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Old Apr 20th 2009, 4:36 am
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Sky News had a stunning example this morning of the way that the financial geniuses who have already broken the planet, think.

The female financial correspondent was cheering the "fact" that housing is becoming more affordable at last, with interest rates at an almost alltime low.

She was blindly ignoring the facts that:

1) First time home buyers are being lured into the market by the uplifted FTHB grant.
2) Affordability has nothing whatsoever to do with interest rates - except in the very hort term. If people with marginal incomes are inveigled into a housing market they can only just afford now, they will be out of a home in a year's time when interest rates are escalating.
3) We are entering what may well be a period of well above historical unemployment rates. Many of those entering the market for the first time will be, almost by definition, among the first to lose their jobs.

Just to educate them: housing affordability is a matter of the ratio of price to income. Transient payment rates are just that - temporary.

How many of these financial whizzkids/esses could balance a household budget? Not many, by my reckoning.

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Sky News had a stunning example this morning of the way that the financial geniuses who have already broken the planet, think.

The female financial correspondent was cheering the "fact" that housing is becoming more affordable at last, with interest rates at an almost alltime low.

She was blindly ignoring the facts that:

1) First time home buyers are being lured into the market by the uplifted FTHB grant.
2) Affordability has nothing whatsoever to do with interest rates - except in the very hort term. If people with marginal incomes are inveigled into a housing market they can only just afford now, they will be out of a home in a year's time when interest rates are escalating.
3) We are entering what may well be a period of well above historical unemployment rates. Many of those entering the market for the first time will be, almost by definition, among the first to lose their jobs.

How many of these financial whizzkids/esses could balance a household budget? Not many, by my reckoning.
Don't expect any but gloss from SKY. Turn over to Bloomberg if you want facts.
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Average house prices where I am are around $700,000! Not sure I wil jump for joy just yet.
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Most of these reporters are good examples of the years of excess that we have just had ie people doing jobs that they really aren't capable of. I'm looking forward to this correction.
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Most of these reporters are good examples of the years of excess that we have just had ie people doing jobs that they really aren't capable of. I'm looking forward to this correction.
Another 75pct plus Auction clearance rate in Melbourne this weekend. It's entirely possible that the median has gone up over the last 3 months.

http://business.theage.com.au/busine...0419-abg8.html
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Originally Posted by Notts_bloke
Average house prices where I am are around $700,000! Not sure I wil jump for joy just yet.
I don't blame you, I reckon those expensive suburbs still have some way to fall.


Another article quotes these interesting figures:

To help keep a little perspective on the average Australian home, it's worth remembering that more than 60% of households are mortgage free - even unemployment can't see a bank repossessing them.
  • 80% of Australian homes are priced at less than $600,000
  • The median house price is about $450,000.
  • Only about 5% are priced at more than $1 million.
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Another 75pct plus Auction clearance rate in Melbourne this weekend. It's entirely possible that the median has gone up over the last 3 months.

http://business.theage.com.au/busine...0419-abg8.html
I went to this auction on Saturday:

http://www.bigginscott.com.au/index....TOKEN=19267565

Beautiful apartment, great detail inside. Vendor bid at $410k then no-one else. Now on sale at $455k.
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2) Affordability has nothing whatsoever to do with interest rates - except in the very hort term. If people with marginal incomes are inveigled into a housing market they can only just afford now, they will be out of a home in a year's time when interest rates are escalating.
3) We are entering what may well be a period of well above historical unemployment rates. Many of those entering the market for the first time will be, almost by definition, among the first to lose their jobs.
Agree completely with these, I read something the other day that described current first time buyers as the next sub prime mortgagees.
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Originally Posted by bcworld
I went to this auction on Saturday:

http://www.bigginscott.com.au/index....TOKEN=19267565

Beautiful apartment, great detail inside. Vendor bid at $410k then no-one else. Now on sale at $455k.
nice flat. obv not in a urry to sell, if the market tells them it aint worth 410 and they put it on for 455...
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yea sure

http://bigpondnews.com/articles/Busi...es_323950.html
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Agree completely with these, I read something the other day that described current first time buyers as the next sub prime mortgagees.
Exactly. In a year or two's time, expect to see the Wayne and Kev show baling out thousands of defaultees. But - Heh! - what's a few billion now that we have got used to all those zeros?
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Thats the problem though................houses are deemed more affordable to expats. When a potting shed in England is worth a quarter of a million quid in the UK, its converted to Aussie dollars and then the run down house at the end of the nicest street in a bogan neighbourhood becomes prime real estate here in Australia. Nice for new arrivals, tough for titties for the locals.

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Sky News had a stunning example this morning of the way that the financial geniuses who have already broken the planet, think.

The female financial correspondent was cheering the "fact" that housing is becoming more affordable at last, with interest rates at an almost alltime low.

She was blindly ignoring the facts that:

1) First time home buyers are being lured into the market by the uplifted FTHB grant.
2) Affordability has nothing whatsoever to do with interest rates - except in the very hort term. If people with marginal incomes are inveigled into a housing market they can only just afford now, they will be out of a home in a year's time when interest rates are escalating.
3) We are entering what may well be a period of well above historical unemployment rates. Many of those entering the market for the first time will be, almost by definition, among the first to lose their jobs.

Just to educate them: housing affordability is a matter of the ratio of price to income. Transient payment rates are just that - temporary.

How many of these financial whizzkids/esses could balance a household budget? Not many, by my reckoning.
How much is the FTHB grant now then?
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$21,000 for new home builders
$14,000 for existing homes
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Originally Posted by Officer Dibble
Thats the problem though................houses are deemed more affordable to expats. When a potting shed in England is worth a quarter of a million quid in the UK, its converted to Aussie dollars and then the run down house at the end of the nicest street in a bogan neighbourhood becomes prime real estate here in Australia. Nice for new arrivals, tough for titties for the locals.
But that's not the case now. UK house prices have tanked and you still can't sell. The Pound has tanked against the Aussie Dollar so you get even less. Many people are delaying their emigration for this reason.
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