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https://www.theguardian.com/australi...ill-change-too

Man comes out on a 457 and now complains he has to go back. Please don't let him be on BE!!!!!

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Aw, let him stay, how good can it be? I had a friend (a welder) who moved to Aus and never came back, he just loved it, and to tell the truth he was a bit wild, had sort of a questing affect so no surprise.

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The clue is right up there with the headline isn't it, one can't migrate on a 457, its a temporary visa..... ( as we frequently warn people :rolleyes: ). And with his age against him thats all it was ever going to be! How was he planning to stay in the long-term?

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I couldn't decide if I was more annoyed by his stupidity or by his assertion that there was nothing to go back for. Why on earth would you buy a house when you know you are on a Temporary visa?

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We bought two :D

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I know, its just senseless. I'd love to know if he had any kind of plan at all.#I mean if he is 59 now, then he was already over the age to apply for Skilled PR when he got his 457. Some the most he could have hoped for was renewing his 457 every 4 years- which would mean him being able to work, and the rules not changing.
did h never consider what visa he would get when he could no longer keep renewing that 457? Did he never read the rules around it? Did he not understand the word 'temprary'?
I'm with you, beats me why you'd break all ties to the UK and move your entire extended family and buy a house if you only have the right to live here for 4 years.......

It says they've applied for CPVs - well they would have been told the processing time when they applied, its always been a fair wait and always well discussed on forums. And they can come back when the CPVs are granted - many many people will never have the chance to reunite their famiies in that way.
As for the daughter saying the children will grow up without their grandparents - well hello, thats what happens when you emigrate, same as most migrants with kids find themselves with no family help.

I'm not totally unsympathetic, but I don't like the air of entitlement that shines through that article. Many families are split by visa rules, often through no fault of their own. In this case at least all the rules and facts would have been clear to see from the outset.

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But I don't think you were too old to get Skills visas and thus migrate permanently..........

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The ease of the 457 leading to many securing PR, likely led to complainant into a false sense of security and not a little entitlement.
Obviously they have been put up to going to the media to further their hope of continued residence through public outcry. I've seen a number try this lark before.


Thank goodness a few hundred 'jobs' have been shred from the 'open to wide abuse' 457. Incomers need to be warned it is what it says a temporary visa. Buying of property or any other avenues will have no bearing on any other outcome than a return home when original commitment has been undertaken.

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It is a shame they did not find BE though, as they would then have been strongly counselled by you guys about this temp visa, especially given their ages.

We could have moved to Oz like that re. husband's trade BUT we knew it wouldn't lead to residency. Not sure why this couple thought differently.

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Ridiculous. The government makes in abundantly clear that the 457 is a temporary visa - there is no ambiguity on their part

There's the warning right there

Anyone on a 457 who doesn't treat it as temporary is an asshat

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Don't make me sound more sensible than I was, lol - we did it all the most terrible way possible - sold up, dragged the kids across the world, when we had a pretty good life already in the UK, all on a 457.

Then, after buying a house in Queensland, the project that Mr Dreamy was on ended, and he didn't fancy commuting to the south of Brisbane, so we state hopped and bought another house (still on the 457, with permission from FIRB) before the first one was even sold.

We were a reality show waiting to happen! Fortunately, Mr Dreamy's awesome skills are in huge demand here in Australia, and we applied for permanent as soon as we were able... but there were still some sweaty moments about EldestDreamy, who was 20 or so when we finally got PR.

Listen to Auntie Dreamy, boys and girls, don't do what she did :thumbup:

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Uh oh. Some people can’t even read the big writing let alone the small writing. Silly sausage! I’m sure if they have been on here and we have warned them about the precariousness of the route they were proposing to take we would have been slammed for being harbingers of doom.

So what visa is the son on? If it relies on his dad’s employment? Maybe they’re all on 457s so they could all go home but, then, how could the olds be applying for a CPV? Very convoluted but I hope Immigration isn’t vulnerable to emotional blackmail.

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They aren't sensible, and should read the terms of the visa as it is quite clea, but I don't think they deserve that kind of abuse. Reading your posts leading it seems you consider the majority of the world's population to be an 'a** for some reason ro other.

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:lol::thumbup:

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Got to love the Grund these days saying it is all because of changes recently made. Totally ignores the fact he was never eligible for a skilled visa. The Grund has become the lefts answer to Fox News - a purveyor of spin and lies published to an agenda.

