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HELP! How do I get a carseat from the UK to Brisbane cheaply?

Old Oct 16th 2009, 4:49 am
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Default Re: HELP! How do I get a carseat from the UK to Brisbane cheaply?

UK isofix seats fit to the isofix points in the car if they are fitted, Australia doesn't have Isofix seats at all so if you want to use an Isofix seat you have to buy from the UK
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Hi,

Im also not impressed with Aussie car seats, sorry but my Maxi Cosi car seats were way better for baby and older seat.

Australian mums are actually importing Maxi Cosi car seats and other car seats and prams from Europe here. They too are obviously flouting the law then.

If you can get a relative to buy and get the courier to pick up:

This place was recommend by some Aussie mums, as its about the cheapest to ship and they have been getting prams and car seats from the UK in about 3 days http://www.parcel2go.com/
Also mentioned this place for cheap shipping:
http://www.parcelmonkey.co.uk/

* This place sells a lot of European brands and will ship to Australia. Recommend by mums in Australia who have used them. Also can be cheaper than buying here.
http://www.babycare.nl/

I have heard Maxi Cosi are going through testing to bring their car seats over here. But dont know how long this takes.

Also ebay sellers will often ship to Australia. Buy new though.

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Default Re: HELP! How do I get a carseat from the UK to Brisbane cheaply?

Originally Posted by Rudi View Post
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I hear what you are saying, but the UK seats are not legal here, so if you were in an accident and your son was injured you could be proescuted for not having him in a legal seat. I know the UK ones are stonger and better, but it MUST be an Australian approved model here.

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Also can invalidate the car's insurance in the event of a crash.
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Default Re: HELP! How do I get a carseat from the UK to Brisbane cheaply?

Originally Posted by Gems View Post
Hi,

Im also not impressed with Aussie car seats, sorry but my Maxi Cosi car seats were way better for baby and older seat.

Australian mums are actually importing Maxi Cosi car seats and other car seats and prams from Europe here. They too are obviously flouting the law then.

If you can get a relative to buy and get the courier to pick up:

This place was recommend by some Aussie mums, as its about the cheapest to ship and they have been getting prams and car seats from the UK in about 3 days http://www.parcel2go.com/
Also mentioned this place for cheap shipping:
http://www.parcelmonkey.co.uk/

* This place sells a lot of European brands and will ship to Australia. Recommend by mums in Australia who have used them. Also can be cheaper than buying here.
http://www.babycare.nl/

I have heard Maxi Cosi are going through testing to bring their car seats over here. But dont know how long this takes.

Also ebay sellers will often ship to Australia. Buy new though.

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I think the Romer Kidfix at babycare.nl is the same as the model as the Britax evolva 1-2-3 plus (might not be plus model?). Costs eur 169 + 65 delivery, so 213 pounds or au$ 378 - ouch!
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Default Re: HELP! How do I get a carseat from the UK to Brisbane cheaply?

Originally Posted by HazBean View Post
Unfortunately, for a parcel the size of a car seat they would calculate it by volumetric weight, which would be around 40kg and 250+ pounds.
Bugger!
Originally Posted by zenamethyst View Post
i will speak to a jp over here and see what they say
JPs over here are not (necessarily) lawyers, they're more or less volunteers with a bit of special training. And even a generic lawyer isn't likely to have relevant experience in this particular aspect of law - if there is even any experience to be had. I wonder if case law even exists on this topic.

Originally Posted by Pollyana View Post
Also can invalidate the car's insurance in the event of a crash.
Can you provide a link or some sort of other source for this? It seems a bit unlikely that an insurance policy on a car can be invalidated because of using an unapproved child booster seat.
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Originally Posted by lapin_windstar View Post
Bugger!


JPs over here are not (necessarily) lawyers, they're more or less volunteers with a bit of special training. And even a generic lawyer isn't likely to have relevant experience in this particular aspect of law - if there is even any experience to be had. I wonder if case law even exists on this topic.



Can you provide a link or some sort of other source for this? It seems a bit unlikely that an insurance policy on a car can be invalidated because of using an unapproved child booster seat.

You're quite right - JPs aren't legally trained here - pretty much all they are useful for is certifying documents and other minor civil activities. Australia doesn't have a lay magistrate system like the UK - All magistrates are trained lawyers, the equivalent of the old UK stipendiary magistrate.


Here's an excerpt from Reg 266 of the Australian Road Rules:

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(1) The driver of a motor vehicle (except a bus or motor bike) that is moving, or is stationary but not parked, must ensure that this rule is complied with for each passenger in or on the vehicle who is under 16 years old.

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(3) If the passenger is at least 1 year old but under 16 years old, and not exempt from wearing a seatbelt under rule 267, the passenger must be restrained in a suitable approved child restraint that is properly fastened and adjusted, or occupy a seating position fitted with a suitable seatbelt and wear the seatbelt properly adjusted and fastened, if:

(a) a suitable approved child restraint, or a seating position fitted with a suitable seatbelt, is available in the motor vehicle for the passenger; or

(b) another law of this jurisdiction requires all passengers at least 1 year old but under 16 years old to be restrained in an approved child restraint, or wear a seatbelt, unless they are exempt from wearing a seatbelt under the law of this jurisdiction.

