IT Future in OZ vs IT future in canada
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IT Future in OZ vs IT future in canada
Which is better for Software Engineers Australia or Canada?
Is Australia ahead of Canada in Software Exports?
Is Australia ahead of Canada in Software Exports?
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hanu <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Which is better for Software Engineers Australia or Canada? Is Australia ahead of
> Canada in Software Exports?
India is better. :-?
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> Which is better for Software Engineers Australia or Canada? Is Australia ahead of
> Canada in Software Exports?
India is better. :-?
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hanu <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Which is better for Software Engineers Australia or Canada? Is Australia ahead of
> Canada in Software Exports?
India is better. :-?
news:<[email protected]>...
> Which is better for Software Engineers Australia or Canada? Is Australia ahead of
> Canada in Software Exports?
India is better. :-?
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jason brown = james bond
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Hanu
1. I don't for one moment defend 'James Bond' (and I don't really care whether or
not he and Jason Brown are one and the same).
I would make a general point that if you do come to Australia you will have to get
used to a more robust sense of humour than you may have been used to (and probably
quite different to what you would get in Canada too). It's an issue for migrants from
the UK too - although you won't have to put up with all the pom jibes.
Don't confuse the Australian sense of humour with racism. A small number of
Australians are racist to some degree, but most are prepared to treat others as
equals regardless of their colour. You will need to adapt yourself to how
Australians think.
2. In Australia, you will almost certainly get rejected for jobs etc. until you find
the right one. That happens to everyone. Again, don't assume this will be the
result of racism - almost certainly it won't.
3. Culturally, Australia might be very different to what you are used to (although
if you've lived elsewhere outside your home country you should at least have
experienced culture shock before). Australians tend to be quite direct and mean
what they say, for example, which is a contrast to many Asian cultures (and is
different even to the UK).
Sometimes people can encounter what they think is racism simply by misunderstanding
differences in culture that exist between societies.
4. Australians will generally treat you as you treat them. If you're an open and
friendly sort of person, you should't have any problem integrating into
Australia. The reverse may also apply. People tend to reap what they sow in
relationships with others.
5. As far as your question itself is concerned, from what I've heard the IT job
market is quite bad in both Canada and Australia. Plus, both countries have a
plentiful supply of new undergraduates coming through the system who will be
competing for the limited number of entry and lower level IT jobs available over
the next few years.
You should be thinking about whether you want to stay in IT (depending on your
skills, ambitions and experience), or maybe try to do something else as a career
after migrating. Either way, in both Canada and Australia, you would be well served
by getting a Canadian/Australian (as appropriate) qualification.
As far as a comparison of the two countries IT industries is concerned, Canada has
more established home-grown companies and the benefit of proximity to the US.
Jeremy
>On 24 Jun 2002 06:06:59 -0700, [email protected] (Jason Brown) wrote:
>hanu <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:<[email protected]>...
>> Which is better for Software Engineers Australia or Canada? Is Australia ahead of
>> Canada in Software Exports?
>
>India is better. :-?
>On 24 Jun 2002 18:20:14 GMT, hanu <[email protected]> wrote:
>jason brown = james bond
>
>
>
>--
>Posted via http://britishexpats.com
1. I don't for one moment defend 'James Bond' (and I don't really care whether or
not he and Jason Brown are one and the same).
I would make a general point that if you do come to Australia you will have to get
used to a more robust sense of humour than you may have been used to (and probably
quite different to what you would get in Canada too). It's an issue for migrants from
the UK too - although you won't have to put up with all the pom jibes.
Don't confuse the Australian sense of humour with racism. A small number of
Australians are racist to some degree, but most are prepared to treat others as
equals regardless of their colour. You will need to adapt yourself to how
Australians think.
2. In Australia, you will almost certainly get rejected for jobs etc. until you find
the right one. That happens to everyone. Again, don't assume this will be the
result of racism - almost certainly it won't.
3. Culturally, Australia might be very different to what you are used to (although
if you've lived elsewhere outside your home country you should at least have
experienced culture shock before). Australians tend to be quite direct and mean
what they say, for example, which is a contrast to many Asian cultures (and is
different even to the UK).
