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Trekrider Sep 7th 2005 12:11 am

Re: Dogs Disaster
 

Originally Posted by arkon
No you cant do this, I'f you skip the lepto jab you won't have an up to date and complete vacination card in the eyes of the Ausie vets and even the official UK gov vet will reject it. You need to give the jab a good six months before leaving and make sure the vacination card gets all its correct stickers and signatures on it.

Not quite true I'm afraid. You can have all the jabs you need for Oz without the Lepto - we did. We don't believe in vaccination but had to have it done to get our dog and two cats into Oz. Just ask the vet to give the required ones without the Lepto, they can do this quite easily. :)

Timber Floor Au Sep 7th 2005 12:13 am

Re: Dogs Disaster
 

Originally Posted by Trekrider
Not quite true I'm afraid. You can have all the jabs you need for Oz without the Lepto - we did. We don't believe in vaccination but had to have it done to get our dog and two cats into Oz. Just ask the vet to give the required ones without the Lepto, they can do this quite easily. :)

The limit I thought was 3 months prior to bloods, which is a SET time prior to dog departure.

But yes, dont get LEPTO done lol

Most vets are well aware of this... will post a thread on OZZY JABS just to please yas :)

Trekrider Sep 7th 2005 12:27 am

Re: Dogs Disaster
 

Originally Posted by Timber Floor Au
The limit I thought was 3 months prior to bloods, which is a SET time prior to dog departure.

But yes, dont get LEPTO done lol

Most vets are well aware of this... will post a thread on OZZY JABS just to please yas :)

The limit is at least 14 days and not more than 12 months before travel. The blood test is within 30 days of travel.
The required vaccinations are:
Distemper, Hepatitis, Parvovirus, ParaInfluenza and Bordatella.

Hope this helps :)

Timber Floor Au Sep 7th 2005 12:29 am

Re: Dogs Disaster
 

Originally Posted by Trekrider
The limit is at least 14 days and not more than 12 months before travel. The blood test is within 30 days of travel.
The required vaccinations are:
Distemper, Hepatitis, Parvovirus, ParaInflenza and Bordatella.

Hope this helps :)

No perhaps you misunderstood me , I wasnt asking your advice or indeed asking for the Vaccines.

As far as i was aware , Lepto should not be administered within 3 mnths of Blood Tests

arkon Sep 7th 2005 12:33 am

Re: Dogs Disaster
 

Originally Posted by Trekrider
Not quite true I'm afraid. You can have all the jabs you need for Oz without the Lepto - we did. We don't believe in vaccination but had to have it done to get our dog and two cats into Oz. Just ask the vet to give the required ones without the Lepto, they can do this quite easily. :)

Well this is not what happened to us. The official gov vet refused to sign off the dog. We had to find all the previous vaccination cards to prove the history of the dog before he reluctantly sighed the dog off. Even after signing the dog off he told us that it might still not be accepted on the plane by the airport vet! We learnt a valuable lesson not to listen to anyones advice not even the people who we paid to get the dogs here. Don't even listen to the advice your getting here. Download the AQIS checklist from there site and that lays out an exact timeline with tick boxes follow it and you can't go wrong. We didn't and took paid for advice that ended up causing one of the most stressful couple of days we have ever had. Don't forget your normal vat can and might get it wrong as only the official gov vet knows for sure what he will or will not let through.

In our situation we went to the vet 9 months from departure and he told us not to bother with lepto passed the 6 months to go point because of the risk of a failed test. We paid for this advice and so didn't get the lepto jab. 3 months to go another vet looked at his card and said you definitely need the jab but now its too late!

As for not believing in vaccinations your playing Russian roulette with your dogs life out here if you don't get it done.

Another snag we encountered when we got here. we were told not to bother with heartworm until after they leave quarantine. So we took the advice and waited until release. The problem with this is you now need to have a blood test done before getting the heartworm treatment. Whereas if you get it done whilst the dog is in quarantine you won’t need the blood test. And after the number of jabs etc your poor dog has had up to this point, skipping one more jab must be a good idea.

jensteve Sep 7th 2005 12:37 am

Re: Dogs Disaster
 

Originally Posted by arkon
No you cant do this, I'f you skip the lepto jab you won't have an up to date and complete vacination card in the eyes of the Ausie vets and even the official UK gov vet will reject it. You need to give the jab a good six months before leaving and make sure the vacination card gets all its correct stickers and signatures on it.


The lepto vaccine over here is not a requirement, so you don't have to have it done. The paperwork you get from quarantine says this in it. My vet substituted it with sterile water and hey presto doggy passed with flying colours.
Oh another good point the whole blood testing for heartworm is a bit of a rip off, it doesn't show much other than if your dog has it, and if you treat your dog it won't drop dead, my vets the people I work with don't agree with it and say its a waste of time and money.

Jenny

Timber Floor Au Sep 7th 2005 12:39 am

Re: Dogs Disaster
 
You are playing with your dogs life if you dont get Vaccines done.

I particularly have no time for ppl whos prejudice and beliefs are above animals welfare.

Not having a dig at the guy posting here, because I am not quoting circumstance.

But have you seen what HEARTWORM does to a dog ???