"Approved child restraint" is defined in subrule (7).

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(7) In this rule:

"approved child restraint" means a child restraint approved, for the Australian Road Rules , under another law of this jurisdiction.

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So that's the law. There may be some regional variations. Note-ing up the regulation doesn't produce any existing case law, though I suspect it would be at state level anyway.


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Default Re: HELP! How do I get a carseat from the UK to Brisbane cheaply?

I may be wrong but looking around there do not appear to be any booster seats for children over 26kg available in Australia. Therefore, you cannot legally put your 26kg+ child into a booster seat. You can use a child harness (without a booster seat) but only up to 32kg.

Victoria is currently looking into raising a new Australian standard for children over 7 years old and up to 36kg (as per UK & Europe) but it isn't finalised.
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And those harnesses can't be good in a crash if used without a booster. They pull the lap sash up so it is across the childs abdomen not across the hip bones. Thereby increasing damage to internal organs in an accident.
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Default Re: HELP! How do I get a carseat from the UK to Brisbane cheaply?

Originally Posted by Pomster View Post
The rules for children and car seats are changing in Nov- so all children under 7 must be in properly fitted/suitable seating.
I guess this means for your lighter than average 7 year old, you will be able to find a better choice of seating.

When mine gets to that age, I will use a booster with a 5 point harness.

For what it is worth- the additional anchor point here for car seats reassures me much more than the UK ones which merely attach through the adult seat belt. I like the double security.
I totally agree and I don't see that the Australia seats are any different than the UK ones...at all. Safe and sound = Britax.... Oh, and my sons safety is my priority too...
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mothercare deliver to oz but dont know about larger items, but i wouldnt any way as if you or your son were injured in a crash your insurance would be void therefore no compensation or anything.
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Old Oct 16th 2009, 10:16 am
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5 point seat age 7! crikey, how fast do you drive?

At that age ifd your child 'tall' then a booster is the right choice surely, all they do is lift em up so the belt crosses the childs chest and not their neck, my son was out of a booseter at 7, just as soon as he passed the height limit.

I think your safety concerns are commendable if a bit OTT
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Originally Posted by lapin_windstar View Post
Bugger!


JPs over here are not (necessarily) lawyers, they're more or less volunteers with a bit of special training. And even a generic lawyer isn't likely to have relevant experience in this particular aspect of law - if there is even any experience to be had. I wonder if case law even exists on this topic.



Can you provide a link or some sort of other source for this? It seems a bit unlikely that an insurance policy on a car can be invalidated because of using an unapproved child booster seat.
JP's in UK are often volunteer magistrates that have done it for a few years
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Originally Posted by zenamethyst View Post
I'd rather be prosecuted for using a non australian carseat and my son being more protected in an accident than than risk my son being injured by a carseat which wouldn't pass any european safety standards i'm afraid.

The car seat my son is currently using was the best model we could buy and we paid 249 pounds at the time for it after researching the safety features and testing and there was a child in an accident in that same model carseat that survived with not even a scratch on him and the car was completely crushed but the carseat protected him - some of the ones over here i've looked at are so flimsy that even i could snap the head part off and i have rheumatoid arthritis in my hands and nerve damage
I friend of mine was in the same situation. He refused to use an Australian approved seat and imported one from Germany. He wrote to all sorts of gov agency with supporting documents, petitions and so forth to change the regulation for children's car seats. I don't know the outcome as this was 2 years ago.
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Originally Posted by rinkerdink View Post
JP's in UK are often volunteer magistrates that have done it for a few years
Maybe, although my old headmaster was a JP and he certainly didn't even do a law degree, let alone practice. He might not even have ever done a teaching degree, come to that... In any case, JPs in England and Wales are totally different from JPs in Australia.

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if you or your son were injured in a crash your insurance would be void therefore no compensation or anything.
Can you provide a link or some sort of other source for this?
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Old Oct 16th 2009, 10:49 pm
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We bought a 'Safe & Sound' car seat for our 2.5 year old when we lived in Brisbane and found it to be more secure than the seats available in the Uk. So much so, we wanted to bring it bring it back with us to the Uk when we returned earlier this year, only to find it wasn't legal to use so we sold it.

I can see the OP's point of view of wanting to have their child secured correctly and safely, but to blatently flout the law just because they believe they think the Uk seats are better is just plain stupid and to think that if the worst (god forbid) were to happen that they're entitled to blag their way out of it show little or no common sense.

I'm not saying for one minute I'm whiter than white, but when it comes to insurance cover, the law etc..... if you want to take it into your own hands then go ahead, but when it all turns to s**t don't say you weren't warned.

Edit: And by my last paragraph I ment to add that the OP may want to consider how they they'd feel / cope if their insurance didn't pay out for any injuries their little loved ones may suffer in any accident, whether at fault or not.

Food for thought.

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