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Old Sep 28th 2005, 12:10 pm
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Not a thread for everyone, but has anybody had experience of trying to get acknoledged as a proffessional engineer and only being able to get a technologist code even with a HND and 20 years experience. The engineer asco codes open up many more opportunitie but it wouls appear that you have to have a degree (no experience req) to get this classification. Any views good or bad welcome

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Default Re: enhgineers v technologists?

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Hi all

Not a thread for everyone, but has anybody had experience of trying to get acknoledged as a proffessional engineer and only being able to get a technologist code even with a HND and 20 years experience. The engineer asco codes open up many more opportunitie but it wouls appear that you have to have a degree (no experience req) to get this classification. Any views good or bad welcome

Mick
Could be wrong but I though if you didn't have a Engineering degree but had years of experience, I thought you could do a CDR (competancy demonstration report) with the IEAust to have your skill assessed- my hubbie had honours in manufacturing systems engineering so didn't have to take this route but I remember reading about the other way of having skills assessed was a CDR.

Good luck,
Lynn

p.s just checked briefly on the website and there is a pathway in the application kit explaining what route you would have to take to have your skills assessed

http://www.ieaust.org.au/find/osqa.html

at a glance it seems only degree level graduates can be assessed as a professional engineer but there does seems to be other options - best of luck.

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Default Re: enhgineers v technologists?

Originally Posted by mickagnew
Hi all

Not a thread for everyone, but has anybody had experience of trying to get acknoledged as a proffessional engineer and only being able to get a technologist code even with a HND and 20 years experience. The engineer asco codes open up many more opportunitie but it wouls appear that you have to have a degree (no experience req) to get this classification. Any views good or bad welcome
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Mick,
experience will alway's be required to get recognition. An approved degree may be the minimum education level required. An interview is also normally conducted with a pannel.

The best route might be through mutual recognition. They do recognise chartered IEE, you could alway's go for that in the UK and then transfer before going to Oz!

The institutions have dfferent "qualification" levels dependant on when you passed your qualifications, a bit web trawling and reading on the IEE web site is required.


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Mick,
experience will alway's be required to get recognition. An approved degree may be the minimum education level required. An interview is also normally conducted with a pannel.

The best route might be through mutual recognition. They do recognise chartered IEE, you could alway's go for that in the UK and then transfer before going to Oz!

The institutions have dfferent "qualification" levels dependant on when you passed your qualifications, a bit web trawling and reading on the IEE web site is required.


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Thanks for the info guys

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The engineer asco codes open up many more opportunitie but it wouls appear that you have to have a degree (no experience req) to get this classification. Any views good or bad welcome

Mick
May have misunderstood you so apologies if this dosnt help but..... How does engineers asco code for prof. class help?
Get classed as a engineering technologist - you get to apply for a 60 point occupation ....you then put in the main app to DIMIA and make sure your job experience meets the requirements for the 60 point occupation and then you get your visa
Maybe there is more to your story but this is the route. Being classed as professional or technologist doesnt make any difference as points are the same. Also doesnt affect the jobs you can apply for.

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May have misunderstood you so apologies if this dosnt help but..... How does engineers asco code for prof. class help?
Get classed as a engineering technologist - you get to apply for a 60 point occupation ....you then put in the main app to DIMIA and make sure your job experience meets the requirements for the 60 point occupation and then you get your visa
Maybe there is more to your story but this is the route. Being classed as professional or technologist doesnt make any difference as points are the same. Also doesnt affect the jobs you can apply for.
Because if you are going STNI or SIR the asco codes only apply to certian areas and states ie STNI for professional on list for PR in WA but not for technologist therefore cant go there. Therefore very important to get right code unless you are lucky enougth to have the 120 points, I have 115 being just over 35.

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Mick,
experience will alway's be required to get recognition. An approved degree may be the minimum education level required. An interview is also normally conducted with a pannel.
For IEAUST skill assessment at professional level, there's no interview as far as I know. It's either based on a Washington/Sydney Accord qualification, or doing a CDR.


The best route might be through mutual recognition. They do recognise chartered IEE, you could alway's go for that in the UK and then transfer before going to Oz!
The UK CEng designation *in itself* does not allow you to get a Washington Accord assessment. You need to have an undergraduate degree accredited for CEng by an Engineering Council UK member institute. That said, CEng might well still be respected by Australian employers.

To the original poster I'd suggest looking at whether you could get a professional engineer assessment by doing a CDR. Whether it's possible if you don't have a degree is an open question, but you should find out for definite.

You'd need to be sure you could safeguard your Sydney Accord entitlement (if applicable) if the CDR application didn't work - you really need a good agent familiar with IEAUST processes (not all are).


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Originally Posted by JAJ
For IEAUST skill assessment at professional level, there's no interview as far as I know. It's either based on a Washington/Sydney Accord qualification, or doing a CDR.




The UK CEng designation *in itself* does not allow you to get a Washington Accord assessment. You need to have an undergraduate degree accredited for CEng by an Engineering Council UK member institute. That said, CEng might well still be respected by Australian employers.

To the original poster I'd suggest looking at whether you could get a professional engineer assessment by doing a CDR. Whether it's possible if you don't have a degree is an open question, but you should find out for definite.

You'd need to be sure you could safeguard your Sydney Accord entitlement (if applicable) if the CDR application didn't work - you really need a good agent familiar with IEAUST processes (not all are).


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Originally Posted by mickagnew
Because if you are going STNI or SIR the asco codes only apply to certian areas and states ie STNI for professional on list for PR in WA but not for technologist therefore cant go there. Therefore very important to get right code unless you are lucky enougth to have the 120 points, I have 115 being just over 35.

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Ah I see. Assumed 136 when i didnt see it in post. Sorry
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