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Old Jul 12th 2005, 3:19 am
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Default Howards latest message, work for the love of your country.

Howards new worker, doing it for the love not the money, I mean who needs a decent wage and work conditions

More workplace reforms in mind, I wonder when he says the worlds most productive economies he sees us all in asian sweatshops for $4 an hour.



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But he always sounds so depressed; kinda like a really sad hamster.

Actually, he reminds me of the original Holly from Red Dwarf.

Love the way that the article ends by discussing how things will affect journalists.


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But he always sounds so depressed; kinda like a really sad hamster.

Actually, he reminds me of the original Holly from Red Dwarf.

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I think he looks like Penfold from Dangermouse!
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But he always sounds so depressed; kinda like a really sad hamster.

Actually, he reminds me of the original Holly from Red Dwarf.

Love the way that the article ends by discussing how things will affect journalists.
From that it looks like the WA journalists will have to drop down to only 4 weeks annual leave, and get paid for the other two instead
He said it was his understanding that the journalists would still have the statutory minimum of four weeks' leave after they cashed out two weeks. "I've only read the report and I can say as a matter of principle that four weeks will be the standard and any cashing out will be entirely at the request of the employee."
 
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Thats alright then, because when those sweatshops (call centres, whatever) have taken all the jobs away and we're all at home dole-bludging watching the simpsons on Channel 10 it'll be great and we can all enjoy our pools and fishing more.

What he actually said is that China and India are great economic powers and they are progressively dominant in global economy - anyone in business can see that India and China are about to explode into the world markets - they are almost unstoppable in that respect. Its inevitable their population mass and low cost of living equate to mass movement of anything that can be done remotely ending up there. Its almost like the UK , everything went from spread around , then to scotland/newcastle (call centres) , now they're closing and that stuff is going to eastern europe , then they close and move to india soon it'll be china.

So we either sit round on award wages in protected jobs and wait 5 yrs to be made redundant because the economy collapses or we get real and encourage business to start and operate . Howard has also said categorically that protection from being fired for family responsibility, age, sex, etc, are all protected even in the sub 100 employees area.

What I guess these reforms really target & stop is the ability of those who dont or cannot perform in a job going after a sub 100 staff employer because he fires them for failure to perform.
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He also said:

The Prime Minister said last night that a large number of these enterprise workers understood businesses needed to be successful for their jobs to be safe.

It makes sense for a business to need to be successful, otherwise: no business = no employees = no wages
 
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He also said:

The Prime Minister said last night that a large number of these enterprise workers understood businesses needed to be successful for their jobs to be safe.

It makes sense for a business to need to be successful, otherwise: no business = no employees = no wages
As long as Australia has almost limitless iron ore and other minerals she will be in a good position. Trying to compete with India or China is a waste of time, unless you want to earn $5 a day.
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As long as Australia has almost limitless iron ore and other minerals she will be in a good position..
Not to mention frogs..... export these babies...

Scientist finds billion-dollar frog http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117...-13762,00.html
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Thats alright then, because when those sweatshops (call centres, whatever) have taken all the jobs away and we're all at home dole-bludging watching the simpsons on Channel 10 it'll be great and we can all enjoy our pools and fishing more.

What he actually said is that China and India are great economic powers and they are progressively dominant in global economy - anyone in business can see that India and China are about to explode into the world markets - they are almost unstoppable in that respect. Its inevitable their population mass and low cost of living equate to mass movement of anything that can be done remotely ending up there. Its almost like the UK , everything went from spread around , then to scotland/newcastle (call centres) , now they're closing and that stuff is going to eastern europe , then they close and move to india soon it'll be china.

So we either sit round on award wages in protected jobs and wait 5 yrs to be made redundant because the economy collapses or we get real and encourage business to start and operate . Howard has also said categorically that protection from being fired for family responsibility, age, sex, etc, are all protected even in the sub 100 employees area.

What I guess these reforms really target & stop is the ability of those who dont or cannot perform in a job going after a sub 100 staff employer because he fires them for failure to perform.
I have personally witnessed just how difficult it is here to get rid of employees who are woefully incompetent at their jobs, once they've got their foot under the table. Any moves to change that situation can only be a good thing. I largely agree with the points you make - shape up or be over run.
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Default Re: Howards latest message, work for the love of your country.

