Good news for those on spouse visa's (NOT!)
#31
Re: Good news for those on spouse visa's (NOT!)
Originally Posted by bondipom
You are resident for tax purposes. I put resident on my resume, not temp resident (economical with the truth, not a lie). A lot of jobs ask for citizenship or permanent residency. Government employers do not have much flexibility however the private sector does.
1. They don't understand the idea of work rights on a temporary visa; and
2. They are scared that if something happens to your visa, they'll have to sponsor or re-hire in a critical situation (either way, something they hate).
Although you may be lucky, getting a good job is hard with a temporary visa, unless you've got skills in an area of high demand. Temporary jobs should be less of a problem.
The other thing, which many people don't know, is that if you have a temp spouse visa and are now in a 'long term' spouse relationship (eg if a child has arrived), you can short-cut the 2 year wait for PR by applying for a new spouse visa. This does mean a new application fee, but in many circumstances is worth it. Get professional advice if you think this option may apply to you.
This problem - not being able to find good jobs on a temporary visa - is also something that should concern anyone planning to come to Australia on a 457 visa, where the spouse has got work rights but will find getting a decent job hard due to lack of PR.
Jeremy
#32
Re: Good news for those on spouse visa's (NOT!)
Originally Posted by Pollyana
it may well do - it helped me get mu RACQ job, and my Fire job - at both interviews they said that they did not have time to wait and contact the UK, but would go with the Aussie ones - although RACQ did email a UK one as well. The Fire one had an RACQ name on, but the RACQ one had a good friend, who knows my skills and abilities and could vouch for stuff like reliability and loyalty. I didn't mention whether they were work related, just listed names, job titles, work address/phone./email.
Give it a try - fingers crossed.
Give it a try - fingers crossed.
Yep, and if you haven't already, put an email address for your referees, not (just) a telephone number.
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Re: Good news for those on spouse visa's (NOT!)
JAJ,
I can't understand why companies would hate the idea of sponsorship?
All I've heard is stories of people happily being sponsored by companies again and again. For any normal sized company, I can't imagine this being a big deal, so I'm lost as to why the 'hate' the idea so much.
I can't imagine the culture in Oz to be that radically different from the UK, yet in the UK they'd happily sponsor someone who wanted to stay in this country.
I guess there are negatives out there, but I've yet to hear of a person dumped by their company or that company not offering the person PR status.
That could simply be that I haven't heard of this scenario, and I can only go on what I hear.
B
I can't understand why companies would hate the idea of sponsorship?
All I've heard is stories of people happily being sponsored by companies again and again. For any normal sized company, I can't imagine this being a big deal, so I'm lost as to why the 'hate' the idea so much.
I can't imagine the culture in Oz to be that radically different from the UK, yet in the UK they'd happily sponsor someone who wanted to stay in this country.
I guess there are negatives out there, but I've yet to hear of a person dumped by their company or that company not offering the person PR status.
That could simply be that I haven't heard of this scenario, and I can only go on what I hear.
B
Originally Posted by JAJ
The problem with employers is:
1. They don't understand the idea of work rights on a temporary visa; and
2. They are scared that if something happens to your visa, they'll have to sponsor or re-hire in a critical situation (either way, something they hate).
Although you may be lucky, getting a good job is hard with a temporary visa, unless you've got skills in an area of high demand. Temporary jobs should be less of a problem.
The other thing, which many people don't know, is that if you have a temp spouse visa and are now in a 'long term' spouse relationship (eg if a child has arrived), you can short-cut the 2 year wait for PR by applying for a new spouse visa. This does mean a new application fee, but in many circumstances is worth it. Get professional advice if you think this option may apply to you.
This problem - not being able to find good jobs on a temporary visa - is also something that should concern anyone planning to come to Australia on a 457 visa, where the spouse has got work rights but will find getting a decent job hard due to lack of PR.
Jeremy
1. They don't understand the idea of work rights on a temporary visa; and
2. They are scared that if something happens to your visa, they'll have to sponsor or re-hire in a critical situation (either way, something they hate).
Although you may be lucky, getting a good job is hard with a temporary visa, unless you've got skills in an area of high demand. Temporary jobs should be less of a problem.
The other thing, which many people don't know, is that if you have a temp spouse visa and are now in a 'long term' spouse relationship (eg if a child has arrived), you can short-cut the 2 year wait for PR by applying for a new spouse visa. This does mean a new application fee, but in many circumstances is worth it. Get professional advice if you think this option may apply to you.
This problem - not being able to find good jobs on a temporary visa - is also something that should concern anyone planning to come to Australia on a 457 visa, where the spouse has got work rights but will find getting a decent job hard due to lack of PR.
