Education Uk v Oz
Jan 14th 2016, 10:51 pm
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If you look at the VCE scores you will see that very few independent schools are at the top, and usually they are the ones near the CBD. When I looked at the public vs. private schools in the eastern suburbs I found they were scoring similar. Plus, the public schools had their own playing field on-site - a luxury to me because I got used to getting the bus when I were a lad. In my mind, I couldn't fathom paying the $20k, but that's me.
Some people go to private school for connections. These sort of connections? Ties that bind prove a private education has its awards. I think the old boys' club does exist but in the sort of school where money begets money: the established private school near the CBD that is very expensive. Connections involves keeping in-touch, maintaining the alumni. Does the school have an active old boys' club, e.g., Home If not, what connections are you buying?
My daughter mentioned that when she was out with work colleagues they got around to talking about which school they went to. She told me that some were amazed that she went to a public school. Didn't stop her getting into Melbourne. I think it's the uni that you went to that is far more important.
The key thing to remember is that we are lucky to have a choice between a good public or a good private school.
Some people go to private school for connections. These sort of connections? Ties that bind prove a private education has its awards. I think the old boys' club does exist but in the sort of school where money begets money: the established private school near the CBD that is very expensive. Connections involves keeping in-touch, maintaining the alumni. Does the school have an active old boys' club, e.g., Home If not, what connections are you buying?
My daughter mentioned that when she was out with work colleagues they got around to talking about which school they went to. She told me that some were amazed that she went to a public school. Didn't stop her getting into Melbourne. I think it's the uni that you went to that is far more important.
The key thing to remember is that we are lucky to have a choice between a good public or a good private school.
Jan 15th 2016, 4:24 am
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Re: Education Uk v Oz
If you look at the VCE scores you will see that very few independent schools are at the top, and usually they are the ones near the CBD. When I looked at the public vs. private schools in the eastern suburbs I found they were scoring similar. Plus, the public schools had their own playing field on-site - a luxury to me because I got used to getting the bus when I were a lad. In my mind, I couldn't fathom paying the $20k, but that's me.
Some people go to private school for connections. These sort of connections? Ties that bind prove a private education has its awards. I think the old boys' club does exist but in the sort of school where money begets money: the established private school near the CBD that is very expensive. Connections involves keeping in-touch, maintaining the alumni. Does the school have an active old boys' club, e.g., Home If not, what connections are you buying?
My daughter mentioned that when she was out with work colleagues they got around to talking about which school they went to. She told me that some were amazed that she went to a public school. Didn't stop her getting into Melbourne. I think it's the uni that you went to that is far more important.
The key thing to remember is that we are lucky to have a choice between a good public or a good private school.
Some people go to private school for connections. These sort of connections? Ties that bind prove a private education has its awards. I think the old boys' club does exist but in the sort of school where money begets money: the established private school near the CBD that is very expensive. Connections involves keeping in-touch, maintaining the alumni. Does the school have an active old boys' club, e.g., Home If not, what connections are you buying?
My daughter mentioned that when she was out with work colleagues they got around to talking about which school they went to. She told me that some were amazed that she went to a public school. Didn't stop her getting into Melbourne. I think it's the uni that you went to that is far more important.
The key thing to remember is that we are lucky to have a choice between a good public or a good private school.
Jan 16th 2016, 3:28 pm
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But there's private schools and there's private schools. Good connections might come from some of those that charge $30K (or whatever) per annum. But then there's the Catholic private schools (and others of their ilk), that charge nothing of the sort. They don't have the same sort of connections and there's no real difference between those and public schools. (IMHO obviously.)
My local state school near the city has a higher ICSEA rating than many/most private/catholic/christian schools in the suburbs.
I went to a mid tier private school and no-one at my work cares (rightly so). It is achievement based. It also offered me far less facilities/extra curricular activities than the local state school currently does. It has an amazing array of options and life experiences (travel, dance, music, sport, social, societal, elite programmes etc) without the down sides of snobbery, religion and single sex.
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Jan 16th 2016, 3:37 pm
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On the other hand, not long before I left, the Group CFO of my employer revealed in a staff town hall that he went to state school. Wouldn't get a reaction in the UK, in fact you wouldn't even mention it, but it was something that drew audible gasps of disbelief in Australia! Most of the audience were amazed that it were possible to reach these dizzy heights with a state education.
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On the other hand, not long before I left, the Group CFO of my employer revealed in a staff town hall that he went to state school. Wouldn't get a reaction in the UK, in fact you wouldn't even mention it, but it was something that drew audible gasps of disbelief in Australia! Most of the audience were amazed that it were possible to reach these dizzy heights with a state education.
