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Has Australia changed during the pandemic?

Old Sep 5th 2021, 3:23 am
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Default Re: Has Australia changed during the pandemic?

Originally Posted by Beoz
Learned to live with Covid, or just don't care, either way it's nice to belt out a bit of Metallica in a small crowd not thinking about Covid all the time or having to do silly things like mask wearing. Some in Australia will get here before others.

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Heading off soon to join 60 000 others at Optus for the Bledisloe Cup game , but first stopping off at the nearby Camwell (biggest pub in Australia) for a few beers beforehand
Should be a great day
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Old Sep 5th 2021, 6:16 am
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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
I've got a sneaking suspicion that Retired now and Brisbainite think the Vaccine is going to stop them catching Covid and maybe even eradicate it.

That surely isn't their belief??? It couldn't be.... Could it???
You’d be wrong.
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Old Sep 5th 2021, 6:25 am
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
Heading off soon to join 60 000 others at Optus for the Bledisloe Cup game , but first stopping off at the nearby Camwell (biggest pub in Australia) for a few beers beforehand
Should be a great day
Nice to see some day time international rugby in Australia for once. So much better than night time internationals
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Old Sep 5th 2021, 7:55 am
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Originally Posted by Retirednow
You’d be wrong.
He is most certainly wrong, but to be fair Beoz doesn't know what I do for a living and I don't think I'm going to enlighten him either because he's far too fragile to deal with facts. I'm content to let him live in his carefully constructed version of reality because he's happy to be there and who am I to take that away from him?

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Old Sep 5th 2021, 8:46 am
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Originally Posted by Brisbannite
He is most certainly wrong, but to be fair Beoz doesn't know what I do for a living and I don't think I'm going to enlighten him either because he's far too fragile to deal with facts. I'm content to let him live in his carefully constructed version of reality because he's happy to be there and who am I to take that away from him?
I don't believe I asked what you do for a living nor do I care. Bit of a left field thing to bring up. If it adds to your argument that Queensland is somehow going to remain Covid free for ever then you might want to think about using it now.
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
Heading off soon to join 60 000 others at Optus for the Bledisloe Cup game , but first stopping off at the nearby Camwell (biggest pub in Australia) for a few beers beforehand
Should be a great day

Half your luck... Enjoy. Personally I reckon I'll be watching Melbourne Victory amongst a crowd of 30k around Jan/Feb 2022
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Originally Posted by Brisbannite
He is most certainly wrong, but to be fair Beoz doesn't know what I do for a living and I don't think I'm going to enlighten him either because he's far too fragile to deal with facts. I'm content to let him live in his carefully constructed version of reality because he's happy to be there and who am I to take that away from him?
He/she is the second biggest clown here. Good entertainment though…
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Originally Posted by Retirednow
You’d be wrong.
So how many years or indeed decades will you keep that up for??


Not sure if you saw my Lambada comment when I was up in Cairns circa 3 weeks back... Well the Colombian variant is now enroute to Aus... Official name is now Mu... How many mutations do you think you'll have to bubble yourselves against and for how long... This thing is going to keep shape shifting and coming... The only salvation being, the more contagious the muation equates the less virulent.


So will Queensland bubble itself away from the rest of the world for years or maybe decades? NSW and Victoria have obviously decided they cannot afford to be locked away from the rest of the world.

Good luck is all I can add.
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Default Re: Has Australia changed during the pandemic?

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
So how many years or indeed decades will you keep that up for??

Not sure if you saw my Lambada comment when I was up in Cairns circa 3 weeks back... Well the Colombian variant is now enroute to Aus... Official name is now Mu... How many mutations do you think you'll have to bubble yourselves against and for how long... This thing is going to keep shape shifting and coming... The only salvation being, the more contagious the muation equates the less virulent.
This is absolute rubbish and makes zero sense, it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
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Default Re: Has Australia changed during the pandemic?

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle


So will Queensland bubble itself away from the rest of the world for years or maybe decades? NSW and Victoria have obviously decided they cannot afford to be locked away from the rest of the world.