Jeremy
#34
Re: Can any one help please?
Originally Posted by JAJ
Get some very urgent professional advice. Call IARC and ask for a referral to a competent practitioner local to you:
http://www.iarc.asn.au
Jeremy
http://www.iarc.asn.au
Jeremy
Thanks! Will call in the morning.
Siren
#35
Re: Good news for those on spouse visa's (NOT!)
Originally Posted by brutus
JAJ,
I can't understand why companies would hate the idea of sponsorship?
All I've heard is stories of people happily being sponsored by companies again and again. For any normal sized company, I can't imagine this being a big deal, so I'm lost as to why the 'hate' the idea so much.
I can't understand why companies would hate the idea of sponsorship?
All I've heard is stories of people happily being sponsored by companies again and again. For any normal sized company, I can't imagine this being a big deal, so I'm lost as to why the 'hate' the idea so much.
The other reason is that generally they don't *need* to worry about it - just hire the Australian next in line (usually possible unless the occupation is in shortage).
I can't imagine the culture in Oz to be that radically different from the UK, yet in the UK they'd happily sponsor someone who wanted to stay in this country.
Jeremy
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Re: Can any one help please?
Originally Posted by Siren
Thanks! Will call in the morning.
Siren
Siren
#37
Re: Good news for those on spouse visa's (NOT!)
Originally Posted by JAJ
The problem with employers is:
1. They don't understand the idea of work rights on a temporary visa; and
2. They are scared that if something happens to your visa, they'll have to sponsor or re-hire in a critical situation (either way, something they hate).
Although you may be lucky, getting a good job is hard with a temporary visa, unless you've got skills in an area of high demand. Temporary jobs should be less of a problem.
The other thing, which many people don't know, is that if you have a temp spouse visa and are now in a 'long term' spouse relationship (eg if a child has arrived), you can short-cut the 2 year wait for PR by applying for a new spouse visa. This does mean a new application fee, but in many circumstances is worth it. Get professional advice if you think this option may apply to you.
This problem - not being able to find good jobs on a temporary visa - is also something that should concern anyone planning to come to Australia on a 457 visa, where the spouse has got work rights but will find getting a decent job hard due to lack of PR.
Jeremy
1. They don't understand the idea of work rights on a temporary visa; and
2. They are scared that if something happens to your visa, they'll have to sponsor or re-hire in a critical situation (either way, something they hate).
Although you may be lucky, getting a good job is hard with a temporary visa, unless you've got skills in an area of high demand. Temporary jobs should be less of a problem.
The other thing, which many people don't know, is that if you have a temp spouse visa and are now in a 'long term' spouse relationship (eg if a child has arrived), you can short-cut the 2 year wait for PR by applying for a new spouse visa. This does mean a new application fee, but in many circumstances is worth it. Get professional advice if you think this option may apply to you.
This problem - not being able to find good jobs on a temporary visa - is also something that should concern anyone planning to come to Australia on a 457 visa, where the spouse has got work rights but will find getting a decent job hard due to lack of PR.
Jeremy
You seem pretty knowledgeable, so here's a question for you.
My wife and I have been accepted on a skilled independent visa class 136 (she is a midwife....on the MODL ). I take it this gives or allows immediate permanent residency...........for us both I have been assuming !!
Can you advise if that is so?
cheers
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Re: Good news for those on spouse visa's (NOT!)
I had to "temp" for 3 years until my PR came through (1 year WHV & 2 as Temp Spouse").
Never had a problem temping as PA/Sec in Sydney as high demand, not many wanting to do the crappie role of dogs body. Gave me 3 years vital Australian experience for my resume though.
They did get me by paying less than my "Australian" colleague in the same type of role whilst a temp!
As soon as PR came through I was sorted, then after another 2 year wait Citizenship and you can tell them to stick their rejections and low wages up their bums!
Good luck
Merlot
Never had a problem temping as PA/Sec in Sydney as high demand, not many wanting to do the crappie role of dogs body. Gave me 3 years vital Australian experience for my resume though.
They did get me by paying less than my "Australian" colleague in the same type of role whilst a temp!
As soon as PR came through I was sorted, then after another 2 year wait Citizenship and you can tell them to stick their rejections and low wages up their bums!
Good luck
Merlot
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Re: Good news for those on spouse visa's (NOT!)
Thanks for the reply Merlot, its good to hear positive stories like this.
I'm glad you've managed to be able to get to stay and all the best out there!!!
I'm glad you've managed to be able to get to stay and all the best out there!!!
Originally Posted by Merlot
I had to "temp" for 3 years until my PR came through (1 year WHV & 2 as Temp Spouse").
