MichaelGsxr

Ok everyone, i read the responses and they were not very nice so i thought i would post my explanation! here it is: I have lived in australia as a student for 2 years and rcvd a masters degree from a uni in Sydney. i have dated an aussie girl for 1.5 years but she still lives at home with her mom and dad. i dont have enough points for PR even with my australian masters! i cant find a sponsor because my work experience sucks and my degree is very specialised and noone is interested (should have taken IT i guess). my girlfriend does not want to get married because she is very young (im 26, she is 19). she doesnt feel right about it because it wont be real, she is just not ready for it. do you understand what im going through!!?? the country i love wont have me and i have no other options!!!!:scared: i dont want to leave but i will have to unless i take drastic measures. if anyone has any ideas besides the really dodgy idea of a fake marriage then please help. i dont want to leave. my life is here now. i have 2 months before my visa is done and i dont qualify for a working holiday visa. thanks for reading.

Rjgauci

Well, firstly I agree with most of the responses you recieved about a fake marriage
being a silly idea. If you knew the actual pain that real spouses have to go through
to prove that their relationship is genuine (because of people like you) and the
period that we have to put our lifes on hold to get the go ahead with DIMA, then you
would know that what you are thinking of doing is just an insult to me and many
others in my position. You obviously have some intelligence, if you do have a masters
degree, so why dont you use this to think of a way to gain your extra 5 points? I am
sure if you put just as much effort into thinking about ways to gain work
experience/work, as you are into thinking of a fake marriage, then you will find a
way to legally stay in Australia. Why dont you ask your university to help you in
gaining employment? What did you study at university?


"MichaelGsxr" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Ok everyone, i read the responses and they were not very nice so i thought i would
    > post my explanation! here it is: I have lived in australia as a student for 2 years
    > and rcvd a masters degree from a uni in Sydney. i have dated an aussie girl for 1.5
    > years but she still lives at home with her mom and dad. i dont have enough points
    > for PR even with my australian masters! i cant find a sponsor because my work
    > experience sucks and my degree is very specialised and noone is interested (should
    > have taken IT i guess). my girlfriend does not want to get married because she is
    > very young (im 26, she is 19). she doesnt feel right about it because it wont be
    > real, she is just not ready for it. do you understand what im going through!!?? the
    > country i love wont have me and i have no other options!!!!:scared: i dont want to
    > leave but i will have to unless i take drastic measures. if anyone has any ideas
    > besides the really dodgy idea of a fake marriage then please help. i dont want to
    > leave. my life is here now. i have 2 months before my visa is done and i dont
    > qualify for a working holiday visa. thanks for reading.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

MichaelGsxr

I have thought of every single possibility but Australia is one tough country to migrate to! the only option I can think of is re-enrolling in a degree that will give me 60 points (my masters only gives me 50!) which would then give me 115. I just dont have the work experience to get sponsored by anyone, believe me, i have tried!! and i am in australia which makes it 10x easier than trying to get sponsored from overseas.. im think im going to have a nervous breakdown.

Rjgauci

Dont have a nervous breakdown! Australia is really tough and stressfull to migrate to
I know....but if re-enrolling in a degree will give you enough points and you really
want to stay in Australia that badly....well then there's your answer! You havent
said what degree you actually have, but you mentioned you should have done an IT
course. If the degree you have completed is similar to an IT course then perhaps you
should do an IT course and you will get credits if you have done similar subjects, so
then the course wont take you as long to complete....and then you'll have two
degrees, be highly employable and valuable, have enough points to migrate and be able
to do so legally!!!

"MichaelGsxr" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > I have thought of every single possibility but Australia is one tough country to
    > migrate to! the only option I can think of is re-enrolling in a degree that will
    > give me 60 points (my masters only gives me 50!) which would then give me 115. I
    > just dont have the work experience to get sponsored by anyone, believe me, i have
    > tried!! and i am in australia which makes it 10x easier than trying to get
    > sponsored from overseas.. im think im going to have a nervous breakdown.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Rob

In <[email protected]> MichaelGsxr wrote:
    > Ok everyone, i read the responses and they were not very nice

What do you expect ?.

Almost everyone here wants to emigrate to Aus, just like you and has gone (or will
go) through all the legal hoops set out by DIMA, and all the loooooooong delays
that entails.

You appear in this group/forum and ask for help to break Australian law. Anyone dumb
enough to help you break the law would be guilty of aiding and abetting for which
they could get a criminal record, or worse, be blocked from getting a Aus PR visa.

