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Originally Posted by stuckinblighty
I just wanted to move somewhere where i could sit in the garden for a few nights of the year with a beer in hand but it seems that its gonna cost me an arm and a leg Margaret

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Lee we came with $20,000 , now have £15,000 left, we are both working and have two kids, it depends also how you wanna live, if thats what you want, then i would say do it, if your looking for a big house with a pool, then i would say dont do it If i'm honest with you i hoped hubby who is a printer would get a better paid job than in scotland , which he has, but not much more than he was earning. He loves it here, and i will have to drag him back kicking and screaming, may have to drag teen back the same way.....................

as i said we are strongly considering going back, at 43 , i want some security, we could still get a mortgage and afford a wee house in scotland , but right now i cant see that ever happening here, howeve i have absolutely no regrets about doing it, it has given us all a great experience, and when people say its an emotional rollercoaster, believe me it is!!
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Originally Posted by Margaret3
sorry to hear that jo!!


the patient i was talking to was diagnosed with prostate cancer and denied he had private health insurance coz he said he would have had to make up the 'differnce' and couldn't afford it, therefore he got it done in the public sector at no cost its madness the health care system here, however i here that a large private health company is starting to investigate some areas of the health care here.
They asked me if I had private and I said whats the difference they said nothing to you but the hospital gets some from you health scheme, hey I thought give the hospital some. Never asked for a gap payment. But it does give you the option to move to a private hospital and choose your specialist. My specialist works next door to me so I am happy.

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Old Mar 1st 2008, 5:13 am
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Originally Posted by Margaret3
Lee we came with $20,000 , now have £15,000 left, we are both working and have two kids, it depends also how you wanna live, if thats what you want, then i would say do it, if your looking for a big house with a pool, then i would say dont do it If i'm honest with you i hoped hubby who is a printer would get a better paid job than in scotland , which he has, but not much more than he was earning. He loves it here, and i will have to drag him back kicking and screaming, may have to drag teen back the same way.....................

as i said we are strongly considering going back, at 43 , i want some security, we could still get a mortgage and afford a wee house in scotland , but right now i cant see that ever happening here, howeve i have absolutely no regrets about doing it, it has given us all a great experience, and when people say its an emotional rollercoaster, believe me it is!!
The thing is margaret when you mention money and the cost of stuff in this forum you get attacked for being materialistic.
The same as many other people i have children to consider in all this.If it was just me and the missus it would be easier to make the move.

When you have no money it aint no fun...no matter how nice the beaches and bbq's are.

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Originally Posted by stuckinblighty
The thing is margaret when you mention money and the cost of stuff in this forum you get attacked for being materialistic.
The same as many other people i have children to consider in all this.If it was just me and the missus it would be easier to make the move.

When you have no money it aint no fun...no matter how nice the beaches and bbq's are.

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you sound very wise to me lee
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Originally Posted by Margaret3
you sound very wise to me lee
PMSL

If i was i dont think i would have started all this 'moving to aus' cobblers


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Originally Posted by stuckinblighty
PMSL

If i was i dont think i would have started all this 'moving to aus' cobblers


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i've blamed our move on a 'mid-life crisis'
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Originally Posted by Margaret3
i've blamed our move on a 'mid-life crisis'
i'm due one of those,can't wait to get the hot younger woman that comes with it
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There is an article in the West today (page 9) saying that due to the worldwide food shortage beef and lamb are going up by 20% here. Also veg prices are increasing.

I don't know how to post links so maybe some clever person can. It's an interesting read. I appreciate that food is going up in price all over the world but when you are earning ozzie dollars it seems to hit harder.
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Originally Posted by paul76
If i dont get a 60 pointer from the TRA i will be re-thinking my move to Australia.

In the last 4 years i have worked my @ss into the ground.

To come over to Australia and barely be able to buy a flat way out of the city on a much lower wage and that coupled with exchange rates.

Its not about money for me but i have had a mortgage since i was 23 and im now 31.

