View Poll Results: How long did you spend down under before deciding to migrate.
Spent more than 3 years in Oz before deciding
1
2.70%
Spent 2-3 years
4
10.81%
Spent 1-2years
3
8.11%
Spent less than a year (WHV, World Travel, Short Holiday)
29
78.38%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll
How long have you spent in Oz before deciding to Migrate....
#16
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Originally posted by stay or go ?
zero time spent in australia is less than 12 months, is it not ?
practical lines need to be drawn somewhere, otherwise there would be a poll 8 miles long.
zero time spent in australia is less than 12 months, is it not ?
practical lines need to be drawn somewhere, otherwise there would be a poll 8 miles long.
#17
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Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 7,613
Hey Stay or Go, why get het up at the idea of people emigrating to Aus without having been there first? It's not exactly a big deal to move back home after a few years if you don't like it enough to stay. There's loads of good material available (print, video, internet etc) to research Aus from afar - of course not as good as looking around Aus in person for a time but not such a bad way of deciding.
Would you consider someone moving from London to (say) Bristol under-researched if they just went there for a day and looked around town? I'm sure that's what a lot of intra-UK movers do, if they don't like it enough to stay they move someplace else.
With Australia, UK migrants at least know they have plenty in common with the new country, maybe not an exact copy of the UK but I suggest similarities exist:
language
culture
schooling
health care
countryside/ sea (you can find very similar parts to most of Europe including UK if you think about it)
food
outlook/ attitude
(there must be others).
Cheers - Dn
Would you consider someone moving from London to (say) Bristol under-researched if they just went there for a day and looked around town? I'm sure that's what a lot of intra-UK movers do, if they don't like it enough to stay they move someplace else.
With Australia, UK migrants at least know they have plenty in common with the new country, maybe not an exact copy of the UK but I suggest similarities exist:
language
culture
schooling
health care
countryside/ sea (you can find very similar parts to most of Europe including UK if you think about it)
food
outlook/ attitude
(there must be others).
Cheers - Dn
#18
thank p.s
how to disenfranchise people whilst giving them a democratic right to vote
question
when do you want to go into the euro-
1 today
2 one week
3 one month
vote now -you decide our future -your vote counts!!!
cheers
richard
how to disenfranchise people whilst giving them a democratic right to vote
question
when do you want to go into the euro-
1 today
2 one week
3 one month
vote now -you decide our future -your vote counts!!!
cheers
richard
#19
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Joined: Aug 2002
Location: Perth Arse end of the planet
Posts: 7,037
Originally posted by pleasancefamily
With Australia, UK migrants at least know they have plenty in common with the new country, maybe not an exact copy of the UK but I suggest similarities exist:
language
culture
schooling
health care
countryside/ sea (you can find very similar parts to most of Europe including UK if you think about it)
food
outlook/ attitude
(there must be others).
Cheers - Dn
With Australia, UK migrants at least know they have plenty in common with the new country, maybe not an exact copy of the UK but I suggest similarities exist:
language
culture
schooling
health care
countryside/ sea (you can find very similar parts to most of Europe including UK if you think about it)
food
outlook/ attitude
(there must be others).
Cheers - Dn
Countryside -depends where you are but the British countryside is why 22million visit the UK ,its unequalled anywhere in the world
Healthcare - only differance is cost
Food - more limited here supermarkets are half the size in Australia
Outlook/attitude - Australians are becoming American Clones without the same know how.
#20
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Posts: 7,613
I did say similarities, not an exact likeness. Yes, I have spent nearly 4 months in Australia, QLD and Sydney, but not in that tropical paradise Perth.
To answer your question, just ask yourself which country Australia is most similar to re: the attributes I mentioned:
UK, or
USA, France, Germany, Italy, in fact all the EU 15, all the Central and East European countries, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, in fact all the Arabic countries, Russia...etc, OK the whole world.
(Note I did not include Canada, NZ as being more similar to UK than Australia...)
Cheers - Don
To answer your question, just ask yourself which country Australia is most similar to re: the attributes I mentioned:
UK, or
USA, France, Germany, Italy, in fact all the EU 15, all the Central and East European countries, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, in fact all the Arabic countries, Russia...etc, OK the whole world.
(Note I did not include Canada, NZ as being more similar to UK than Australia...)