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Jan 19th 2016, 4:47 am
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Basically all you need to know is that both countries have excellent education systems and the end product is roughly the same
Saying that, I'm glad that my son is being educated here and not in the UK
Hope this helps
Saying that, I'm glad that my son is being educated here and not in the UK
Hope this helps
Jan 19th 2016, 8:33 am
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8 of the top 10 high schools in NSW are State schools.
Jan 19th 2016, 11:08 am
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And every single one of those 8 are selective schools.
So they're not exactly populated by your average Australian High School student.
In 2015, the first non-selective state high school comes in at number 49, I believe. All the higher ranked schools are either selective state schools or private schools.
So they're not exactly populated by your average Australian High School student.
In 2015, the first non-selective state high school comes in at number 49, I believe. All the higher ranked schools are either selective state schools or private schools.
Jan 19th 2016, 11:14 am
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It's not a question I ever really understand. If you're here you won't use UK education and if you're in the UK you won't use Aus education. You don't decide on whether to live in a country because of the schools. Generally speaking.
However as it's not the question the OP asked it doesn't really matter.
However as it's not the question the OP asked it doesn't really matter.
Jan 19th 2016, 11:27 am
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It's not a question I ever really understand. If you're here you won't use UK education and if you're in the UK you won't use Aus education. You don't decide on whether to live in a country because of the schools. Generally speaking.
However as it's not the question the OP asked it doesn't really matter.
However as it's not the question the OP asked it doesn't really matter.
Jan 19th 2016, 2:25 pm
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Here in Perth the only people that ever ask me which school my children attend are fellow Brits. When I told a group of brits at a function that I had taken my eldest out of an OK private school to send her to one of the worst schools in my area you could hear the tumbleweed for miles!!
Jan 19th 2016, 7:10 pm
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And every single one of those 8 are selective schools.
So they're not exactly populated by your average Australian High School student.
In 2015, the first non-selective state high school comes in at number 49, I believe. All the higher ranked schools are either selective state schools or private schools.
So they're not exactly populated by your average Australian High School student.
In 2015, the first non-selective state high school comes in at number 49, I believe. All the higher ranked schools are either selective state schools or private schools.
university high a state school in Parkville Melbourne is rated 8th in Australia on female education.....catchment comes first in all Victorian schools afaik...as for business look up uni highs alumni.
The only state school in melbourne that i know of as selective is victoria college of the arts.
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Jan 19th 2016, 8:16 pm
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And every single one of those 8 are selective schools.
So they're not exactly populated by your average Australian High School student.
In 2015, the first non-selective state high school comes in at number 49, I believe. All the higher ranked schools are either selective state schools or private schools.
So they're not exactly populated by your average Australian High School student.
In 2015, the first non-selective state high school comes in at number 49, I believe. All the higher ranked schools are either selective state schools or private schools.
Jan 19th 2016, 8:27 pm
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At the weekend I spent some time with some of the guys I went to Aussie public school with. Top guys and very good old mates. 2 of them are plumbers and I was chatting to them about plumbing and who they work for and what their aspirations were. We got on to the topic of owning your own business and neither were interested in following that path and thought it was such a foreign idea. We also talked about the idea of doing an overseas holiday ..... again a very foreign idea .... one said he didn't even have a passport.
There are a few guys who I went to private school with who weren't the brightest sparks and ended up being tradesmen. All of them now run their own plumbing and electrical businesses, and are my regular ski buddies in Europe and the US.
Of course this scenario doesn't apply to all, but as someone who attended both, whilst private school education may not assist the brightest, it does give the average population a little bit extra beyond an education.
There are a few guys who I went to private school with who weren't the brightest sparks and ended up being tradesmen. All of them now run their own plumbing and electrical businesses, and are my regular ski buddies in Europe and the US.
Of course this scenario doesn't apply to all, but as someone who attended both, whilst private school education may not assist the brightest, it does give the average population a little bit extra beyond an education.
Jan 19th 2016, 9:01 pm
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Here in Perth the only people that ever ask me which school my children attend are fellow Brits. When I told a group of brits at a function that I had taken my eldest out of an OK private school to send her to one of the worst schools in my area you could hear the tumbleweed for miles!!
Jan 20th 2016, 1:22 am
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No, not in NSW. Only prerequisite is you need to pass the entrance exams. The ordinary high schools have catchments for the non-selective students.
There are a few dual selective/non-selective schools. These are schools which have two streams; the selective stream and the normal stream.
All the Sydney selective schools are very popular with Asian parents who tend to look only at the final year exam results when choosing a school. They support a huge industry of coaching colleges which exist only to get primary school kids into these selective schools.
There are a few dual selective/non-selective schools. These are schools which have two streams; the selective stream and the normal stream.
All the Sydney selective schools are very popular with Asian parents who tend to look only at the final year exam results when choosing a school. They support a huge industry of coaching colleges which exist only to get primary school kids into these selective schools.