Sometimes people can encounter what they think is racism simply by misunderstanding
differences in culture that exist between societies.
4. Australians will generally treat you as you treat them. If you're an open and
friendly sort of person, you should't have any problem integrating into
Australia. The reverse may also apply. People tend to reap what they sow in
relationships with others.
5. As far as your question itself is concerned, from what I've heard the IT job
market is quite bad in both Canada and Australia. Plus, both countries have a
plentiful supply of new undergraduates coming through the system who will be
competing for the limited number of entry and lower level IT jobs available over
the next few years.
You should be thinking about whether you want to stay in IT (depending on your
skills, ambitions and experience), or maybe try to do something else as a career
after migrating. Either way, in both Canada and Australia, you would be well served
by getting a Canadian/Australian (as appropriate) qualification.
As far as a comparison of the two countries IT industries is concerned, Canada has
more established home-grown companies and the benefit of proximity to the US.
Jeremy
>On 24 Jun 2002 06:06:59 -0700, [email protected] (Jason Brown) wrote:
>hanu <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:<[email protected]>...
>> Which is better for Software Engineers Australia or Canada? Is Australia ahead of
>> Canada in Software Exports?
>
>India is better. :-?
>On 24 Jun 2002 18:20:14 GMT, hanu <[email protected]> wrote:
>jason brown = james bond
>
>
>
>--
>Posted via http://britishexpats.com
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Re: IT Future in OZ vs IT future in canada
clap.....clap.....clap & clap Jeremy
A very nice and positive reply.
Ams
A very nice and positive reply.
Ams
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Thanks Jeremy for your reply.I have worked in UK( 4 months) and US as a Systems analyst but did not encounter racism as such openly. So,Australia hopefully wont be much of a culture shock.By the way,if I do masters,how much will be tution fees and living expenses as an immigrant( if i get through immigration)?
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>On 25 Jun 2002 18:20:17 GMT, hanu <[email protected]> wrote:
>Thanks Jeremy for your reply.I have worked in UK( 4 months) and US as a Systems
>analyst but did not encounter racism as such openly.
Having lived overseas will help you in adjusting to life in Australia. It's different
to both the UK and US - has some things in common with one, some with the other, and
some things unique to itself.
>So,Australia hopefully wont be much of a culture shock.By the way,if I do
>masters,how much will be tution fees
As a permanent resident you should be charged fees at the same rates that apply to
Australians. You'll need to check the website of the university you plan to study at.
You should also have a detailed look at the HECS website, although it doesn't apply
to many postgrad courses: http://www.hecs.gov.au
HECS rules are different for new permanent residents.
>and living expenses as an immigrant( if i get through immigration)?
Depends on how much beer you drink )
Seriously, living expenses can vary a lot, depending on your individual spending
patterns, and which city you study in (eg Adelaide vs Sydney). The handbook or
students union of the university you plan to attend might be able to help more.
A different option is part-time study.
You should also have a look at Austudy, although you won't be eligible for the first
2 years: http://www.centrelink.gov.au/interne...ts/austudy.htm
Regards
Jeremy
>Thanks Jeremy for your reply.I have worked in UK( 4 months) and US as a Systems
>analyst but did not encounter racism as such openly.
Having lived overseas will help you in adjusting to life in Australia. It's different
to both the UK and US - has some things in common with one, some with the other, and
some things unique to itself.
>So,Australia hopefully wont be much of a culture shock.By the way,if I do
>masters,how much will be tution fees
As a permanent resident you should be charged fees at the same rates that apply to
Australians. You'll need to check the website of the university you plan to study at.
You should also have a detailed look at the HECS website, although it doesn't apply
to many postgrad courses: http://www.hecs.gov.au
HECS rules are different for new permanent residents.
>and living expenses as an immigrant( if i get through immigration)?
Depends on how much beer you drink )
Seriously, living expenses can vary a lot, depending on your individual spending
patterns, and which city you study in (eg Adelaide vs Sydney). The handbook or
students union of the university you plan to attend might be able to help more.
A different option is part-time study.
You should also have a look at Austudy, although you won't be eligible for the first
2 years: http://www.centrelink.gov.au/interne...ts/austudy.htm
Regards
Jeremy