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Old Feb 10th 2006, 11:03 pm
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I've written this post so that all you sparkys waiting to come over to Oz are aware of what you may have to do to become fully licensed so that you can get work as an electrician.

I did an electical apprenticeship in the early 80s and have only ever worked as an electrician of one form or another(mostly industrial).
Soon after arriving in Australia I got work as a Trades Assistant with a local contracting firm. They told me that I needed both an Electrical Mechanics Licence and an Electrical Fitters licence before they could employ me as an Electrician. I was told the same by a sawmills that wanted to employ me as an Industrial electrician but couldn't because they required me to have both too.

When I applied for recognition for the purposes of migration the only likely choice I could make was Electrician Special Class (which I chose because I have mainly industrial experience) or General Electrician (which is more for Domestic/Commercial electricians skilled in installation work).
However when you actually get to Australia you are required to gain an ARTC but there isn't an ARTC for an Electrician Special Class or for a General Electrician. You are either an Electrical Mechanic or an Electrical Fitter. I believe there are other ARTC professions such as Linesman but for the most part the trades are Mechanics or Fitters.

I was assessed as being an Electrical Fitter by the TRA. I am not sure but I believe it would have been easier if I had been assessed as an Electrical Mechanic.

There are 3 main Electrical Licences in Queensland, 1 - Electrical Mechanic, 2 - Electrical Fitter, 3 - Electrical Contractor.

Although most people regard TRA recognition as the major hurdle (which it probably is) it is actually the quickest. The licence process is very drawn out, tedious and expensive. Don't let this put you off though, I'm just telling it how it is. Well this is how it has been for me in Queensland since arriving last April.

May 2005 - Attend at TRA office to show original trade certificates and pay the fee which I believe was $100. The TRA office is in Brisbane so I have pay the travelling costs to get there. I have heard that they have recently moved to Melbourne so I wonder if I would be required to fly down there just to present my trade certificates.

Early July 2005 - Wait approximately 3 weeks until my Australian Recognised Trade Certificate(ARTC) turns up.

Fill in a licence application form for overseas applicants. Oh another fee of $50. Also before I could post it off I had to have a current CPR course certificate, cost of this course was £100. Plus of course the time involved in locating a course and then the wait time until I could take it. So now I can send the application off.

Late July 2005 - About 3 weeks later an Electrical Workers Permit to work under supervision arrives along with information about the Colleges I can attend to take the assessment I need to take and pass in order to be awarded with an Electrical Fitters licence. Only problem is the information about the Colleges doesn't arrive so I have to phone up to find out where I have to go. Armed with this information I phone the nearest designated College and they invite me to pay the $499 dollars for the assessment.

August 2005 - Once I have gone and paid the fee I then have to phone the College back whereupon they invite me in to the College for an interview. At the interview they want to see my proof of payment for the assessment course, Electrical Workers Training Permit to work under supervision, ARTC, etc. They give me a work book lashed together from the Electical Mechanics Licence Assessment course - Its a question and answers book, mostly about the Wiring Rules and Code of Practice document. The questions and answers didn't actually match up half the time and some of the pages aren't in numerical order.
I am told to work through the book and then contact the College once I am ready to take the assessment. So over the next 3 months I work through the book. It took me so long as I was working hard every week during this time and found it quite hard to sit down and study for any longer than an hour in the evenings.

Early November 2005 - When I phoned up the College they arranged a day the following week for me to go in. I did the assessment on my own, it took all day and consisted of a 3 hour written exam in the morning followed by a practical in the afternoon.
The written exam was NOT multi-choice and was about Wiring Rules and Codes of Practice. In the practical I had to Isolate a machine Carry out some basic tests (Earth continuity, insulation, polarity) and then put the machine back in service. I also had to wire up a DOL starter including running lamp, trip lamp through overload. The practical wasn't at all difficult really, some of the written questions were a little tricky. At the end of the day I am told I have passed my assessment and now need to wait until the College have sent the paperwork to the electrical licencing authority.

