steve99

No I didnt get offened (its offended) ... im just finding there are more and more individuals like you in IT who cant even grasp the English language properly yet they still write crap like this and find the time to try and blame someone else when they cant find work....

No you specialise in a specific area.

No I have worked in many different areas of IT for about 12years...
Maybe you are in year 9 at school???

There's only one of us that needs any sort of training, and it certainly isnt me
Understanding peoples minds... I must get on that training course, if there's any space left

You may of hoped that, but unfortunately the only thing you did manage to do was prove you dont have a proper grasp of the english language, and therefore highlight a reason why people might be finding it hard to deal/work with you.

Your right for a change, I cant understand that, im guessing your having a go at humour, but failing at that as well...

I would of hoped that you might of read through your post before hitting the submit button, but given that drivel you obviously didnt...

Thank you, I will try to, I just hope I dont get a heap of candidates like yourself applying for my roles, I'd be out of a job in seconds if I was foolish enough to put any of them forward to my clients.
That is a big relief to hear you wont be venturing over to Perth.

A dogs life

I see you've learnt your people skills as well as any other agent then

steve99

Fortunately there are plenty of people out there worth dealing with, unfortunately there are an increasing amount that arent....
All I can do is try to give constructive advice and hope people take it on board and learn from it.

A dogs life

My 'people skills' point remains...

There is telling people your opinion... and there is being a prick.

Funnily enough, I'm not that suprised you are an agent They are the most self-centered, heads up their own arses bunch of people I've had the misfortune of dealing with.

I literally had one the other day trying to talk me in to having his company represent me,when quite obviously it was in my, and the clients interest to apply direct.

steve99

And you could tell this about me how???


I've only moved into recruitment in the last 6months, so I know all about how crap some of them can be.
You tend to find that the companies that dont go through a panel generally dont for a reason....
Likewise you tend to find the candidates worth having a meaningfull working relationship with tend to be the ones that you keep in contact with and that are working none stop and are more than happy to do so through you.
Then there are others that think they know everything about everything and tend to just bad mouth people and jump on the blame culture when things dont go there way...

A dogs life

Oh lets see, attacking someone for their occasional mistake with english? Like growing up speaking english makes you some kind of f'ing expert?

Have you read his CV, it's pretty darn good. Sorry what was I thinking, recruitment agents cant be arsed reading CVs, way too busy for that.

Its nothing to do with culture. Its all do to with some lazy uneducated opinionated recruitment agents. Once your Hindi is up to the standard of Mukesh's English, we will talk again...

ADL

pandya_m

Of course you put an important point, but I would add something. I am writing in casual and we all do on these forums... I might be making mistakes in English eating up some words due to keyboard issues. This forum is meant to share and discuss and not let anyone down.
Ask yourself if you would have kept those spell checks and IT terminology aside, you can’t have got anything out of the posts... I think you took personal offence...!

Steve Boss, I should tell you one more thing. The no. of resumes you must have screened till date in 6 months (or 12 yrs) history of career, the double i must have screened and interviewed... I been constantly interacting and going to their client’s premises for discussions the companies you are desperate to make your own client(s). You would be glad to know I been couple of times to US for Business Visa. So don’t talk about interacting skills Gentleman unless you know the full background of a person and what he has done so far. Before leaving India I was offered a permanent position in US... So you better don’t comment on anyone’s skills...
I am proud that did not take that offer and came straight here in Melbourne to test my waters... So its time and not you to test my capability...

Steve you better not debate on the issue of someone’s background or English... I don’t mind listening any negative comments whatsoever from people like ABCDiamond, fireeater, fabie and many others. They had been encouraging about many people, providing valuable feedbacks and adding their valuable feedback on the forum. Think of you, I have not once but seen you again making a crap comment.
There are ways to put I can tell. Think of it don’t you feel you started on wrong note. You were invited to share your feelings and thoughts freely. But, the attitude which you carried was neither in humor not casual, rather sarcastic on an individual.
Good Luck boss, If i were had option I would have blocked you for your negative energy and signals sent.
At most I can do is to ignore you...

cadman

I'm a structural CAD drafter and have been employed on a contract basis for the last 12 years.
Like Steve said there are some good agents, some bad agents. In my game they all used to be ex drafters who moved into recruitment so they knew all about the industry (fair play, like steve with his 12 yrs exp.). These days there are more and more young lads / girls who don't know an engineer from a drafter.
They phone you up and say "we've got a job in X would you be interested?"
You say "ok, what's the rate?"
They say "er, not sure on that"
You say "how many hours a week?" - rate times no. of hours = amount of cash. I work 45, some places only do 40 so my rate x 45 is going to be more than the same rate x 40 hours. Simple maths.
They say "er, not sure on that, I think it's 40, or maybe 45?"
You say "what's the expected duration of the contract?"
They say.....well, you get the idea!

BTW - this is assuming they're not ringing you about a position at the firm you are already at!

As long as you remember they're in it to make money and you're in it to make money then it's cool. Don't trust them though cos they'd stiff their own mother if it meant making another 25p an hour out of you.

On the subject of money, I couldn't afford to go staff !!!!
I work here on a week to week contract, the terms of which are that either party can terminate the contract by giving a week's notice. You're right in saying that an agent won't get you a better job whilst you're working through them because if another job comes up then they will want to fill it with another candidate so then they'll be getting their commission of you and the new person whereas if they got you the other job, your job may be filled by someone provided by another agent which is fair enough. So, if you're in work with one agent and another job comes up with another agent you hand in your notice and switch to that agent.

One final thing, as with all contract jobs, the first few contracts are hard to get but as you progress, the agents get to know your name, hopefully hear good things from employers you've worked for when you've worked through them before etc. etc.
The hardest contract is the first contract.

Andy.

BTW - was that ok Steve? .

pandya_m

Perfect Andy... just Great!
I think you ans my question.
"either party can terminate the contract by giving a week's notice." Thats the ans I was looking for. Thanks for that.
May be I am a bit rigid on Permanent Roles (I was not aware of how contract works here). The agents asked me, but I said only looking at permanent options. But after your feedback, it seems going into contract is worth then watching TV and Old movies...
Well I would be frank, I always talk about technology and areas of exposure first then the money part. I usually say to the agents let them (employer) dictate the money I would dectate the best technical work. Thats how I been living since the day I started working. Money has never been the problem for me(not that I am born Howard Hughes), its the technical exposure that has created lot of fantasy for me...

Thanks for your valuable feedback. I am sure things will work out..

Amazulu

You sound like me, a natural born contractor! (I'm in engineering).

Staff jobs are for pussies!.

cadman

Cheers mate. I was made redundant after 4 years on staff(during which I learned ***** all!), only job I could get was on contract, been blagging it ever since, see no reason to stop! I was going to go staff when I go to Oz but the more I thought about it, the more inclined I was to stay contract.
Better money, holidays when you want, as many as you want, don't like a firm/job etc.? just move a week later !!!

How do you work here? are you Ltd. company / composite company / PAYE through an agent? how are you going to work in OZ?

Cadman

DagBoy

Ah yes - he can add the "Stupid" dimension

Cheers,

DagBoy

Vegemite Kids

My experience as both an employee having applied for jobs and an employer having hired people for jobs, is that the resume is worth Jackshit ! The really important document is the 'Statement against role criteria'. If this isnt properly done the whole application goes in the bin (and the resume -however good - isnt even read).

pandya_m

Taking the clue today talking to someone over phone...
I have prepared 18 different type of resume now... Just a press and go for respective jobs. I think I am learning now, Its never too late...

Vegemite Kids

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Please email / pm me. may have useful info for you.