I dont want to go backwards in life as im sure we all dont want.

Atleast if i get a skilled independent visa it will last for 5 years when verified.
I think there is a lot of hype about the real estate market .Don't know where you are going but put Vertu Perth WA into google and they will give you a lot of info ,plans on houses ,photo's etc.There are a lot of new and lived in properties in both Perth and Adelaide for under 400K.Forrestdale is semi rural and probably 15-20 mins into perth,lot of land opening up there now.I think 3 bed 2 bath houses start at around 380K,they are far better than the council houses I grew up in ,they would probably sell for around 200,000 quid in the the UK now.
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Originally Posted by stuckinblighty

When you have no money it aint no fun...no matter how nice the beaches and bbq's are.

Lee
Very well put.

I would advise anybody with doubts not to move to Australia. WA has plenty of jobs but outside of the mines they don't seem as well paying as you might imagine.

With high interest rates, a dreadful exchange rate, house prices, lack of rentals and inflation, this has got be one of the worst times to emigrate to Australia.
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Originally Posted by Margaret3
really sounds like he has to do alot more reading on this forum









quick note he only mentions english, the scottish, irish and welsh doent even exist in this plonkers eyes
Firstly, I do apologise for not mentionnig the scottish, irish etc......... didn't think you wanted to be lumped in with that enbglish lot though anyway



And in relation to the costs of living in each country, I don't think that I have to do much reading, (although I ahve been reading this forum almost daily for 2 years.... and contributing daily for the past year)

My comments come from experience, and, like I said, I live half my life in Australia and half in the UK....so I'm pretty well experienced to comment - I have done the London - Sydney flight more than 20 times and the last decade I've spent pretty much as much time in the UK as Australia....

Everyone's experiences are different, as are their priorities - I LOVE both places, I love the UK for many things (pubs, ease of travel to europe, I love London, I love how busy it is...... I could go on) But there is also much that I love about Australia (I'm a keen surfer, I love the beach, I love the lifestyle, I love being outside, I love the friendly people......).

In my experience, and based on my lifestyle and priorities, I think Australia offers more to me (without a doubt)...... my lifestyle here, and my home, are far beyond what I could have in the UK, but this comes from having priorotoes taht revolve around being happy, enjoying life and having a lifestyle that, in my opininon, I could not better in the UK...

I'm not here to argue, because your experience is obviously different than mine, and that is fine .... I wholeheartedly agree that you can't move to Australia to inprove your financial situation - my last move cost me near to ten thousand pounds to start with..... and to think that people come here, sit on the beach with a schooner of forsters and survey the beach everyday is misleading....

But don't presume to tell me that I need to do more reading..... if you don't like the fact that I'm happy here, and that Australia offers more for my life, than thats up to you, but I suggest you take your unapporving tone and head of the hills.....leave me to my surfing, my coffee overlooking the beach and a life that I'm pretty damn happy with.....

And on that note, I'll have to leave you........ from my balcony I can see that the predicted southerly swell is producing some pretty mean looking 6 foot sets at the local beach....and I ahve a new surfboard thats itching to be ridden.......


ahhhhh.....this is the life.......
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Very well put.

I would advise anybody with doubts not to move to Australia...

Its interesting how many people are giving the 'dont do it' advice even Badger, that really surprised me.

I wouldnt say that at all, and I have always been quite open about australias many problems, BUT what happened to all the people doing it for the experience, relaxed lifestyle, healthier lifestyle, less crime, drugs, etc etc etc and the many many posters who said Uk was a dump had to get out, just because the exchange rates dropped what happened to all those reasons. Bit like dumping your true love cause it got a pay cut

Turns out it was all about money
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where do you have "cheap Australia"?