I wait until the beginning of the next week and phone to ask the College if they have forwarded the paperwork which they confirm. I then send off my Licence application with the appropriate forms. Luckily I don't have to pay another fee as it's less than 6 months since I sent in my application for a Permit to work under supervision. Around 3 weeks later my Electrical Fitters Licence turns up in the post in the form of a Credit Card size card.

Early December 2005 - Now I have to go through the same procedure for the Electrical Mechanics licence. I pay the fee for the Electrical Mechanics licence which is $850 - this game is getting really expensive as thats way more than I take home in a week.

Once I pay the fee I phone up the College to go in for another interview so that they can give me my new work book. I phoned up in the first week in December and the guy I speak to says that it's their last day and that they can't see me until January 24th at the earliest. So even though they have taken $850 from me I can't start studying yet for nearly 2 months. A couple of weeks ago I managed to get in for an interview and to collect my new work book. It's over 350 A4 sized pages of mostly questions and answers with some instructional text. I don't actually attend college for any instruction, its all self taught from the book. That $850 pays for the text book which is very home made and a one day assessment.

Anyway at the moment I am on page 30 of the text book and I'm trying to get in about 10 hours study a week.

I've been in Australia 10 months and am still unable to get employment as an Electrician. I need those licences; one down one to get. Maybe two to get if I go for the contractors licence too. On the up side there is plenty of electrical work and you can get work as a Trades Assistant quite easily. Good luck and if anyone has any questions I can answer then I'll try to if I can find time between studying,working and family life.
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Thanks for that.

OH is an Electrician, so we've all this to come.
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Welcome to Queensland!

The SMART state!!

The state of "Jobs for the (aussie) boys"

where its a case of we don't care what qualifications and experience you had abroad, it counts for sod all here....unless you're prepared to pay for this license test and that license course and this assessment course and that one.......it just goes on and on!!!!. And all I'm after is a RESTRICTED electrical license!!!!!!

But I will get it!
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can't believe this, but wrote a reply to your message but somehow f***ed up in submitting in between preview/spell check and lost the lot. (pretty good as well, alcohol helps with encouragement and advice)

All I can say is credit to you resilliance and determination. You WILL get there, it sounds like you have worked your b****cks off, you may not see the light yet but for all your work it will all come right for you.

No stopping you then my son!!!!!!!!!!!!!

( I am an industrial electrician and not in Oz just yet but hoping for novemberish, anyway had a few beers tonight feeling good and just watching legendary pink floyd stuff on 50'' plasma)

love you all lots
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Originally Posted by migrantoz
I've written this post so that all you sparkys waiting to come over to Oz are aware of what you may have to do to become fully licensed so that you can get work as an electrician.

I did an electical apprenticeship in the early 80s and have only ever worked as an electrician of one form or another(mostly industrial).
Soon after arriving in Australia I got work as a Trades Assistant with a local contracting firm. They told me that I needed both an Electrical Mechanics Licence and an Electrical Fitters licence before they could employ me as an Electrician. I was told the same by a sawmills that wanted to employ me as an Industrial electrician but couldn't because they required me to have both too.

When I applied for recognition for the purposes of migration the only likely choice I could make was Electrician Special Class (which I chose because I have mainly industrial experience) or General Electrician (which is more for Domestic/Commercial electricians skilled in installation work).
However when you actually get to Australia you are required to gain an ARTC but there isn't an ARTC for an Electrician Special Class or for a General Electrician. You are either an Electrical Mechanic or an Electrical Fitter. I believe there are other ARTC professions such as Linesman but for the most part the trades are Mechanics or Fitters.

I was assessed as being an Electrical Fitter by the TRA. I am not sure but I believe it would have been easier if I had been assessed as an Electrical Mechanic.

There are 3 main Electrical Licences in Queensland, 1 - Electrical Mechanic, 2 - Electrical Fitter, 3 - Electrical Contractor.

Although most people regard TRA recognition as the major hurdle (which it probably is) it is actually the quickest. The licence process is very drawn out, tedious and expensive. Don't let this put you off though, I'm just telling it how it is. Well this is how it has been for me in Queensland since arriving last April.

