ozzieeagle

Aldi will win that battle by around 20pct at least.




As for Coles v Woolworths, I couldn't hazard a guess, except there will be less than 3pct in it. Oh and IGA would be at least 10pct dearer than both of them.


What a great site though. London Salaries and Melbourne just about on par, who'd have "thunk" it, certainly not me.

Beoz

I would have. It's not about salaries, its about what you need to live.

I always thought Sydney wins financially over London any day based on what's left over in the bank account each month as a proportion of your income is far greater in Sydney than it is in London. Melbourne would probably be a bit more.

The 3 big numbers are salary, cost of rent or cost of mortgage. The rest swings in roundabouts. London has lower salaries and higher rents or mortgages than both Sydney and Melbourne.

the troubadour

London can certainly be higher earning, but then it is not all about money is it? Even if earning less than Sydney, the experience of living in a world city, far out weighs that available in Sydney, for some at any rate.

Beoz

Lived for many years on multiple occasions in both cities. Both cities are awesome and have very different appeals but do share the busy city vibe.

For the 20 somethings I prefer London but I see the 20 somethings kicking around Manly and Bondi having a blast. For young families Sydney wins hands down largely due to the all round ability to be outside.

For money, unless you are a hedge fund manager or something that requires you to be in Europe's financial capital, Sydney is generally paying more when you pitch it against COL.

Just my 2 cents worth of being a Sydney London ping ponger.

the troubadour

These days I would probable tend to agree with the above. London is certainly a young person's city or one for the very well minted.


So sad. It wasn't always like that, I still recall when London was largely a working class city, often rated as the 'poorest dressed' in certain quarters in Europe. The 'easiness' and 'relaxed' demeanour of that city was 'lost' during the eighties until we arrived at the type of city that replaced that and in evidence today.






Better off trying Berlin these days, while it still lasts, as change towards something 'less inclusive' appears to be in process there.

Beoz

The 80's 30-40 years ago?

None the less, London is still very much working class.

old.sparkles

So working class = vote labour?

Anyway, todays state of the states : https://www.commsec.com.au/content/d..._April2018.pdf

Beoz

I do love a book full of stats Old Sparkles, but how does a the state of the Australian states, relate to London?

But you ask about working class = vote labour. Isn't that what the traditions of the Labor party were, one for the workers?

Of course there is a closing policy gap between all the major parties these days, but that London map does give a pretty good indication where workers plant themselves in London.

the troubadour

I'm afraid London doesn't work like that. While Red may have voted Labour, it is not suggestive of 'working class'. London has long been a bastion of tolerance and acceptance with the educated and even privileged. not at all Tory voters.
I was living there in 92 when one of the richest boroughs in London, Hampstead voted Socialist. It was a great celebration when the left won, and a big no to the horrible thatcher years.
No working class that I'm aware in Hampstead, as such although to the West there are.
If anything it would be the working class, the equivalent in Australia of Tony's tradies (white van man) that was more likely to vote Tory. They were bought of course, but another matter. Just wanted to clear up a Labour vote in London does not necessary mean working class.....


Yes the 80's were a long time ago I guess. But those of us that experienced that time and before know full well how 'cool' London really was once before it largely sold its soul to the financial sector......

the troubadour

I can see where you are confused. It would appear that way, but as stated, London was always, well since the sixties, I suppose, rather a left inclined city. That's what made it such a great place. People looking out for one another, at least in part. A far more inclusive city with the onus not on individual greed. Of course probably the world capital for youth street culture as well, a place where most could find their niche regardless of how different. As such a magnet for many escaping provincial English life . The world came as well. Not the hard nosed place it was to become a decade or so later, where it became more a place to make money but little else......

Beoz

Hampstead has plenty of working class. Always had.

You are showing your age old timer. Tell me that's not the reason the world is passing you by.

old.sparkles

This thread is about how Bruce / Sheila is faring and the 'book of stats' is the current stats for the different states which is likely very relevant (which of course London isn't except in a pissing contest!)

As an aside, nice to see you can recognise workers from shirkers

the troubadour

What it does show is but another topic you know nothing about. Hampstead does not have plenty of working class. If anything less than in previous times where West Hampstead, not quite the same, was were working class were located.


I'm afraid looking at picture books with pretty graphs in your bedroom is hardly the same as having knowledge on a place or subject matter ...but if you find the only response an ageist one in a guise to hide your ignorance in place of debate then more mouse you.

ozzieeagle

I lived amongst this class thing for years, It's probably the best thing I left behind in the UK.

As I only ever worked in the Square Mile on pretty good wages, throughout my working life in the UK, was I working class or something else?

Does someone that goes progresses from say Telex Operating to Shipbroking or Foreign exchange dealing like quite a few of my peers, do they become Middle Class or something along the way. Or say one of these geezers is public school educated and the other comprehensive, is that where the difference lies.

My now wife, then girlfriend used to rip shreds out of this class system at end of year functions. She really used to put a cat amongst the pigeons. I was horrified at the time at her non-deference to ones supposed betters. Just came naturally to her being a "Wild Colonial Girl" so to speak. If they were being arrogrant pricks she would tell them so very loudly and very effectively. She wasn't having any of it. It's a wonder I stayed employed.


Your right on one thing for sure though Troubadour, just because someone was public school educated, was the son of millionaire old money, worked in Stockbroking/Shipbroking or Foreign Exchange dealing didn't automatically mean they were going to vote Conservative. I remember when the first miners strike was on circa 73/74 (the 3 day week) I was amazed how many high powered people voted labour to enhance the miners position and they were quite vocal about it. Londons always had a bit of a conscience I reckon.

bcworld

Just curious if your wife is from Melbourne? Or I think you may have mentioned before maybe more rural? In Melbourne I think the old boys network (of the most high profile private schools) is very much a thing and alive and well. I can honestly say that I've encountered more open snobbery in Australia regarding what type of secondary school someone went to than I ever did in the UK.