and interviewed... I been constantly interacting and going to their client’s premises for discussions the companies you are desperate to make your own client(s). You would be glad to know I been couple of times to US for Business Visa. So don’t talk about interacting skills Gentleman unless you know the full background of a person and what he has done so far. Before leaving India I was offered a permanent position in US... So you better don’t comment on anyone’s skills...
I am proud that did not take that offer and came straight here in Melbourne to test my waters... So its time and not you to test my capability...
Steve you better not debate on the issue of someone’s background or English... I don’t mind listening any negative comments whatsoever from people like ABCDiamond, fireeater, fabie and many others. They had been encouraging about many people, providing valuable feedbacks and adding their valuable feedback on the forum. Think of you, I have not once but seen you again making a crap comment.
There are ways to put I can tell. Think of it don’t you feel you started on wrong note. You were invited to share your feelings and thoughts freely. But, the attitude which you carried was neither in humor not casual, rather sarcastic on an individual.
Good Luck boss, If i were had option I would have blocked you for your negative energy and signals sent.
At most I can do is to ignore you...
At the end of the day no matter what your opinion of recruitment consultants is, if you have the technical skills that are required for a specific role AND have the communication and personal attributes required in the environment that business operates in you, you should stand a good chance of being employed and only having to deal with US once.( we all win
)If either your tech/communication or personal skills arent up to the standard of other people you are competing against for a position you wont get the job and you'll have to deal with US a lot more. (we all agree we dont want that)
The more you deal with US unfortunately the worse you are as a candidate.
You are our stock or product, you should be sold first time and once every few years
, we shouldnt have to try and find 20 companies over a 3 month period to try and sell you to, if we do your no good as a product, we cant make you into something your not... We cant maintain a relationship with a client if we continually send them people that dont meet with there requirements.
There are normally numerous applicants with similar technical skill standards being put forward for each role, the differentiator (sp? ) is the individual, their personality and communication skills. If you dont get a role it is most likely because of this reason. And this was the point I was trying to make. If you cant communicate properly you might as well not apply.
Anyway, I think we've said all we need to say. I wish you well.
Steve
Jul 31st 2005, 3:59 am
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Re: Job: Dos and Donts by Consultants...
Originally Posted by Muzza04
Mr " never Lived in Oz......" is not who I was referring to. It's Pandya m.
The 6 months young "recruitment consultant" is coming across as arrogant, when he doesnt even know the OPs background....
Nuff said
Back to the beer
The 6 months young "recruitment consultant" is coming across as arrogant, when he doesnt even know the OPs background....
Nuff said
Back to the beer
I dont need to know his background, if he cant communicate properly its irrelevant. You dont get a job solely on technical merit im afraid...
I've recruited people in roles over the past 12 years, so whilst I dont profess to know everything about recruitment, I have a fair idea of how it all works.
Jul 31st 2005, 4:07 am
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Re: Job: Dos and Donts by Consultants...
Originally Posted by cadman
BTW - was that ok Steve? .
. Feel free to get in touch if you ever come to Perth, your comments come across as well constructed and you give the view that you are a strong communicator with a realistic understanding of how the recruitment process works (for all parties)
And yes, getting that first contract under your belt makes a whole heap of difference. You sort of pre-qualify yourself.
Steve
