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@boy Nov 27th 2007 6:37 pm

Housing shortage to worsen
 
Housing shortage to worsen
November 28, 2007
http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...036892774.html

AUSTRALIA could have a shortage of 200,000 homes by 2010, exacerbating the housing affordability problem.

Despite Labor policies designed to tackle housing shortages and increase incentives for Australians to save, experts have told a forum that housing affordability will worsen.

The ANZ Bank's head of financial system analysis, Paul Braddick, said affordability had deteriorated sharply in the past 12 to 18 months, with higher interest rates and house prices outstripping growth in household incomes.

Sally Simpson Nov 27th 2007 6:41 pm

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You really are always full of the cheeriest info aren't you!:ohmy:

@boy Nov 27th 2007 6:48 pm

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Originally Posted by sallyclaire (Post 5607137)
You really are always full of the cheeriest info aren't you!:ohmy:

I take no joy in posting them , trust me. I only post articles from the papers here that I believe are particularly accurate and that will serve the most use to those planning to move here. It truly is the opposite to the UK/Irish market and no signs of slowing for some time to come. Worth hammering home the point to those who may have not factored it in or who may have glossed over it with all the other distractions of planning a move on this scale.

emelems Nov 27th 2007 8:37 pm

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Originally Posted by @boy (Post 5607158)
I take no joy in posting them , trust me. I only post articles from the papers here that I believe are particularly accurate and that will serve the most use to those planning to move here. It truly is the opposite to the UK/Irish market and no signs of slowing for some time to come. Worth hammering home the point to those who may have not factored it in or who may have glossed over it with all the other distractions of planning a move on this scale.


I appresiate it. :)

For lots of reasons, Keep them coming...

woops', posted by thesubmainman.

Amazulu Nov 27th 2007 10:08 pm

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Originally Posted by @boy (Post 5607128)
Housing shortage to worsen
November 28, 2007
http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...036892774.html

AUSTRALIA could have a shortage of 200,000 homes by 2010, exacerbating the housing affordability problem.

Despite Labor policies designed to tackle housing shortages and increase incentives for Australians to save, experts have told a forum that housing affordability will worsen.

The ANZ Bank's head of financial system analysis, Paul Braddick, said affordability had deteriorated sharply in the past 12 to 18 months, with higher interest rates and house prices outstripping growth in household incomes.

Not good news if you are starting out but great news if you own property - like most of the people on here do. It's swings and roundabouts really.

temptininnit Nov 27th 2007 10:59 pm

Re: Housing shortage to worsen
 

Originally Posted by @boy (Post 5607128)
Housing shortage to worsen
November 28, 2007
http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...036892774.html

AUSTRALIA could have a shortage of 200,000 homes by 2010, exacerbating the housing affordability problem.

Despite Labor policies designed to tackle housing shortages and increase incentives for Australians to save, experts have told a forum that housing affordability will worsen.

The ANZ Bank's head of financial system analysis, Paul Braddick, said affordability had deteriorated sharply in the past 12 to 18 months, with higher interest rates and house prices outstripping growth in household incomes.

Sounds like recipe for wage rises and inflation- that'll slow it down a bit.

jad n rich Nov 28th 2007 12:10 am

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Tax credits for investors to provide 'reasonable rent' housing sounds like negative gearing is going to go out the window then:blink:

Interesting scheme, Wonder what a reasonable rent is:blink:, On a $400,000 house the loan payments would be about $3800 a month, plus rates, plus insurance, plus liablitly insurance, but probably the current market rent is $350 - $380 a week:eek: FFS, no wonder there is a rental shortage.

hoofie2002 Nov 28th 2007 12:55 am

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Originally Posted by jad n rich (Post 5608090)
Tax credits for investors to provide 'reasonable rent' housing sounds like negative gearing is going to go out the window then:blink:

Interesting scheme, Wonder what a reasonable rent is:blink:, On a $400,000 house the loan payments would be about $3800 a month, plus rates, plus insurance, plus liablitly insurance, but probably the current market rent is $350 - $380 a week:eek: FFS, no wonder there is a rental shortage.

You've got it in a nutshell. We thought about building an investment property for our old age but the rental income we could get is far too low. I know that high rents are hard for people to pay, but the difference in rental income and actual property cost just makes it uneconomic. Some of our friends who have investment properties are also selling them once the current rental expires because of the same reason - the difference between mortgage and rental is too high.

OK, it's nice to be able to consider building another house, many people are struggling just to pay a rent - but the fact is private sector housing provides a lot of the current rental accommodation and if the pool of housing drops, rents go up [supply and demand] and people suffer.

Geelong Gent Nov 28th 2007 4:24 am

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Originally Posted by jad n rich (Post 5608090)
Tax credits for investors to provide 'reasonable rent' housing sounds like negative gearing is going to go out the window then:blink:

Interesting scheme, Wonder what a reasonable rent is:blink:, On a $400,000 house the loan payments would be about $3800 a month, plus rates, plus insurance, plus liablitly insurance, but probably the current market rent is $350 - $380 a week:eek: FFS, no wonder there is a rental shortage.

We are moving out of our rental (breaking the lease) and the landlord has decided to sell. Even before we have moved out the selling agent has poped around and already has potential buyers waiting in the +$1million bracket and this is for a 3 bed semi attached victorian with a small patio. Paying just over $400 per week rent.