Good luck is all I can add.
Probably yes. Unless you happen to be rich, famous, a politician, or an NRL player/hanger-on.
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Default Re: Has Australia changed during the pandemic?

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle

So will Queensland bubble itself away from the rest of the world for years or maybe decades? NSW and Victoria have obviously decided they cannot afford to be locked away from the rest of the world.
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Good luck is all I can add.
Exactly.
QLD and WA keep on boasting about their current lifestyle - yet, their Premiers avoid having the awkward discussion with their population that they are just delaying the inevitable. Even at a vaccination rate of 80% or more (which I highly doubt will happen in QLD and WA...), there will be cases (not just a handful), hospitalisation and - sadly - deaths. It will essentially become a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

I am a health professional and have spent the last 12 months in Europe. Yes, much of Europe didn't enjoy a Covid free lifestyle the past few months - but Europe is now learning to live with Covid. No lockdowns. Free movement. Restrictions only for the unvaccinated - these are the people filling our ICUs. Despite massive supplies of vaccines. But certain people will choose not to get vaccinated and at some stage, they are on their own and can no longer force restrictions upon those who did the right thing and got the jab. Most fatalities in NSW were people in their 60s. They were all eligible for having the AstraZeneca vaccine but sadly, did not take up the opportunity. There has never been a shortage of AZ in Australia. This is hardly the fault of the NSW government if people refuse a perfectly fine vaccine...

Spent the past few weeks going out to restaurants, events, travelling to Bavaria, Austria and Switzerland - tourism here is pumping, life has essentially returned to normal. Yes, there are masks and hygiene standards in certain settings. But even QLD and WA will eventually get a grip that this is the way forward. Covid will never disappear. It will be quite a show once numbers are rising in WA and QLD despite high vaccination rates. We know that the health systems there are already under strain - without Covid - so I really wish them luck...

Returning to Sydney in a few weeks - and there is no place I'd rather be in Australia. I have no interest living in a place where politicians lock me up in a - supposedly - safe bubble and talk to me like I am a child. Seriously, are people in QLD and WA really buying this? At least, Gladys is having an honest and adult conversation about the way forward - it's not always what people want to hear but it's what people NEED to hear. I rather prefer this approach than denying reality... but the fear-mongering machine is working perfectly fine in WA and QLD.
It has always worked in history - instill fear into people and it will be easy to control them. That recent comment from AP using children as a reason not to move forward just proves how low they are prepared to go (despite science confirming that Covid is not really an issue for young children). It really is quite a show watching this from a distance.

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Originally Posted by physiogirl76
Exactly.
QLD and WA keep on boasting about their current lifestyle - yet, their Premiers avoid having the awkward discussion with their population that they are just delaying the inevitable. Even at a vaccination rate of 80% or more (which I highly doubt will happen in QLD and WA...), there will be cases (not just a handful), hospitalisation and - sadly - deaths. It will essentially become a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

I am a health professional and have spent the last 12 months in Europe. Europe is essentially living with Covid. No lockdowns. Free movement. Restrictions only for the unvaccinated - these are the people filling our ICUs. Despite massive supplies of vaccines. But certain people will choose not to get vaccinated and at some stage, they are on their own and can no longer force restrictions upon those who did the right thing and got the jab. Most fatalities in NSW were people in their 60s. They were all eligible for having the AstraZeneca vaccine but sadly, did not take up the opportunity. There has never been a shortage of AZ in Australia. This is hardly the fault of the NSW government if people refuse a perfectly fine vaccine...

Spent the past few weeks going out to restaurants, events, travelling to Bavaria, Austria and Switzerland - tourism here is pumping, life has essentially returned to normal. Yes, there are masks and hygiene standards in certain settings. But even QLD and WA will eventually get a grip that this is the way forward. Covid will never disappear. It will be quite a show once numbers are rising in WA and QLD despite high vaccination rates. We know that the health systems there are already under strain - without Covid - so I really wish them luck...

