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Old Dec 20th 2010, 11:46 pm
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HI verystormy

what pays more and or has more opportunities Hydrogeologists or enviro's

I currently stand in both camps doing both for the last 9 years.

Over here in NZ they are almost interchangeable (in a non mining setting)

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Old Dec 20th 2010, 11:50 pm
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My guess would be Hydro, though its a close call and would vary site to site depending on what was more important to that site. I used to work at a big lead zinc mine where the big issue was preventing contamination of lead so the enviro was on good $$$.
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CV titvating over the christmas period here i come.

It seems i might be in demand.. or.. as i have no OZ exp.. i'll be buggered royally...!

oh well nothing ventured.. nothing gained
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I think you will be pleasently surprised
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Old Dec 21st 2010, 2:54 pm
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The nationality of the degree certainly doesnt matter. On site here we have a mix of nationalities - Oz, Kiwi, Brits and one guy from Belgium and one Canadian. What is more important is that the uni you chose has a good reputation.

The roles on a mine site for geologists include:
Open pit production - fast paced
Underground Production - fast paced and needs good 3D visualisation
Exploration - in pit, regional and underground - more hard science than other roles
Geotechincal underground - If you like structural geology
Geotech pit - If you like structural geology
GIS specialists - Making maps and sections
Resource geologists - Measuring the metal in the ground by maths and stats
Hydrogeologists - Finding and managing water
Enviros - Preventing damage to the environment and monitoring compliance
Database geologist - maintaing complex records
Many of these roles can then be divided up again into different specialisms such as i am Exploration but a Project Geologist. The interesting thing as well is that many people who study geology dont ever work in it. A lot of employers for other graduate training programs such as for buisness like geology grads because of the way in which we are taught to have to think outside the box and challenge ideas.

Of the people i went to Uni with, less than half went to work as geologists. Two joined the military as officers, one went into the police graduate program, two into teaching, a few into academia and several into general graduate training courses.
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n sites in Perth, regional areas and mine sites out in the sticks.

For the benefit of Laven, I did a geology degree in the UK and went on to work for a couple of years as an engineering geologist for a consulting firm doing site investigations mainly focusing on the design of building foundations with a bit of contaminated land remediation thrown in for good measure!

When we moved to Aus 6 years ago, i left the engineering behind and moved fully into contaminated land/enviro consulting which still incorporates a lot of geological first principles - In my opinion, geologists make the best enviro consultants as they have the fundamental understanding of soil conditions and how contaminants move through soils/rock - but any earth science degree will leave you suitably qualified to work in enviro consulting.

Apart from boring the sh*t out of everyone with my life story, the point of my post is to re-affirm that a geology degree can open up many career doors, and there certainly isn't any chance of environmental work drying up any time soon, and it obviously isn't anywhere near as sensitive to commodity prices as exploration (which is something i've always fancied trying, but i've probably left it too late now as i would have to start at the bottom...)
thanks for your help!! amazing how much info you shared on the profession.
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it is really good to have some insight into what its actually like

One thing.. been checking on seek etc..
Enviro work in mines seems to be paying about 20K (100 - 120K) more than enviro work in consultancies..non mining (80 - 100K) (Keep in mind that i am looking at lower positions than i would normally consider as i have never worked in a mine.. so hard to be too bullish.. when you know nowt!)

does that seem to stack up?

I'm always a little unsure on sites like seek.
Over here in NZ i see jobs advertsied say at 60 - 80K and i know that in actual fact the 80K is your starting point... but they must be seeing who lnows the market

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That sounds about right to me. Mining normally pays more than non mining and within mining it varies a bit on the commodity. At the moment the iron ore guys are paying the big bucks. I would say that $100-120 is probably about right for a junior (ish) role in mining. We wouldnt pay a new grad that, but probably someone with 1-2 years experience. But iron ore might pay more. Heck one of our field assistants is off to Rio on $137k which is more than i get.
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cheers verystormy

well.. i have about 4 to 6 months of contract work ( various clients) on my books at the moment.. so i might just let the other guys at work know i might be working "remotely" for a bit next year...

Make sure i have my kiwi passport ( i just use my brit one normally)... and have a wander over the ditch and see what is what!

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my hubby gets paid between 100-120k and he is not in mine, he works from home as a consultant, has about 9 years experience, think it depends what you ask for as all his mates in other companies get around that mark too and they are not in mines. He could get more in mining but not much more, and we decided it wasn't worth the bit of extra to be away from home all the time.

If you ask for more than advertised and you are good I think they will pay it given that there are not a lot of applicants around - good luck!
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Hi lauralollipop,

ooh.. do like to hear that they are looking for people and there is a shortage... bit like NZ about 4 years ago..!

I have to be relistic about not having A) OZ exp and B) no mining exp..

to be honest working in a mine wasnt something that i need to do as such.. but i could do with something much different.. different skills different action as it were..