ITS devastating. All because of Mozzies !!

Have you seen what PARVO does ??

Vet from Sunnybak vets came out 2 weeks ago to do 1st puppy jabs, she remarked that in Woodridge and Inala, they see 3-6 cases in 1 of their surgeries each week for Parvo. NO OTHER areas !

Dont piss about with your animals welfare JAB THE BUGGERS

Timber Floor Au Sep 7th 2005 12:41 am

Re: Dogs Disaster
 

Originally Posted by jensteve
The lepto vaccine over here is not a requirement, so you don't have to have it done. The paperwork you get from quarantine says this in it. My vet substituted it with sterile water and hey presto doggy passed with flying colours.

Jenny

Your dog cannot show traces of LEPTO in blood. UK side.

Why would your vet inject sterile water as a substitute, and where, Uk or Oz ??

Timber Floor Au Sep 7th 2005 12:49 am

Re: Dogs Disaster
 

Originally Posted by jensteve
The lepto vaccine over here is not a requirement, so you don't have to have it done. The paperwork you get from quarantine says this in it. My vet substituted it with sterile water and hey presto doggy passed with flying colours.
Oh another good point the whole blood testing for heartworm is a bit of a rip off, it doesn't show much other than if your dog has it, and if you treat your dog it won't drop dead, my vets the people I work with don't agree with it and say its a waste of time and money.

Jenny


<<Shakes head in disbelief

<< will say no More
http://www.ingleburnvet.com.au/images/hwormpm.jpg

Trekrider Sep 7th 2005 12:50 am

Re: Dogs Disaster
 

Originally Posted by Timber Floor Au
You are playing with your dogs life if you dont get Vaccines done.

I particularly have no time for ppl whos prejudice and beliefs are above animals welfare.

Not having a dig at the guy posting here, because I am not quoting circumstance.

But have you seen what HEARTWORM does to a dog ???

ITS devastating. All because of Mozzies !!

Have you seen what PARVO does ??

Vet from Sunnybak vets came out 2 weeks ago to do 1st puppy jabs, she remarked that in Woodridge and Inala, they see 3-6 cases in 1 of their surgeries each week for Parvo. NO OTHER areas !

Dont piss about with your animals welfare JAB THE BUGGERS

I agree, doing nothing is playing with fire. We certainly have our dogs welfare very much at heart. We use Homoeopathic nosodes from a fully qualified Homoeopathic Vet - at least these don't have the side effects of vaccinations. We wouldn't give vaccinations to our daughter so why would we give them to our dog? Just because you vaccinate for Parvo doesn't mean they won't get it. Back in the UK our local animal rescue centre was often having outbreaks despite insisting that all the dogs were vaccinated! :(

Trekrider Sep 7th 2005 12:53 am

Re: Dogs Disaster
 

Originally Posted by Timber Floor Au
Your dog cannot show traces of LEPTO in blood. UK side.

Why would your vet inject sterile water as a substitute, and where, Uk or Oz ??

Our UK vet said they normally use Lepto as the carrier and use sterile water in its place to carry the other vaccines if they are not giving the Lepto.

Timber Floor Au Sep 7th 2005 12:55 am

Re: Dogs Disaster
 

Originally Posted by Trekrider
I agree, doing nothing is playing with fire. We certainly have our dogs welfare very much at heart. We use Homoeopathic nosodes from a fully qualified Homoeopathic Vet - at least these don't have the side effects of vaccinations. We wouldn't give vaccinations to our daughter so why would we give them to our dog? Just because you vaccinate for Parvo doesn't mean they won't get it. Back in the UK our local animal rescue centre was often having outbreaks despite insisting that all the dogs were vaccinated! :(

True very True.

However on the whole, preventative maintenance is better than no maintenance, so to speak.

To rashly say as SOME people do, that they dont vaccinate because they dont agree with it, and certainly dont back it up, thats outrageous. But point taken, I would like to learn more of alternative medicines and treatments.

However regarding Heartworm.

The dog can have Heartworm LONG before you notice symptoms. It can unfortunately be far to late.

Trekrider Sep 7th 2005 12:55 am

Re: Dogs Disaster
 

Originally Posted by Timber Floor Au
Your dog cannot show traces of LEPTO in blood. UK side.

Your dog can show traces of Lepto in the UK provided the second blood test has a lower level than the first test. The second test only being required if it fails the first one.

Timber Floor Au Sep 7th 2005 12:57 am

Re: Dogs Disaster
 

Originally Posted by Trekrider
Our UK vet said they normally use Lepto as the carrier and use sterile water in its place to carry the other vaccines if they are not giving the Lepto.

Hmm Ok.

Just chatted with a Vet ( online from Uk ) he concurred, but added that sterile water isnt ideal. And the ABOVE post prior to EDITING gave the impression it was used INSTEAD of LEPTO !! to fool a test.

Or perhaps that was my reading of that post

Timber Floor Au Sep 7th 2005 12:58 am

Re: Dogs Disaster
 

Originally Posted by Trekrider
Your dog can show traces of Lepto in the UK provided the second blood test has a lower level than the first test. The second test only being required if it fails the first one.

True, but If your DOGS booster was administered LATE in the pre test period, you can get false positives too


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