Returning to Sydney in a few weeks - and there is no place I'd rather be in Australia. I have no interest living in a place where politicians lock me up in a - supposedly - safe bubble and talk to me like I am a child. Seriously, are people in QLD and WA really buying this? At least, Gladys is having an honest and adult conversation about the way forward - it's not always what people want to hear but it's what people NEED to hear. I rather prefer this approach than denying reality... but the fear-mongering machine is working perfectly fine in WA and QLD.
It has always worked in history - instill fear into people and it will be easy to control them. That recent comment from AP using children as a reason not to move forward just proves how low they are prepared to go (despite science confirming that Covid is not really an issue for young children). It really is quite a show watching this from a distance.
You say you're a "health professional" but you have some rather odd points of view for one. You say you're giving up a life that has returned to normal to return to Sydney in a few weeks, despite the costs of flights and the mandatory quarantine period and the fact that the number of cases in NSW isn't expected to peak until mid October.

Come to Queensland, and continue to enjoy the freedoms. By the time the virus gets here we'll be well over 80% vaccinated.
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Originally Posted by Brisbannite
You say you're a "health professional" but you have some rather odd points of view for one. You say you're giving up a life that has returned to normal to return to Sydney in a few weeks, despite the costs of flights and the mandatory quarantine period and the fact that the number of cases in NSW isn't expected to peak until mid October.

Come to Queensland, and continue to enjoy the freedoms. By the time the virus gets here we'll be well over 80% vaccinated.
Odd points? Elaborate please...
I was working in a Covid vaccination centre for several months and I think my views are completely in line with the current medical evidence and real life data.

Contrary to your statement, I am not giving up my life. My life IS in Sydney. I temporarily moved to Europe in order to assist a family member after surgery, then was offered said job in the vaccine hub and now I am enjoying a few weeks of summer while waiting for my flight back to Sydney.

I was actually planning to move to Brisbane just shortly before the pandemic - but with APs border closures, it was rather impossible. And now, this whole rhetoric in QLD and their - at times - cruel decisions which have not always been based on medical evidence, has completely put me off. Besides, they have a rental and housing crisis up there due to the influx of Southerners so it makes much more sense to stay in Sydney for now where I have much more choice in rentals and well paid jobs. Sydney won't be in lockdown anymore in a few weeks as vaccination rates are ramping up fast. Not sure about QLD - AP has made it very clear that she intends to go it alone and judging by the slow vaccination rate in QLD and their zero Covid approach, I wouldn't be betting on the fact that Queenslanders are able to maintain their lifestyle for that much longer.

2 weeks in hotel quarantine and I am out by mid October. I am not a big fan of the fact that I have to spend 14 days in a hotel room (as a fully vaccinated person who tested negative before my flight) while thousands of positive cases are self-isolating at home but this is something I just have to suck up. At least, Gladys is planning to implement home quarantine for vaccinated travellers soon, in line with the national plan. Queensland is building quarantine facilities instead. Go figure...
Again, I know where I'd rather be. Real life. Not utopia.
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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
So how many years or indeed decades will you keep that up for??


Not sure if you saw my Lambada comment when I was up in Cairns circa 3 weeks back... Well the Colombian variant is now enroute to Aus... Official name is now Mu... How many mutations do you think you'll have to bubble yourselves against and for how long... This thing is going to keep shape shifting and coming... The only salvation being, the more contagious the muation equates the less virulent.


So will Queensland bubble itself away from the rest of the world for years or maybe decades? NSW and Victoria have obviously decided they cannot afford to be locked away from the rest of the world.

Good luck is all I can add.
I couldn’t give a shit about Qld or what they’re doing.
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Originally Posted by Retirednow
I couldn’t give a shit about Qld or what they’re doing.

I do. Despite myself. Pretty distressing to see Australia so fragmented, especially State v States in such a polarised positions. There again after 40 plus years here, I guess I feel part and parcel of this country.




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