Never had a problem temping as PA/Sec in Sydney as high demand, not many wanting to do the crappie role of dogs body. Gave me 3 years vital Australian experience for my resume though.
They did get me by paying less than my "Australian" colleague in the same type of role whilst a temp!
As soon as PR came through I was sorted, then after another 2 year wait Citizenship and you can tell them to stick their rejections and low wages up their bums!
Good luck
Merlot
Never had a problem temping as PA/Sec in Sydney as high demand, not many wanting to do the crappie role of dogs body. Gave me 3 years vital Australian experience for my resume though.
They did get me by paying less than my "Australian" colleague in the same type of role whilst a temp!
As soon as PR came through I was sorted, then after another 2 year wait Citizenship and you can tell them to stick their rejections and low wages up their bums!
Good luck
Merlot
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Re: Good news for those on spouse visa's (NOT!)
Originally Posted by brutus
Thanks for the reply Merlot, its good to hear positive stories like this.
I'm glad you've managed to be able to get to stay and all the best out there!!!
I'm glad you've managed to be able to get to stay and all the best out there!!!
Thanks for that, it is all about working hard and grafting. It makes you realise that nothing is on a plate for you.
Had some darn awful jobs with some very horrible bosses but hey, the last laugh for me. There were times when I wondered why am I getting put through all of this????
I am now back in the UK on a "working holiday" with hubby to enjoy time with my family but have the luxury of an Ozzie passport and will be back over in a few years time.
Once you have lived in both places, very hard to find your true home!
Best of luck
Merlot
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Re: Good news for those on spouse visa's (NOT!)
Originally Posted by Siren
Since I arrived here in March of 2004 on a Prospective Spouse Visa (Subclass 300) I have been looking for work on and off.
In the beginning, I was unconcerned with not getting a call back as I was informed that each position was receiving 100+ applicants.
Then, I DID get call backs based on my resume but very quickly into the conversation I was asked "So, where are you from?" and "Why are you here?"
Immediately upon discovering that I was here on a spouses visa, I was given "Well, we've had a lot of applicants and it wouldn't be fair to ask you to come in just yet. We'll shortlist and get back to you."
Then nothing. Now I'm pretty sure that the call I got was because I already WAS shortlisted, then vetoed because of my non-permanent status.
Today, I checked the DIMIA site about work rights and I am, in fact, completely entitled to work in Australia. So I rang DIMIA to clarify a few things and it was NOT what I wanted to hear.
1) Every employer has the right to refuse me work because of my temporary status.
2) It is not classified as discrimination. Nor is it a reason to fast-track my application.
3) My PR may take THREE years to process because of the 6 month bridging visa before I get the temp spouse visa and another 6 month wait at the end of that 2 years to get the PR.
All in all, I am SOL when it comes to getting a job here for the next 3 years. Unless I can find an employer willing to take a chance on me. Without any Australian work experience and my Canadian experience getting further and further behind me.... well, it's not looking that great.
Luckily, I don't NEED work to survive and can afford to stay home with the kiddos but I am pulling my hair out from boredom. The extra income would come in very handy right now as well.
Ok... Rant over.
Siren
In the beginning, I was unconcerned with not getting a call back as I was informed that each position was receiving 100+ applicants.
Then, I DID get call backs based on my resume but very quickly into the conversation I was asked "So, where are you from?" and "Why are you here?"
Immediately upon discovering that I was here on a spouses visa, I was given "Well, we've had a lot of applicants and it wouldn't be fair to ask you to come in just yet. We'll shortlist and get back to you."
Then nothing. Now I'm pretty sure that the call I got was because I already WAS shortlisted, then vetoed because of my non-permanent status.
Today, I checked the DIMIA site about work rights and I am, in fact, completely entitled to work in Australia. So I rang DIMIA to clarify a few things and it was NOT what I wanted to hear.
1) Every employer has the right to refuse me work because of my temporary status.
2) It is not classified as discrimination. Nor is it a reason to fast-track my application.
3) My PR may take THREE years to process because of the 6 month bridging visa before I get the temp spouse visa and another 6 month wait at the end of that 2 years to get the PR.
All in all, I am SOL when it comes to getting a job here for the next 3 years. Unless I can find an employer willing to take a chance on me. Without any Australian work experience and my Canadian experience getting further and further behind me.... well, it's not looking that great.
Luckily, I don't NEED work to survive and can afford to stay home with the kiddos but I am pulling my hair out from boredom. The extra income would come in very handy right now as well.
Ok... Rant over.