Money wise.. converting to Oz from Kiwi i make about 85 to 100K.. so it has to be at least 90 - 100k to warrant the hassle... meh.. maybe not? i have the lucky position of working from home.. or anywhere really.. so i can still be doing bits n bobs on my NZ work.... which is why the mines sort of jumped out at me as a pontential.. if i have a week down time.. its enough to spend a day or 2 doing some of my NZ work..

plans ideas.. still got a few more months to chew it over.. mines or in town..

not a bad dilema to be in.. thats fo sure
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90-100k isn't a large salary in Perth its improtant to keep that in perspective. The thign to remember is that ok there are a few jobs now with the mining boom but in reality in terms of exploration australia has essentially been explored. Everyone is aware of where everything is.

Unless your over 50 and haven't been here for ages its really hard to comment on the future of the of the industry. in 97-98 there was a period where there wasn't one single geology job and many geos had to go overseas. My father for instance went to Russia like many. One you hit 50 if you lose your job your career is pretty much over. We have one guy in my dads office who at 55 or so is very very greatful for the 20 hrs he recieves a week.

The original question was is it a good long term career and realistically the answer simply is no.
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90-100k isn't a large salary in Perth its improtant to keep that in perspective. The thign to remember is that ok there are a few jobs now with the mining boom but in reality in terms of exploration australia has essentially been explored. Everyone is aware of where everything is.

Unless your over 50 and haven't been here for ages its really hard to comment on the future of the of the industry. in 97-98 there was a period where there wasn't one single geology job and many geos had to go overseas. My father for instance went to Russia like many. One you hit 50 if you lose your job your career is pretty much over. We have one guy in my dads office who at 55 or so is very very greatful for the 20 hrs he recieves a week.

The original question was is it a good long term career and realistically the answer simply is no.
Absaloute drivel. Do you realise that the average salary in Perth is $70k, so $100k is most definatly a good salary.

All the ground has been explored. Rubbish. We have projects in my company alone covering 20,000 km2 of green field ground. There are entire geological terranes that we are just realising are prospective. In the goldfields alone, more than half of the ground has never had a hole drilled.

Can there be down turns. Of course. But so does every industry. I have friends who were out of work for 3 years who are IT specialists a few years ago. You work through it, you adapt. Yes people move around sometimes - i have worked all over the world. That is an advantage not a negative. i started my career in North Africa looking for lead zinc, the price collapsed and so went to copper, then gold.

I dont know a single unemployed go at the moment of ANY age. If you do please get them to message me as i will have them here for interview asap. Heck, we have been ringing ex employees trying to get them to come out of retirment.

It is a great career that offers fantastic diversity, great security, lots of opportunity. I would like to know what career you would recomend instead?
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The Average salary is deceptive its really about 90-100k. How long have you been working in WA for?

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA ok mate. Firstly you can't compare the IT sector to Geology and your right people were forced to adapt and by adapt they had to leave the sector and find something else to do. Many people did other mining related jobs I've even met taxi drivers in Perth who were ex geos and new my dad.

In the Eighties it became clear that Exploration was finished infact many exploration companies went under. Your just part of the mining boom which is rechecking a few things but the reality is that in the mid to late eighties it became very clear that Exploration in Australia was finished.

Also you work on the mines. There are many people doing silly pointless jobs up there, I'm not sure but you could be one of them?
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History has shown that Geology is not good career choice. Anyone can earn 100k up on the mines I wouldn't be impressed by a geo earning the same money after a 4 year science degree. You can't compare the furture of the industry based on a once in 100 year boom which despite what people think or believe it's eventually going to stop. It's not going to go on like this forever and the need for geos like many before will be nil.
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Yeah sure, nothing left to be found. Ever heard of Tropicana? Ever heard of Sunrise Dam, ever heard of a million other deposits in exploration stage at the moment.

Sorry if your Dad had a hard time, but because one person had a hard time, that doesnt mean a industry has an issue.

So i am serious, if you know all these geo's that are out of work, send them to me. Or maybe you are telling a porkie?

No people dont have to adapt by leaving the industry, you just do something else within it.

No the average wage if anything is actually a fair bit lower - the $70k is published but like any average is slanted heavy due to the presence of a small amount of very high earners. Its probably closer to $50k.

Yes companies went under. And companies went under in the middle of the boom. Thats buisness. Pick up the paper and see how many are listed today - lots.

So how many years of experience in the industry have you got? 10? 20? Oh, no, your dad was in it for a bit. Sorry but that is a joke. Its like me spouting about the steel industry, something i know nothing about, because my dad was a tradie.

So you personaly know lots of people in a mine doing a pointless job. Please share. I would love to meet them. But no, again you just spout off with no facts to back yourself up.

You still havent answered the question either. What career would you suggest?
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