May 2005 - Attend at TRA office to show original trade certificates and pay the fee which I believe was $100. The TRA office is in Brisbane so I have pay the travelling costs to get there. I have heard that they have recently moved to Melbourne so I wonder if I would be required to fly down there just to present my trade certificates.

Early July 2005 - Wait approximately 3 weeks until my Australian Recognised Trade Certificate(ARTC) turns up.

Fill in a licence application form for overseas applicants. Oh another fee of $50. Also before I could post it off I had to have a current CPR course certificate, cost of this course was £100. Plus of course the time involved in locating a course and then the wait time until I could take it. So now I can send the application off.

Late July 2005 - About 3 weeks later an Electrical Workers Permit to work under supervision arrives along with information about the Colleges I can attend to take the assessment I need to take and pass in order to be awarded with an Electrical Fitters licence. Only problem is the information about the Colleges doesn't arrive so I have to phone up to find out where I have to go. Armed with this information I phone the nearest designated College and they invite me to pay the $499 dollars for the assessment.

August 2005 - Once I have gone and paid the fee I then have to phone the College back whereupon they invite me in to the College for an interview. At the interview they want to see my proof of payment for the assessment course, Electrical Workers Training Permit to work under supervision, ARTC, etc. They give me a work book lashed together from the Electical Mechanics Licence Assessment course - Its a question and answers book, mostly about the Wiring Rules and Code of Practice document. The questions and answers didn't actually match up half the time and some of the pages aren't in numerical order.
I am told to work through the book and then contact the College once I am ready to take the assessment. So over the next 3 months I work through the book. It took me so long as I was working hard every week during this time and found it quite hard to sit down and study for any longer than an hour in the evenings.

Early November 2005 - When I phoned up the College they arranged a day the following week for me to go in. I did the assessment on my own, it took all day and consisted of a 3 hour written exam in the morning followed by a practical in the afternoon.
The written exam was NOT multi-choice and was about Wiring Rules and Codes of Practice. In the practical I had to Isolate a machine Carry out some basic tests (Earth continuity, insulation, polarity) and then put the machine back in service. I also had to wire up a DOL starter including running lamp, trip lamp through overload. The practical wasn't at all difficult really, some of the written questions were a little tricky. At the end of the day I am told I have passed my assessment and now need to wait until the College have sent the paperwork to the electrical licencing authority.

I wait until the beginning of the next week and phone to ask the College if they have forwarded the paperwork which they confirm. I then send off my Licence application with the appropriate forms. Luckily I don't have to pay another fee as it's less than 6 months since I sent in my application for a Permit to work under supervision. Around 3 weeks later my Electrical Fitters Licence turns up in the post in the form of a Credit Card size card.

Early December 2005 - Now I have to go through the same procedure for the Electrical Mechanics licence. I pay the fee for the Electrical Mechanics licence which is $850 - this game is getting really expensive as thats way more than I take home in a week.

Once I pay the fee I phone up the College to go in for another interview so that they can give me my new work book. I phoned up in the first week in December and the guy I speak to says that it's their last day and that they can't see me until January 24th at the earliest. So even though they have taken $850 from me I can't start studying yet for nearly 2 months. A couple of weeks ago I managed to get in for an interview and to collect my new work book. It's over 350 A4 sized pages of mostly questions and answers with some instructional text. I don't actually attend college for any instruction, its all self taught from the book. That $850 pays for the text book which is very home made and a one day assessment.

Anyway at the moment I am on page 30 of the text book and I'm trying to get in about 10 hours study a week.

I've been in Australia 10 months and am still unable to get employment as an Electrician. I need those licences; one down one to get. Maybe two to get if I go for the contractors licence too. On the up side there is plenty of electrical work and you can get work as a Trades Assistant quite easily. Good luck and if anyone has any questions I can answer then I'll try to if I can find time between studying,working and family life.
Good grief fella. Good luck and well done for all your hard work so far. I'm aiming for Perth. Thanks for the feedback

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Welcome to Queensland!

The SMART state!!