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Thats alright then, because when those sweatshops (call centres, whatever) have taken all the jobs away and we're all at home dole-bludging watching the simpsons on Channel 10 it'll be great and we can all enjoy our pools and fishing more.

What he actually said is that China and India are great economic powers and they are progressively dominant in global economy - anyone in business can see that India and China are about to explode into the world markets - they are almost unstoppable in that respect. Its inevitable their population mass and low cost of living equate to mass movement of anything that can be done remotely ending up there. Its almost like the UK , everything went from spread around , then to scotland/newcastle (call centres) , now they're closing and that stuff is going to eastern europe , then they close and move to india soon it'll be china.

So we either sit round on award wages in protected jobs and wait 5 yrs to be made redundant because the economy collapses or we get real and encourage business to start and operate . Howard has also said categorically that protection from being fired for family responsibility, age, sex, etc, are all protected even in the sub 100 employees area.

What I guess these reforms really target & stop is the ability of those who dont or cannot perform in a job going after a sub 100 staff employer because he fires them for failure to perform.
Now that they have gone deep into debt to aliens to build each other bigger houses and mineral exports have pushed up the $A so they are even less internationally competitive, I wonder what the city folk will do for entertainment from 9 to 5?
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Now that they have gone deep into debt to aliens to build each other bigger houses and mineral exports have pushed up the $A so they are even less internationally competitive, I wonder what the city folk will do for entertainment from 9 to 5?
When the foxtel subscription gets cancelled because of non-payment there is always standing around on street corners watching the animated ticker-prices of the petrol pumps synching with the oil-price fluctuations to bring back the memories of wealth and watching bloomberg.
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Now that they have gone deep into debt to aliens to build each other bigger houses and mineral exports have pushed up the $A so they are even less internationally competitive, I wonder what the city folk will do for entertainment from 9 to 5?

Take one of the countries casual jobs and see if the phone rings for a days work?
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Originally Posted by Geordie George
But he always sounds so depressed; kinda like a really sad hamster.

Actually, he reminds me of the original Holly from Red Dwarf.
PMSL!! you are so right

Sorry for the hijack on this serious thread
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Originally Posted by spalen
Thats alright then, because when those sweatshops (call centres, whatever) have taken all the jobs away and we're all at home dole-bludging watching the simpsons on Channel 10 it'll be great and we can all enjoy our pools and fishing more.

What he actually said is that China and India are great economic powers and they are progressively dominant in global economy - anyone in business can see that India and China are about to explode into the world markets - they are almost unstoppable in that respect. Its inevitable their population mass and low cost of living equate to mass movement of anything that can be done remotely ending up there. Its almost like the UK , everything went from spread around , then to scotland/newcastle (call centres) , now they're closing and that stuff is going to eastern europe , then they close and move to india soon it'll be china.

So we either sit round on award wages in protected jobs and wait 5 yrs to be made redundant because the economy collapses or we get real and encourage business to start and operate . Howard has also said categorically that protection from being fired for family responsibility, age, sex, etc, are all protected even in the sub 100 employees area.

What I guess these reforms really target & stop is the ability of those who dont or cannot perform in a job going after a sub 100 staff employer because he fires them for failure to perform.
Companies are making people redundant under the current system and IR is not about industry protection. That is another argument. Jobs are currently going from Australia to India and China. The reforms are about a centralised federal award wage system, not an abandonment of award wages. In theory it should mean fewer awards for a company to find their way around amidst the tens of thousands of state and federal awards. It may make compliance easier.

Companies under 100 people will be punishable if they unlawfully fire someone. There is debate going on about whether Howard is telling the truth on what a company will be able to fire someone on. Someone more familiar with unfair/unlawful dismissal differences maybe able to fill us in amid the propaganda generated by both sides.

Change is needed but it needs to be reasonable change across the board, not Dickensian conditions for those in companies under 100.

China and India are the new economic opportunities for the world, not just call centres.
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