pommie bastard

You dream on the same way they get into the UK visit friends and family in Australia and stay.

porkchop

How can you accuse the press of turning out bull shit?
95% of your threads start with a press report. You Prat.

PC

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pommie bastard

Why say 1000 a day why not 10,000 a day ,who counts the illegals you , where are all the empty homes to house them?

Kiwipaul

Don't you think the gov know this and they make it very hard to obtain visas for even a holiday from people comming from 3 world countries. And with all the publicity about the conditions in the detention centres, it makes the potential refugees think very long and hard about submitting their loved ones to that sort of treatment.
Obviously you don't care what your loved ones go through so long as you get your way, so maybe some of the refugees have more compassion than you.

porkchop

PB you still have not answered this question.
Do I take it that you have no deffence to posting press bull shit yourself.

PC

pommie bastard

They still make the boat trip and if you think its hard to get a holiday Visa went the tourist trade is rock botom think again.

pommie bastard

The press in the UK love a doom and gloom story , here they love to under play any bad news in Australia , its interesting to compare both .
Most of the sad opinions of the UK are formed from the Brit Media and same in Australia the rah rah we are great bull is a press invention also , its up to you whether you can read throgh it or be lead by it.
I find the Klan refugees most interesting most have never lived next to or worked with another race in the UK but will find themsellves doing both here.

Kiwipaul

If it's as easy as you CLAIM why did it take you 2 years to get a visa sorted out for your son when he didn't come out on your visa.
Seems to me this proves how difficult it is getting into the country for even family, which you seem to be denying.

Don't belive me Eat you own words

PB you must really try and keep track of you posting to stop you looking like an idiot (I know it's difficult because you are).

pommie bastard

Yes I did find out too late from a friend who had the same problem that had I just got him out here they would have been no problem getting the Visa this end , as he had with a grown up child , unlike going through immo house in London.

Megalania

Feedback loops abound! The media purveys what will carry the most advertizing.

Track the mood of the herd, make a billion or two.

SteveBannister

And yet, still they would do anything to stay? What does that tell you?

THE full shambles of Britain’s asylum system was laid bare yesterday.

The case of illegal immigrants accused of rioting at a flagship detention centre ended in a £100 million fiasco.
A trial lasting three months at vast cost to the public purse saw all the accused escape charges of burning down the Yarl’s Wood centre in Bed-fordshire on a night when scores ran amok and 40 asylum seekers broke out. Twelve of those who escaped remain at large.

Only four asylum seekers, who were all on legal aid, were found guilty of any charges relating to the destruction. But not one was convicted of arson. They were found guilty of lesser offences of affray and violent disorder and will now serve jail sentences of up to four years, which, ironically, will see them spend more time in this country at taxpayers’ expense. Whether they will be deported following their release from prison remains to be seen as they could yet appeal against their removal although the Home Office last night vowed to kick them out. Yarl’s Wood was supposed to be the flagship of the Government’s asylum policy. But the Home Office declined to pay for sprinklers, which might have put out the fire on February 14 last year. Group 4 — the Security Company charged with running the centre and branded a ‘laughing stock’ during the trial — refused for five hours to allow police into the centre to quell the riot. It also refused to pay to put right the damage and launched an action to sue the police for the £97million cost of rebuilding Yarl’s Wood, which remains closed. It is an action which, if successful, will see taxpayers pick up the bill - as well as paying £5million to fund the police investigation and £l million for the trial.

pommie bastard

Never in Australia.
Australia's burning detention centres
January 2 2003




Prime Minister John Howard may be strictly correct when he says that Australia's asylum-seeker detention centres are not in crisis. There is no indication that the government intends to abandon its policy of mandatory detention, so in that sense the system remains stable. But in its ordinary usage the word "crisis" certainly describes the wave of rioting and arson that in the past few days has swept through most of the centres in the system - Woomera and Baxter in South Australia, Port Hedland in Western Australia, Christmas Island, and Villawood in Sydney - leaving a damage bill of $8 million. There can be no justification for the violence. The policy of mandatory detention is unnecessary and inhumane, as this newspaper has long argued. But those who suffer from it do not thereby acquire a right to damage or destroy the premises in which they are confined, or to threaten or put at risk the lives of others. Every effort should be made to identify the culprits and to prosecute them in the courts, as would happen in cases of similar activity in the wider society.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...196687693.html

Villawood detention centre on fire
Date: January 1 2003


By Michael Pelly and Michael Bradley

Detainees set fire to a building at Villawood last night, continuing the string of deliberately lit blazes at detention centres around Australia.

Firefighters said rioting inmates hampered their efforts to control the blaze, which started about 11pm. There was also an attempt by two inmates to break out of the centre by ramming the gates in cars belonging to the detention centre. A demountable aluminium building was destroyed, but there were no reported injuries and it is believed all detainees were accounted for.