The state of "Jobs for the (aussie) boys"


I think youll find they have to go through crap too, son 1, aussie citizen electrical apprentice,

600 applicants 12 jobs,

need a university entrance type pass mark from high school,

5 month interview process,

3 interviews,

2 exams,

one medical.

Commence 4 years of study on apprentice wage while providing own car, petrol, tools etc.

Be prepared to work anywhere in QLD they want to send you.

Be on 24 hour call out for storms, cyclones etc.
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looks like loads of fun

thanks for the info mate i`m a sparkie and i`ll be heading out your way later on this year,

best regards steve
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can i ask a question here i hope someone will answer,

my oh is an sparkie and when we have been looking at the jobs in the job shops in aus there they never mention wages or salary.

can anyone tell me what the expected or average wage for an electrician is on a basic week?

and is it possible to start all these new exams and tests before we come out?

many thanks for any replies in advance...jayne.
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can i ask a question here i hope someone will answer,

my oh is an sparkie and when we have been looking at the jobs in the job shops in aus there they never mention wages or salary.

can anyone tell me what the expected or average wage for an electrician is on a basic week?

and is it possible to start all these new exams and tests before we come out?

many thanks for any replies in advance...jayne.
is it possible to start all these new exams and tests before we come out?
unfortunately no
pm me your email address and i`ll send over the Adelaide skilled certificate pdf`s for your perusal

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Australian apprentices do have a rough time. We have a first year apprentice who is 20 years old. His take home pay equates to £6 an hour and for that he is expected to do digs holes and climb through roofs in baking hot weather. So am I but even I a mere Trade Assistant, get more than that. Unsurprisingly the apprentice is applying to join the Army as an apprentice as he'll get better pay and get to travel. Although I think he may have to wait for the travel until his apprenticeship is complete.

As far as pay goes for Electricians it seems around here(Sunshine Coast) to range between $23-$30 per hour so I'm guessing around $600 to $800 basic take home pay.

I had hoped to be able to start studying for my licences before emigrating but when I emailed TRA they told me I couldn't do a thing until I arrived out here.
About the only thing you could do is get hold of a copy of the AS/NZS 3000.2000 Wiring Rules and start reading but you'd have to be pretty disciplined to do that; Its one hell of a boring read.

Look up Multiple Earth Neutral(MEN) systems and get your head around that.
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Australian apprentices do have a rough time. We have a first year apprentice who is 20 years old. His take home pay equates to £6 an hour and for that he is expected to do digs holes and climb through roofs in baking hot weather. So am I but even I a mere Trade Assistant, get more than that. Unsurprisingly the apprentice is applying to join the Army as an apprentice as he'll get better pay and get to travel. Although I think he may have to wait for the travel until his apprenticeship is complete.

As far as pay goes for Electricians it seems around here(Sunshine Coast) to range between $23-$30 per hour so I'm guessing around $600 to $800 basic take home pay.

I had hoped to be able to start studying for my licences before emigrating but when I emailed TRA they told me I couldn't do a thing until I arrived out here.
About the only thing you could do is get hold of a copy of the AS/NZS 3000.2000 Wiring Rules and start reading but you'd have to be pretty disciplined to do that; Its one hell of a boring read.

Look up Multiple Earth Neutral(MEN) systems and get your head around that.
thanks for the info re wages
what do mean about getting your head around men
i assume its the same as pme tnc-s supplies in the uk yeah?

thanks steve
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thanks for the info re wages
what do mean about getting your head around men
i assume its the same as pme tnc-s supplies in the uk yeah?

thanks steve
thats how understand it
have got to about page 35-40 out of 294. but hay it's a riveting read
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thats how understand it
have got to about page 35-40 out of 294. but hay it's a riveting read
Quite enjoying it meself

Always was one for regs tho!!

They ain't that different from ours tho.

More over here!!
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Quite enjoying it meself

Always was one for regs tho!!

They ain't that different from ours tho.

More over here!!
thats what I've worked out so far, some of the terminology is different but with a little common sense you know what is meant.
they have actually used BS7671 as a module for there regs amongst one or two others.
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