    > so i thought i would post my explanation! here it is: I have lived in australia as
    > a student for 2 years and rcvd a masters degree from a uni in Sydney. i have dated
    > an aussie girl for 1.5 years but she still lives at home with her mom and dad. i
    > dont have enough points for PR even with my australian masters! i cant find a
    > sponsor because my work experience sucks and my degree is very specialised and
    > noone is interested (should have taken IT i guess). my girlfriend does not want to
    > get married because she is very young (im 26, she is 19). she doesnt feel right
    > about it because it wont be real, she is just not ready for it. do you understand
    > what im going through!!??

It doesn't justify breaking the law and jumping the queue that the rest of us have
been waiting in for months or years. You'd be no better than those illegal immigrants
that show up on the beaches in Oz or on the back of a truck in an English port and
then claim asylum.

Don

Sorry to sound a bit negative but the points system is there to ensure Aus only accepts people as immigrants with a genuine proven skill. Your lack of points means only one thing - you are not yet qualified to get PR in Aus. You will have to go away and increase your points score (or, as you say, do a degree that gives you 60 points).

Tough.

Grub

That wasnt very nice. Also the comment about shirt lifter also was awful. My father was gay so please keep personal feelings off this site.

Don

OK shirtlifter duly deleted.

But there's no 'nice' about the points system - if this guy Michael had just posted saying 'here's my situation - can anyone help, what can I do?' he might have got a more sympathetic response. Rather than talking about fake marriages.

Grub

Apology accepted. I just feel sorry for the guy- ok maybe the fake marriage wasnt such a wise move (i actually thought it was a wind up). I am so pissed off with the whole system myself and i am nearly there (i think????)

Dailyoptic

    >OK shirtlifter duly deleted.
    >But there's no 'nice' about the points system - if this guy Michael had just posted
    >saying 'here's my situation - can anyone help, what can I do?' he might have got a
    >more sympathetic response. Rather than talking about fake marriages.

The idea of people in fake marriages moving to Australia is not as disturbing as
homophobics moving to Australia.

Consider that Australia is one of the few countries that even grants permanent
residency to gay couples on the basis of their relationship.

Immigrants built Australia and have made it what it is, but it's a shame that many of
them bring their bigoted attitudes with them.

Although it's unethical, someone immigrating on the basis of a fake marriage doesn't
hurt anyone else... but bigots do.

RNZ

There was somebody else in this thread going on about "doesn't hurt anyone else ..."

Either you are naive or you have your PR or you are not interested in the PR ......

Why do you think the PR process is so long-drawn - I don't think the case officers love to see loads of files staring at them - a few of these tricks - fake certs/docs and everybody is *%@*ed.

shaun/lor

actually that was me said it didnt hurt anyone else. and i was talking litraly.
and its probably you that is the naive one if you think that there is another way they could prove lasting relationships.
what do you think everyone should say of course were married or in long term relationship and they should believe you.
but the time thing is there to weed out the fakers, and to think there wouldnt be any is very very naive.

back to what i said and now glad i did. im not saying its ok to pretend a relationship but i did and still do admire the fact that this chap is willing to consider anything. as it turns out to be with his loved one.

Rob

In <[email protected]> shaun/lor wrote:
    > back to what i said and now glad i did. im not saying its ok to pretend a
    > relationship but i did and still do admire the fact that this chap is willing to
    > consider anything. as it turns out to be with his loved one.

We've only his word that she's his "loved one". He's willing to lie to the
authorities, how do we know he's not trying to marry the girl just for the visa ?.
She's not prepared to marry him. He's also prepared to marry another woman. How's
the girlfriend supposed to take that ?, as a sign of his love for her ?. The whole
thing stinks.

Dailyoptic

    >Originally posted by Dailyoptic:
    >> Although it's unethical, someone immigrating on the basis of a fake marriage
    >> doesn't hurt anyone else...
    >There was somebody else in this thread going on about "doesn't hurt anyone else ..."
    >Either you are naive or you have your PR or you are not interested in the PR ......
    >Why do you think the PR process is so long-drawn - I don't think the case officers
    >love to see loads of files staring at them - a few of these tricks - fake certs/docs
    >and everybody is *%@*ed.

What are you talking about? Do you think I was condoning fake marriages?

Don

I fail to see anything homophobic or bigoted or ignorant in my original post which was a harmless bit of fun. I suggest it is you Dailyoptic who have the problem. I am perfectly relaxed about homosexuality and treat homosexuals the same as anybody else. My post was just indicative of the fact that I find 'politically correct' posting formulae absurd - to include making a bit of a joke about the way homosexual men might dress in stereotype is just a way of including them in normal life, the way I might make harmless fun of someone's pot belly, big nose, shaven arse etc. Get off your high horse - I know Australia reasonably well and it is a land of calling a spade a spade and coarse humour being accepted by most. You seem to object because someone has dared to mention homosexuality without being one himself (but what do you know about that?), being empathetic enough to homosexality or treating homosexuality with enough reverence.