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It certainly isn't as good as it was. There used to be a reasonable level of truth about it, but its sliding downhill now - ignoring basic facts, as you say.
I spend a large part of my workig life onitoring media and its sad to see so many outlets going downhill like this.

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Snowflake paper has story about a snowflake.

Quelle surprise :lol:

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Chill Mrs Ratchet - get over your miserable self

Happy New Year anyway

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Too old to get over it now, I'm just counting the days till I can retire. That's about the best I have to look forward too!

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The bloke and his family didn't think it through properly, but no one's inconvenienced except them so no skin off my nose.

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Headline could be "Some Migrants Have Limited Reading Skills"

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I find it almost impossible to read mainstream media these days, except about ultra-local stories. Reporters are pushing a political agenda, don't care about facts, and will abuse you if you disagree with them. Right-wing and left-wing.

The family in this case was trying to start a public outcry in hopes they would be given an exception, and a journalist pushing a political agenda decided to carry their water.

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Its a Guardian article. When its from the Guardian always consume knowing there always another side to the story that the Guardian will never tell you about. The Guardian always loves left wing self entitlement.

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You are joking? Any journal needs to be consumed with the knowledge that the ideological slant of owner and editor will influence proceedings.


There is very little in the way of a totally free press. At least The Guardian does present another side, away from the usual right wing slant bordering on extreme, if referring to tabloids like Daily Mail or Daily Express.


The Guardian is left leaning....hardly hard core left. I for one, have a number of issues with their columnists.


But saying that The Guardian does not hide behind a pay wall and still provides a quality in news presentation, as does Daily Telegraph (torygraph)

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I'd actually say they are centralist, liberal (in the true sense of the word) leaning - maybe slightly social democrat at time. If anything they are greenies.

For instance, they are to right of Corbyn.

My problem is they keep given oxygen to loony feminist types that think men are the cause of all ills and are authoritarian at heart. It's a major fault with them.

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I am deadly serious. Its all left wing self entitlement.

I hope you donate. The Guardian needs your $$$$

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I don't think you read it very much. Most of their columnists make Corbyn look right of Thatcher.

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**** sake!! Does every thread have to be "right vs left" bullshit? It's not a wonder hardly anyone posts on here anymore. :rolleyes:

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+1. I'm not even going to bother to participate any more, any comment you make that doesn't follow one or the other 'camp's' agenda is simply ignored. Who can be arsed.

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Likewise. No wonder the place is on its last legs.

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Hmm, well it was verystormy who turned a visa question into a political bias question.

As a generic point, all fora have 'strange attractors' - subjects that all articles tend to circle back to and thus lose relevance. It's the basis behind Godwin's law. Here one of those is right wing types trying to make everything about politics and bias - not surprising, they tend to pop up everywhere today - trying to warp reality to line up with their ideology.

Strangely visas ISN'T one of the the attractors here - for instance nobody is talking about Brexit being an opportunity that Australia could be taking to entice high skilled Brits to migrate. Even the idea of a free movement area for certain nations seems to have died away since last year.

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I thought (could be wrong) I started the thread because I was naffed off that someone could be smart enough to apply for and be granted a visa and have no concept of the term 'Temporary'.

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I hear you. I don't know why some people think that the rules don't apply to them and then get upset when they find that they do!

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You did.

If I remember, following posters largely concurred with you, and then from there the thread drifted into some irritation that The Guardian tried to transform it from "guy didn't read his visa conditions / thought they wouldn't apply to him" into a sob story about how the Australian Government is mean to migrants.

Once the Guardian starts get cited on these threads, the horse bolts the barn.

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Either that or it's been put down but is continually flogged.

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Me neither. We had a couple of such cases locally here. Whipping up media attention with a sob story.

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Playing Devil's advocate here - I agree that crying foul is a bit rich given that he was on a temporary visa, and I don't think he should be given any special treatment by DIBP - the rules are the rules. But I don't blame him for using the media in a 'clutching at straws' way - he's built a good life for himself and his family in Oz (on very shaky foundations) and he's desperate to stay.

Should he be permitted to stay in Oz? No, not unless he can qualify for another type of visa. Is it ok to use the media to sway government and public opinion in your favour? It must be, because individuals, corporations and governments use the media for this every day.

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Fair point spouse of scouse. Playing the media card can work for some, I guess. Usually helps if you've got a bit of money to help swing things in your favour.

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Oh yes, cash is king in immigration! He could get an investor visa tomorrow if he had a few million laying about.