The Glorious Twelfth
 

Does anyone celebrate in Australia?

Oh and I would also like to take this opportunity to wish any Ulstermen out there a happy 12th day of July.

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No, afraid its not a big thing in Australia.

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I thought that's what you were referring to as it's on my David Beckham calendar!

Do you get a public holiday in Ireland for it?

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David Beckham calender, tut, tut.http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/wu...smiley-015.gif

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LOL!

Well I'm not ashamed to admit I LOVE DAVID BECKHAM!

And I dont want him for his brains either!!!! :p

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LMAO i love him too!!

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:D

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Not to mention my birthday...

I will become officially *Middle Aged*...

:(

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Happy Birthday in advance then!! :)

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I gratefully accept your good wishes and as a gesture of my appreciation I shall go out and get utterly and completely "shedded".

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Good for you! :beer:

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Elaborate please.... my birthday is tomorrow, and what a guy to share it with. :rolleyes:

Ulstermen -- who won what when?

I've a lot of NI friends so I tend to remain extremely neutral on anything political.

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It says on my calendar "Battle of the Boyne, N Ire", no idea what that is all about (sorry, bit ignorant!) but I guess that's what they were referring to...

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Some info here http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?fr...e+of+the+boyne :)

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It's like a cross between July 4th and Guy Fawkes night for protestants only.
It's a large Protestant celebration in N. Ireland. The protestant king William of Orange( Toon may have heard of him, he was Dutch) defeated the catholic king James at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690.
In protestant areas they collect firewood, old sofas, pallets etc. etc for weeks ( they were already collecting when I was in Belfast at the end of May!!) and have a massive bonfire and piss-up on the 11th night( July 11th).
On the 12th the protestant marching bands have parades playing pipes whistles, drums etc. to traditional music which mostly celebrates the Protestants victory, superiority etc. much to the chagrin of their Catholic neighbors. Historically, there has been trouble between the two sides in the build up to celebrations for obvious reasons.

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Ah, yes, this is the controversial parade then.

Lucky me, Becks and the Proddys celebrating the same day.

Again not taking religious sides but lording it over the neighbours over a battle fought 300 years ago seems a bit much.

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Yes, usually better not to mention it, especially if you have friends from N. Ireland from both denominations. There may be a pregnant pause in the conversation.......... at the very least.

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They just call themselves Celtics. :) and the times when the IRA was active in Belfast, "the days when no one would play a gig here."

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They still are active, as are the UDA, they have both just re-focused their efforts to bank robbery, protection rackets and drugs amongst other things.

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I dont know, I love any excuse to "lord it up" over the French! :D

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Yes, I agree -- I guess I meant during the bombings. There supposedly was a time when McDonald's wouldn't open a restaurant in two cities -- Beirut and Belfast.

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Ah but that's different! :D

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Well, someone has to - bless!! ;)

D D

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There's no place for sectarianism in Australia, if you are a NI protestant, Catholic, Serb, Bosnian, whatever - welcome to Australia but if you are going to bring your "baggage" with you the airport and your flight home is this way....

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Yup Renth...
Refreshing, isn't it?
I've met & became friendly with hundreds of people in my 2 years living in Oz.
No idea what religion or denomination any of them are. I'm not interested.

Makes a change from when I lived in Scotland.

Outdated sad bigoted guff, if you ask me..!!!

As I said in another post in a similar thread....

"What your average Orangeman conveniently forgets, is that Prince William Of Orange's victory at The Battle Of The Boyne in 1690, was totally bankrolled by the incumbent Pope of the time, who was shit scared that if King James of England had won the day, the King of Spain would then hold the balance of power in Europe, leaving him free to invade Italy, & usurp the Papacy!!"

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Happy birthday!

Something about 12th July and IOM? It was my dad's birthday and he lived in Port Erin. His next-door neighbour shared the birthday.

Have a good one

Lesley

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The Croats and Serbs here love having a go at each other and there used to be a strong Catholic Protestant divide driven by politics. The catholics were the poor working class and Ausralia's class system still has remnants of that. The Croats I have known here have all been bashed by Serbs and I am sure it happens the other way.

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Sure, you just need to look at soccer in NSW to see the Balkan rivalries. I reckon if they catch any non-citizen taking part in any type of ethnic based violence it should be a jail term followed by a trip to the airport.

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Victorian football also had some crowd violence at some games. I believe that Australia currently has the powers to deport criminal non citizens. JAJ maybe able to clarify if they have to be convicted or just suspected of crime. Wasn't there a Brit that was recently convicted and deported? He arrived here as a child of British migrants and he never obtained citizenship. I cannot remember the details. Nothing can be done for the Australian born who carry on the hatred.

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Ha ha ha http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/lol.gif . The sectarianism in Australia is as deep, if not deeper, than in the UK.

You should try reading some Victoria state history, start with Ned Kelly(poor catholic boy terrorised by protestant authorities). Or alternatively, go into one of the Irish clubs in Melbourne wearing a Rangers scarf :eek: , and explain to them that sectarianism doesn't exist,

JTL

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True
Or certain pubs in Sydney wearing a Celtic shirt and live to tell the tale

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I can't agree. Having lived in the West of Scotland for many years & spending a lot of time in NI its not in your face as it was back in UK.
Ive never been asked what school I went to or what foot I kick with etc since coming to Victoria.
Never had my car spat on because it was green ( and I'm a proddy ).

I agree that theres no place here for the small minded bigots.

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I totally agree, I came to Australia from the West of Scotland to get away from that crap, didn't want my kids being brought up in it. The whole time we have been here never once has religion been brought up here, no one cares, it's brilliant, apart from when we meet the Scottish and right on cue before they even ask your name the first question from their mouth is "what team do you support" so they can work out what religion you are!!! pathetic.

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Wikipedia article here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Boyne


Jeremy

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Northern Ireland - yes.
Ireland - no.



Jeremy

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There may be sectarianism in Australia (like anywhere) if you go looking hard for it, but it's not something the average person will come across day to day. Same goes for most of the UK (parts of Scotland and Northern Ireland excepted).

Historically the "Irish Catholic" vote in Australia tended to support the ALP (Labor) but that's much less defined now than it was in the past. If there are differences in the voting pattern of Australian Catholics versus Australian Protestants they're a lot less than they used to be.

Jeremy

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Bit of a mistake on my part in my earlier post in this thread then I said,
"If King James of England had won the day, the King of Spain would then hold the balance of power in Europe, leaving him free to invade Italy, & usurp the Papacy"

I meant of course, The King of France.

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Great, try telling this story down a pub on the Shankhill Road, you'd get about 2 paragraphs in before you get dragged outside and kneecapped.
Tell it down the Falls Road and you get the same results for telling it with an English accent....... :D