Cheers - Don
#21
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Location: Perth Arse end of the planet
Posts: 7,037
Originally posted by pleasancefamily
I did say similarities, not an exact likeness. Yes, I have spent nearly 4 months in Australia, QLD and Sydney, but not in that tropical paradise Perth.
To answer your question, just ask yourself which country Australia is most similar to re: the attributes I mentioned:
UK, or
USA, France, Germany, Italy, in fact all the EU 15, all the Central and East European countries, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, in fact all the Arabic countries, Russia...etc, OK the whole world.
(Note I did not include Canada, NZ as being more similar to UK than Australia...)
Cheers - Don
I did say similarities, not an exact likeness. Yes, I have spent nearly 4 months in Australia, QLD and Sydney, but not in that tropical paradise Perth.
To answer your question, just ask yourself which country Australia is most similar to re: the attributes I mentioned:
UK, or
USA, France, Germany, Italy, in fact all the EU 15, all the Central and East European countries, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, in fact all the Arabic countries, Russia...etc, OK the whole world.
(Note I did not include Canada, NZ as being more similar to UK than Australia...)
Cheers - Don
#22
Originally posted by pommie bastard
Outlook/attitude - Australians are becoming American Clones without the same know how.
Outlook/attitude - Australians are becoming American Clones without the same know how.
#23
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Joined: Aug 2002
Location: Perth Arse end of the planet
Posts: 7,037
Originally posted by renth
You'll find the same has happened in the South East of England too.
You'll find the same has happened in the South East of England too.
#24
p.s yes england is indeed the best country in the world -
I've always said that if the sun shone like it did in oz then we wouldn't have 60 million here we would have 600 million!!
however it doesn't and it never will and when it doesn't it's a shite place to be!!
at the moment it's cold dark damp and bloody miserable...
in all honesty i would pop back for a stay before you packed up and headded home
a schoolfriend of mine came back from sydney (missing basingstoke for christsake!!! ) ....and couldn't wait to get back to the warm..
come back and see what is here because our memories are very poor at remembering the bad things
e.g how many times do we hear-"it never snows at christmas like it did when I was a kid"
however in the last century we had only 7 white christmases so that is a delusion but we like to hold onto because it makes us feel nice..
cheers
richard
I've always said that if the sun shone like it did in oz then we wouldn't have 60 million here we would have 600 million!!
however it doesn't and it never will and when it doesn't it's a shite place to be!!
at the moment it's cold dark damp and bloody miserable...
in all honesty i would pop back for a stay before you packed up and headded home
a schoolfriend of mine came back from sydney (missing basingstoke for christsake!!! ) ....and couldn't wait to get back to the warm..
come back and see what is here because our memories are very poor at remembering the bad things
e.g how many times do we hear-"it never snows at christmas like it did when I was a kid"
however in the last century we had only 7 white christmases so that is a delusion but we like to hold onto because it makes us feel nice..
cheers
richard
#25
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Joined: Sep 2002
Location: Paris
Posts: 835
Originally posted by pleasancefamily
I did say similarities, not an exact likeness. Yes, I have spent nearly 4 months in Australia, QLD and Sydney, but not in that tropical paradise Perth.
To answer your question, just ask yourself which country Australia is most similar to re: the attributes I mentioned:
UK, or
USA, France, Germany, Italy, in fact all the EU 15, all the Central and East European countries, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, in fact all the Arabic countries, Russia...etc, OK the whole world.
(Note I did not include Canada, NZ as being more similar to UK than Australia...)
Cheers - Don
I did say similarities, not an exact likeness. Yes, I have spent nearly 4 months in Australia, QLD and Sydney, but not in that tropical paradise Perth.
To answer your question, just ask yourself which country Australia is most similar to re: the attributes I mentioned:
UK, or
USA, France, Germany, Italy, in fact all the EU 15, all the Central and East European countries, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, in fact all the Arabic countries, Russia...etc, OK the whole world.
(Note I did not include Canada, NZ as being more similar to UK than Australia...)
Cheers - Don
#26
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Thread Starter
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 213
Richard - sorry, but what a croc of shite. that is the worst comparison i have ever come across. if your longest time limit was say "12months or more", then it would bear some similarity.