I compare prices and see is more expensive than the UK ii almost everything; everyday shoppings; checkprice:
http://www.tesco.com/todayattesco/pricecheck.shtml
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http://www.sainsburys.com/groceries/...=1204357213045


i see one whole fresh chicken costs: 2.66£/kg, here over 10$

or beer, i used to buy one box of 18 cans (carlsberg) for 10£, here 6 small cans costs at least 13$, now i see Sainsbury's sells a box - 24 cans of Carling for 12.98£
vegetables - red peppers in the UK I used to pay about 0,7£ per unit, here almost 10$/kg;

do you think petrol ich cheaper here? how much did you pay in the UK, weekly petrol bill? here i had "only" 60 km one way to my workplace, so 120 km daily,
wages for the same job, in the UK i had over 1400£ monthly after tax, here i was offered 17$/h, i showed my english payslips, so got 20$/h, but still was much less than my english salary, i converted $/£ it looks like here i had little more than 1000£ after tax; so this is a difference earning for the same job 1000 and 1400;
cars in Oz are 3 times more expensive than in the UK; car insurance also expensive;
do you still think australia is cheaper? see airfares, from the UK to spain a flight lasts about 3 hours, and costed me 70£, here on the same distance is more expensive, flight from Melbourne to Cairns, lasts also about 3 hours and costs over 400$ (200£); you can calculate costs of living in both countries within 5 years, including all bills, holidays, shoppings, you will see that in the UK after 5 years you will save more money, even including council tax, and Gordon's Brown tax ideas;

I really think to come back, Australia WAS cheaper than the UK, but is not now; I see my bills from Coles and Wollworth, luckily I shop in chinatowns, is cheaper; the same items here are at least 3 times more expensive;

in Melbourne i visited british consulate, fantastic, no queue, few australians only, and i was asked about appoinment, so do i need an appoitment? yes, lot of australians gets working visas to go to the UK, very long queue, waiting takes few weeks, i asked them why? they wanna go stay in the UK permanently, because Australia became too expensive I was told,

public health service, very dodgy in both countries, but in australia you must pay additional few $;
public transport - London Tube is dodgy, but Connex is Melbourne is worse

who more wants to come back to the UK?
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Not true about cars that are new though hubby has just got a mazda cx7 for $42k in the UK £24k. Second hand cars are a bit pricey. Look at the end of the day if you have doubts dont do it, if you want to give it a go then rent out your house and do it that way.

Capsicum (red peppers are $4 a kilo here. Beef joint $25 for a big whole rump cut into 3 huge joints. Australia is still seasonal on its fruit and veggies. Washing powder is cheaper here. These are my observations and maybe not everyone elses. I buy things when they are on offer and the selection is much less, you have to make food from scratch as not so much convienence food.

Weather apart from this summer usually much nicer, beaches beautiful, pool in garden fab, coffees at the local cafe outside magic, birds fabulous, wages for us better, house better, disposable cash better, flights are getting cheaper and cairns is bout 4 hours from Melbourne as its 3 hours from Sydney we did it last year 5x adult flights cost us about £125 return each. Adelaide to sydney one way $79. Spain is only 1.5-2 hours away.

We have been lucky.

I can live with the negatives as the positives make up for it.

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Originally Posted by jad n rich
Its interesting how many people are giving the 'dont do it' advice even Badger, that really surprised me.

I wouldnt say that at all, and I have always been quite open about australias many problems, BUT what happened to all the people doing it for the experience, relaxed lifestyle, healthier lifestyle, less crime, drugs, etc etc etc and the many many posters who said Uk was a dump had to get out, just because the exchange rates dropped what happened to all those reasons. Bit like dumping your true love cause it got a pay cut

Turns out it was all about money
Not quite. I'm all for adventure BUT I wouldn't sell the family jewels for it.

Sideways shift in career or even take a step backwards - yes - but that's about it. Perth house prices are, compared what you can get in the UK, massively out of line. The thought of selling our house in the UK to buy an overpriced hen-house here gives me sleepless nights.

This, coupled with a relatively (in historical terms) dreadful exchange rate and retail interest rates of 8% and set to go higher and the number of people on here who, after 3 months say "I've made a dreadful mistake" makes it a huge, huge gamble these days.
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