SonicBird Nov 28th 2007 4:45 am

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Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 5607807)
Not good news if you are starting out but great news if you own property - like most of the people on here do. It's swings and roundabouts really.

nice assumption ... tinged with a hint of smugness...

gotahavit Nov 28th 2007 4:51 am

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as a carpenter and a home owner this news is more than welcome for those who are trying to get onto the ladder i feel truly sorry for you,i know from my own experience that it is possible to build a descent home for under $100,000 if only the government wouild set aside a certain amount of land purely for people on low incomes.

Nu-Shooz Nov 28th 2007 4:53 am

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Loads of houses for sale where i am. People can't get rid of them. Loads!!!

SonicBird Nov 28th 2007 4:56 am

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Originally Posted by Nu-Shooz (Post 5608799)
Loads of houses for sale where i am. People can't get rid of them. Loads!!!

it's probably the stinky minge that is putting people off buying them tho..

;)

themerlin Nov 28th 2007 4:59 am

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Nah get rid of negative gearing and rests will go through the roof.



Originally Posted by jad n rich (Post 5608090)
Tax credits for investors to provide 'reasonable rent' housing sounds like negative gearing is going to go out the window then:blink:

Interesting scheme, Wonder what a reasonable rent is:blink:, On a $400,000 house the loan payments would be about $3800 a month, plus rates, plus insurance, plus liablitly insurance, but probably the current market rent is $350 - $380 a week:eek: FFS, no wonder there is a rental shortage.


themerlin Nov 28th 2007 5:03 am

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Not really, your house could be worth 100k or 1000k, it's doesn't matter becuase you can't sell as you need somewhere to live. Actually lower prices would be better becuase the cost of moving would be less, stamp duty and real estate agent fee are worked out on a percentage base after all.

Investment properties are another story though.


Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 5607807)
Not good news if you are starting out but great news if you own property - like most of the people on here do. It's swings and roundabouts really.


SonicBird Nov 28th 2007 5:07 am

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Originally Posted by themerlin (Post 5608815)
Not really, your house could be worth 100k or 1000k, it's doesn't matter becuase you can't sell as you need somewhere to live. Actually lower prices would be better becuase the cost of moving would be less, stamp duty and real estate agent fee are worked out on a percentage base after all.

Investment properties are another story though.


Actually lower prices would be better because then people on average wages would be able to afford to buy their own home.

Amazulu Nov 28th 2007 5:12 am

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Originally Posted by themerlin (Post 5608815)
Investment properties are another story though.

That's why I wrote 'own property' rather than 'own a property'.

cavacharva Nov 29th 2007 8:18 am

Re: Housing shortage to worsen
 
I'd take stuff like this with a big fat pinch of salt. This sort of thing is usually circulated by builders and estate agents to talk the market up.

Here in the UK things are definatley cooling with month on month percentage drops and houses sitting unsold for many months.

If its happening in the US and the UK and Ireland I see no reason why Australia will be immune to the global credit crunch.

BTW the only people who benefit from high house prices are governments and big business. You may feel richer but if the house up the ladder you want has also gone up 10% then it is further out of reach. Meanwhile the poor guys at the bottom can't even get a foot hold.

Timber Floor Au Nov 29th 2007 8:24 am

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To lighten the load on housing shortage, feel free to buy my place :)

@boy Nov 29th 2007 8:26 am

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Originally Posted by cavacharva (Post 5613203)
I'd take stuff like this with a big fat pinch of salt. This sort of thing is usually circulated by builders and estate agents to talk the market up.
.

WTF ??!

Are you serious ?

I ain't a builder OR a real eastate eagent, but I have been living here in AUstralia for the last 5 years and I can tell you that this article is 100% accurate in reflection of the current and trending situation.

This article is on the money.

Snorting salt in this instance is just gonna leave you with one thing, A salty nose :-)

cavacharva Nov 29th 2007 8:33 am

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@boy

I wasn't saying you are an EA or a builder but if you check into the source of these articles you will usually find it isn't some independant study group coming up with this sort of "PANIC BUY A HOUSE NOW!!!!!" article.

It's usually people who stand to make a bit of money out of it. And unless you are going to live in a campervan or trade down you will make no money out of rising house prices.

Just because something happened in the past dosn't mean it will play out in the future.

temptininnit Nov 29th 2007 9:07 am

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Originally Posted by cavacharva (Post 5613259)
@boy

I wasn't saying you are an EA or a builder but if you check into the source of these articles you will usually find it isn't some independant study group coming up with this sort of "PANIC BUY A HOUSE NOW!!!!!" article.

It's usually people who stand to make a bit of money out of it. And unless you are going to live in a campervan or trade down you will make no money out of rising house prices.

Just because something happened in the past dosn't mean it will play out in the future.

Yup, I found that too when we first came over. Plenty of people here want to stoke the fire.

themerlin Nov 30th 2007 12:54 am

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The flood of all you immigrants :rofl:
And Australia doesn't have that many places to live despite it's size, not if you need to work anyway.


Originally Posted by cavacharva (Post 5613203)
If its happening in the US and the UK and Ireland I see no reason why Australia will be immune to the global credit crunch.


hantsfamily1 Nov 30th 2007 6:49 am

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I went to an auction on the Gold Coast last night and only 5 out of 22 houses actually sold. They were asking too much money for them and people not prepared to pay over the odds.

I also dont know of anyone who cant actually find a place to live. Any internet search on pretty much any area brings up plenty of properties to choose from. Rentals are easy to find but just take a week or so for the right one.

Anyone buying now risks another couple of rate rises and the highest historical prices paid on most areas. Average wages multiplied by average house prices dont tally so they cant go up forever. A house is for living in and not designed to financially cripple you.


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