Pommie Sheila - zero and eleven are both less than 12. Sorry, thats numerics for you. we can get into qualitative vs quantitative arguements about whether 11months on the piss in sydney is the same as never having come over etc etc until the cows come home.Also, it is YOUR opinion that the poll loses all credibility or whatever it was you said. errrr...no it doesnt, because the poll was written to satisfy my curiosity and nobody elses - so long as that criteria is reached, it is a successful poll.
if you disagree with the way i put this poll together, then you have a number of options really:
1) dont vote on it
2) create your own in your own Polling Nirvana image
nobody forced you to read / vote on this.
i didnt put this together with any criteria other than the satisfaction of my curiosity - notice, there is no Null Hypothesis that i am trying to prove / disprove. I dont get "all het up" about how long or how short an amount of time people have spent in Oz prior to migrating - I couldnt give a toss to be honest, i have my permanent residency, i attend this forum to give what little advice and help i can offer as someone who has been on a Temp 457, gone through the Skilled Independet process without an agent, and generally migrated over here - not to be "heckled".
my curiosity is satisfied, if anyone else decides they wish to make a better poll to prove something they want to prove, be my guest, that is your right.
for those who answered in the spirit the poll was meant - thank you.
for the rest - do i really care what your opinion is ?
HAVE A GUESS....?
Pommie Sheila - zero and eleven are both less than 12. Sorry, thats numerics for you. we can get into qualitative vs quantitative arguements about whether 11months on the piss in sydney is the same as never having come over etc etc until the cows come home.Also, it is YOUR opinion that the poll loses all credibility or whatever it was you said. errrr...no it doesnt, because the poll was written to satisfy my curiosity and nobody elses - so long as that criteria is reached, it is a successful poll.
if you disagree with the way i put this poll together, then you have a number of options really:
1) dont vote on it
2) create your own in your own Polling Nirvana image
nobody forced you to read / vote on this.
i didnt put this together with any criteria other than the satisfaction of my curiosity - notice, there is no Null Hypothesis that i am trying to prove / disprove. I dont get "all het up" about how long or how short an amount of time people have spent in Oz prior to migrating - I couldnt give a toss to be honest, i have my permanent residency, i attend this forum to give what little advice and help i can offer as someone who has been on a Temp 457, gone through the Skilled Independet process without an agent, and generally migrated over here - not to be "heckled".
my curiosity is satisfied, if anyone else decides they wish to make a better poll to prove something they want to prove, be my guest, that is your right.
for those who answered in the spirit the poll was meant - thank you.
for the rest - do i really care what your opinion is ?
HAVE A GUESS....?
Last edited by stay or go ?; Dec 13th 2002 at 2:09 am.
#28
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Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 298
Originally posted by stay or go ?
Richard - sorry, but what a croc of shite. that is the worst comparison i have ever come across. if your longest time limit was say "12months or more", then it would bear some similarity.
Pommie Sheila - zero and eleven are both less than 12. Sorry, thats numerics for you. we can get into qualitative vs quantitative arguements about whether 11months on the piss in sydney is the same as never having come over etc etc until the cows come home.Also, it is YOUR opinion that the poll loses all credibility or whatever it was you said. errrr...no it doesnt, because the poll was written to satisfy my curiosity and nobody elses - so long as that criteria is reached, it is a successful poll.
if you disagree with the way i put this poll together, then you have a number of options really:
1) dont vote on it
2) create your own in your own Polling Nirvana image
nobody forced you to read / vote on this.
i didnt put this together with any criteria other than the satisfaction of my curiosity - notice, there is no Null Hypothesis that i am trying to prove / disprove. I dont get "all het up" about how long or how short an amount of time people have spent in Oz prior to migrating - I couldnt give a toss to be honest, i have my permanent residency, i attend this forum to give what little advice and help i can offer as someone who has been on a Temp 457, gone through the Skilled Independet process without an agent, and generally migrated over here - not to be "heckled".
my curiosity is satisfied, if anyone else decides they wish to make a better poll to prove something they want to prove, be my guest, that is your right.
for those who answered in the spirit the poll was meant - thank you.
for the rest - do i really care what your opinion is ?
HAVE A GUESS....?
Richard - sorry, but what a croc of shite. that is the worst comparison i have ever come across. if your longest time limit was say "12months or more", then it would bear some similarity.