An inmate who called the Herald denied the fires at the centres were connected. "This was not a riot, this was a statement. It's been on the cards for a long time. We can't live in these conditions."

But a fire brigade spokeswoman said they were "having a lot of trouble with security at the site" and that 10 fire crews were at the scene.

The fire is the latest in a string of detention centre blazes which have caused $8 million damage.

The Federal Government is stepping up diplomatic pressure to repatriate asylum seekers to their countries of origin after the arson attacks, which have now damaged five detention centres.

BritboyNZ

If I were an aussie I'd be more concerned about the unbelievable sums DIMIA seems to be wasting deporting overstayers. $81 MILLION spent over the last year to deport just over 900 HUNDRED people, thats something like $90,000 per person. On a par if not worse than the UK Home Office?

Russ

$81m spent sending travellers back home
EXCLUSIVE | By Eamonn Duff
August 17, 2003
The Sun-Herald

Australia spent $81 million deporting more than 900 people who had overstayed their visas last year.

People in breach of visa conditions received a deportation package, which included free food, accommodation and an eventual flight home.

Latest statistics obtained by The Sun-Herald reveal that over the previous financial year, 915 people were invoiced at overseas addresses for costs incurred in detaining and deporting them.

The total figure the Department of Immigration attempted to claw back was $84.7 million.

To date, just $964,463 has been recovered with a further $2.2 million waived.

At the same time, Australian taxpayers paid $100 million to entice overseas visitors to holiday here.

The Sun-Herald can also reveal that, in a desperate bid to curb future losses, the department has centralised all its state and territory debt management teams in Victoria.

A department spokeswoman said: "The new centre became operational as of July. Its goal will be to maximise efficiency and to try and minimise the amount of money not being recovered."

The spokeswoman confirmed deportation debts had been a problem for many years.

"Invoices are sent to overseas addresses supplied by the detainees. Debts are continuously tracked, reminder notices are sent and repayment plans are arranged wherever possible. But there does come a point when it is uneconomic to pursue a debt any further."

In 2002-03, Australia welcomed 4,655,800 overseas visitors. During the same period, immigration officials found 19,070 people who had either overstayed or breached their visa conditions - an increase of 10 per cent on the previous year. Overstayers usually arrive with valid temporary visas, mainly as tourists.

Steve (who did not want his last name revealed), manager of Noah's backpackers on Bondi Beach, said it had been common knowledge for many years that offenders essentially receive "free flights home".

"I knew one UK couple who came to Australia with their two children on a six-month tourist visa. They stayed here for more than four years.

He added: "They finally got caught when the wife's mother arrived and immigration followed her to the family. They were given two days to get their stuff together and then all four were put on a flight which they never paid for, even when they returned."

Daily detention centre fees and international air fares made up a significant percentage of the $81.5 million that failed to return last year. Hundreds of thousands of dollars were also spent escorting offenders on to planes. In extreme cases, security had to be hired for entire journeys.

One British traveller, known as Dave, arrived on a 12-month working holiday visa two years ago. He said if he was nabbed by authorities tomorrow, he would not have the cash to get home.

"In hindsight, I should have made moves to stay here legally because then I wouldn't be in this situation now," he said. "I simply got to the end of my 12-month visa and realised I didn't want to go back to England."

He said: "Life's great here. I've got a secure job that pays cash in hand. I've got many Australian mates . . . they all know I'm illegal, but none of them care. Their advice is 'Ride it for as long as you can.' "

But while Dave shows that backpackers do sometimes stay beyond their 12-month limit, the Department of Immigration says they by no means make up the majority. In the latest swoop last week, officials detained 18 unlawful non-citizens, from Malaysia, Thailand, Korea, Vietnam and Fiji, in the Newcastle-Hunter area.

Yesterday The Sun-Herald spoke to recently arrived backpackers.

Eva Maria Kufner, 18, from Germany, is staying in Bondi with her two friends, Lisa Maier, 18, and Marleen Benedikt, 20.

She said: "Most backpackers we've met are like us, in that they are here to travel and experience something new. Australia is a terrific place because there is so much here. For most travellers it's all about taking a year out and not about staying on when your time has finished.

"But we had another friend with us who was supposed to stay for a year. She went back after just two weeks. She hated it."

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...936101788.html

Whingin Pom

Although the topic of assylum seekers in the U.K is a very sore topic to discuss, I find myself holding back from joining the argument.

I joined in with an argument about the N.H.S last week and got myself wound up, well done P.B. Now I know that i'm not the first to come to this conclusion but I feel that i must let the old fella know that the penny has dropped.

P.B, you must have been so bored before the internet came along, with such a small audience to wind up, I wonder did you ever get bared from your local pub for starting a riot?

I think I will be avoiding P.B from now on and I recomend others doing the same.

SteveBannister

Don't worry, this is the 'blinkered, copy-and-paster's' last week.