Siren
we need to go shoe shopping hun lol
You need to chill
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#42
Re: Good news for those on spouse visa's (NOT!)
Originally Posted by Siren
Since I arrived here in March of 2004 on a Prospective Spouse Visa (Subclass 300) I have been looking for work on and off.
In the beginning, I was unconcerned with not getting a call back as I was informed that each position was receiving 100+ applicants.
Then, I DID get call backs based on my resume but very quickly into the conversation I was asked "So, where are you from?" and "Why are you here?"
Immediately upon discovering that I was here on a spouses visa, I was given "Well, we've had a lot of applicants and it wouldn't be fair to ask you to come in just yet. We'll shortlist and get back to you."
Then nothing. Now I'm pretty sure that the call I got was because I already WAS shortlisted, then vetoed because of my non-permanent status.
Today, I checked the DIMIA site about work rights and I am, in fact, completely entitled to work in Australia. So I rang DIMIA to clarify a few things and it was NOT what I wanted to hear.
1) Every employer has the right to refuse me work because of my temporary status.
2) It is not classified as discrimination. Nor is it a reason to fast-track my application.
3) My PR may take THREE years to process because of the 6 month bridging visa before I get the temp spouse visa and another 6 month wait at the end of that 2 years to get the PR.
All in all, I am SOL when it comes to getting a job here for the next 3 years. Unless I can find an employer willing to take a chance on me. Without any Australian work experience and my Canadian experience getting further and further behind me.... well, it's not looking that great.
Luckily, I don't NEED work to survive and can afford to stay home with the kiddos but I am pulling my hair out from boredom. The extra income would come in very handy right now as well.
Ok... Rant over.
Siren
In the beginning, I was unconcerned with not getting a call back as I was informed that each position was receiving 100+ applicants.
Then, I DID get call backs based on my resume but very quickly into the conversation I was asked "So, where are you from?" and "Why are you here?"
Immediately upon discovering that I was here on a spouses visa, I was given "Well, we've had a lot of applicants and it wouldn't be fair to ask you to come in just yet. We'll shortlist and get back to you."
Then nothing. Now I'm pretty sure that the call I got was because I already WAS shortlisted, then vetoed because of my non-permanent status.
Today, I checked the DIMIA site about work rights and I am, in fact, completely entitled to work in Australia. So I rang DIMIA to clarify a few things and it was NOT what I wanted to hear.
1) Every employer has the right to refuse me work because of my temporary status.
2) It is not classified as discrimination. Nor is it a reason to fast-track my application.
3) My PR may take THREE years to process because of the 6 month bridging visa before I get the temp spouse visa and another 6 month wait at the end of that 2 years to get the PR.
All in all, I am SOL when it comes to getting a job here for the next 3 years. Unless I can find an employer willing to take a chance on me. Without any Australian work experience and my Canadian experience getting further and further behind me.... well, it's not looking that great.
Luckily, I don't NEED work to survive and can afford to stay home with the kiddos but I am pulling my hair out from boredom. The extra income would come in very handy right now as well.
Ok... Rant over.
Siren
It has helped me a great deal, as I was naively thinking I would be able to get a job quite easily when I got to Sydney. I have my Sub Class 300 Temp Spouse Visa and I hadn't thought of the implications of this.
So again thank you very much everyone for your advice on resume's, temping etc. At least I will get to Sydney with a realistic view and you never know, I may be pleasantly surprised!!
Anna
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Re: Good news for those on spouse visa's (NOT!)
Originally Posted by Peanuts100
Thank you so much for this post!
It has helped me a great deal, as I was naively thinking I would be able to get a job quite easily when I got to Sydney. I have my Sub Class 300 Temp Spouse Visa and I hadn't thought of the implications of this.
So again thank you very much everyone for your advice on resume's, temping etc. At least I will get to Sydney with a realistic view and you never know, I may be pleasantly surprised!!
Anna
It has helped me a great deal, as I was naively thinking I would be able to get a job quite easily when I got to Sydney. I have my Sub Class 300 Temp Spouse Visa and I hadn't thought of the implications of this.
So again thank you very much everyone for your advice on resume's, temping etc. At least I will get to Sydney with a realistic view and you never know, I may be pleasantly surprised!!
Anna
#44
Re: Can any one help please?
Originally Posted by Pollyana
Siren - not sure, but think Jeremy may have been answering Blue mad Manc who has split with his fiance (a few posts back!).......
I was just being cheeky Polly....LOL My bad... my sense of humour must be off today (yesterday).
Siren
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Re: Can any one help please?
Originally Posted by Siren
I was just being cheeky Polly....LOL My bad... my sense of humour must be off today (yesterday).
Siren
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