Pommie Sheila - zero and eleven are both less than 12. Sorry, thats numerics for you. we can get into qualitative vs quantitative arguements about whether 11months on the piss in sydney is the same as never having come over etc etc until the cows come home.Also, it is YOUR opinion that the poll loses all credibility or whatever it was you said. errrr...no it doesnt, because the poll was written to satisfy my curiosity and nobody elses - so long as that criteria is reached, it is a successful poll.
if you disagree with the way i put this poll together, then you have a number of options really:
1) dont vote on it
2) create your own in your own Polling Nirvana image
nobody forced you to read / vote on this.
i didnt put this together with any criteria other than the satisfaction of my curiosity - notice, there is no Null Hypothesis that i am trying to prove / disprove. I dont get "all het up" about how long or how short an amount of time people have spent in Oz prior to migrating - I couldnt give a toss to be honest, i have my permanent residency, i attend this forum to give what little advice and help i can offer as someone who has been on a Temp 457, gone through the Skilled Independet process without an agent, and generally migrated over here - not to be "heckled".
my curiosity is satisfied, if anyone else decides they wish to make a better poll to prove something they want to prove, be my guest, that is your right.
for those who answered in the spirit the poll was meant - thank you.
for the rest - do i really care what your opinion is ?
HAVE A GUESS....?
I only made the point that spending 11 months in Australia ia NOT the same as never having been - that is a FACT. The two are incomparable.
#29
Forum Regular
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 298
Originally posted by stay or go ?
Richard - sorry, but what a croc of shite. that is the worst comparison i have ever come across. if your longest time limit was say "12months or more", then it would bear some similarity.
Pommie Sheila - zero and eleven are both less than 12. Sorry, thats numerics for you. we can get into qualitative vs quantitative arguements about whether 11months on the piss in sydney is the same as never having come over etc etc until the cows come home.Also, it is YOUR opinion that the poll loses all credibility or whatever it was you said. errrr...no it doesnt, because the poll was written to satisfy my curiosity and nobody elses - so long as that criteria is reached, it is a successful poll.
if you disagree with the way i put this poll together, then you have a number of options really:
1) dont vote on it
2) create your own in your own Polling Nirvana image
nobody forced you to read / vote on this.
i didnt put this together with any criteria other than the satisfaction of my curiosity - notice, there is no Null Hypothesis that i am trying to prove / disprove. I dont get "all het up" about how long or how short an amount of time people have spent in Oz prior to migrating - I couldnt give a toss to be honest, i have my permanent residency, i attend this forum to give what little advice and help i can offer as someone who has been on a Temp 457, gone through the Skilled Independet process without an agent, and generally migrated over here - not to be "heckled".
my curiosity is satisfied, if anyone else decides they wish to make a better poll to prove something they want to prove, be my guest, that is your right.
for those who answered in the spirit the poll was meant - thank you.
for the rest - do i really care what your opinion is ?
HAVE A GUESS....?
Richard - sorry, but what a croc of shite. that is the worst comparison i have ever come across. if your longest time limit was say "12months or more", then it would bear some similarity.
Pommie Sheila - zero and eleven are both less than 12. Sorry, thats numerics for you. we can get into qualitative vs quantitative arguements about whether 11months on the piss in sydney is the same as never having come over etc etc until the cows come home.Also, it is YOUR opinion that the poll loses all credibility or whatever it was you said. errrr...no it doesnt, because the poll was written to satisfy my curiosity and nobody elses - so long as that criteria is reached, it is a successful poll.
if you disagree with the way i put this poll together, then you have a number of options really:
1) dont vote on it
2) create your own in your own Polling Nirvana image
nobody forced you to read / vote on this.
i didnt put this together with any criteria other than the satisfaction of my curiosity - notice, there is no Null Hypothesis that i am trying to prove / disprove. I dont get "all het up" about how long or how short an amount of time people have spent in Oz prior to migrating - I couldnt give a toss to be honest, i have my permanent residency, i attend this forum to give what little advice and help i can offer as someone who has been on a Temp 457, gone through the Skilled Independet process without an agent, and generally migrated over here - not to be "heckled".
my curiosity is satisfied, if anyone else decides they wish to make a better poll to prove something they want to prove, be my guest, that is your right.
for those who answered in the spirit the poll was meant - thank you.
for the rest - do i really care what your opinion is ?
HAVE A GUESS....?
#30
yes he is in a bit of trouble over this...
cheers
richard
p.s god i hope he isn't going to adelaide...
cheers
richard
p.s god i hope he isn't going to adelaide...