Daylight Saving in South East Queensland
Apr 17th 2010, 12:49 pm
#61
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Re: Daylight Saving in South East Queensland
A 2001 report showed:
In public schools only 21 per cent of students are in high income families.
In private schools 47 per cent of students are in high income families.
A report for 2009 showed student school attendances as:
2009 Qld Yr 8-12
Government 172,409 62%
Independent 51,663 19%
Catholic 52,169 19%
NSSC Table 40a - Full-Time Students - by States and Territories, Affiliation, Sex, Grade, Age, Indigenous Status and Years
Possibly because the other States had done one more year at school, for many students, than they had in QLD.
Now that we have the full time Prep year, this may change in the future.
Apr 18th 2010, 4:08 am
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Re: Daylight Saving in South East Queensland
Because some people can afford it, and say 'why not'.
A 2001 report showed:
In public schools only 21 per cent of students are in high income families.
In private schools 47 per cent of students are in high income families.
A report for 2009 showed student school attendances as:
2009 Qld Yr 8-12
Government 172,409 62%
Independent 51,663 19%
Catholic 52,169 19%
NSSC Table 40a - Full-Time Students - by States and Territories, Affiliation, Sex, Grade, Age, Indigenous Status and Years
Possibly because the other States had done one more year at school, for many students, than they had in QLD.
Now that we have the full time Prep year, this may change in the future.
A 2001 report showed:
In public schools only 21 per cent of students are in high income families.
In private schools 47 per cent of students are in high income families.
A report for 2009 showed student school attendances as:
2009 Qld Yr 8-12
Government 172,409 62%
Independent 51,663 19%
Catholic 52,169 19%
NSSC Table 40a - Full-Time Students - by States and Territories, Affiliation, Sex, Grade, Age, Indigenous Status and Years
Possibly because the other States had done one more year at school, for many students, than they had in QLD.
Now that we have the full time Prep year, this may change in the future.
It's too simplistic to say that because our children start a year later they are disadvataged. Children in Scandiavia start school at 7 years but still perform very well in tests and it is well documented that if you delay formal teaching students actually make up the time and perform better in reading etc. It's the system that's flawed in Queensland not the starting age.
For those parents who wish to send their children to private schools that's their choice. Personally, I believe in a quality eduaction for all regardless of your income, ethnicity, location or sex. On that note, I would have preferred to send mine to the local State High and saved myself $100 000 to invest and give it to them for a deposit for a house. Unfortunately, the school ( in my opinion) was lacking in the basics eg. buildings in need of refurbishment, lack of science labs, equipment , art resources etc. lack of a stable teacher workforce. I'm sure many parents are in my position where they feel that inorder, for their child to have a quality education, it has to be private.
The statistics I have seen about High School students differ from yours. I've forgotten the name of my source but it is current and from an Ed Qld web site. Which just goes to show you can prove anything you want providing you manipulate the percentages. The retention rate, school absenteeism and overall results for Queensland students are very poor. The kids are no less intelligent than elsewhere in Oz. We are failing our kids by having an inadequate and poorly resourced and executed system.
Apr 18th 2010, 4:35 am
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Re: Daylight Saving in South East Queensland
From the links shown:
The No Daylight saving group:
The Pro Daylight saving group
Those are the first five benefits that the "Pro Daylight saving group" show on their benefits page.
The really need to come up with more benefits than variations on the extra hours sunlight.
The No Daylight saving group:
The Pro Daylight saving group
Those are the first five benefits that the "Pro Daylight saving group" show on their benefits page.
The really need to come up with more benefits than variations on the extra hours sunlight.
All my neighbours around me grind metal, drill things, ride motorbikes around their back gardens, use chainsaws, rev stupidly loud engines etc all day long. They only shut the hell up when it gets dark.
So I now find myself waiting for it to get dark just to get a bit of peace and quiet. I don't fancy trying to get the kids to sleep with Mr Angle Grinder still going full blast next door.
JTL
Apr 18th 2010, 4:50 am
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Re: Daylight Saving in South East Queensland
I do have 1 anti DLS personal reason.
All my neighbours around me grind metal, drill things, ride motorbikes around their back gardens, use chainsaws, rev stupidly loud engines etc all day long. They only shut the hell up when it gets dark.
So I now find myself waiting for it to get dark just to get a bit of peace and quiet. I don't fancy trying to get the kids to sleep with Mr Angle Grinder still going full blast next door.
JTL
All my neighbours around me grind metal, drill things, ride motorbikes around their back gardens, use chainsaws, rev stupidly loud engines etc all day long. They only shut the hell up when it gets dark.
So I now find myself waiting for it to get dark just to get a bit of peace and quiet. I don't fancy trying to get the kids to sleep with Mr Angle Grinder still going full blast next door.
JTL
Apr 18th 2010, 5:16 am
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Re: Daylight Saving in South East Queensland
From the links shown:
The No Daylight saving group:
The Pro Daylight saving group
Those are the first five benefits that the "Pro Daylight saving group" show on their benefits page.
The really need to come up with more benefits than variations on the extra hours sunlight.
The No Daylight saving group:
The Pro Daylight saving group
Those are the first five benefits that the "Pro Daylight saving group" show on their benefits page.
The really need to come up with more benefits than variations on the extra hours sunlight.
The attached paper [Daylight Saving Time and Motor Vehicle Crashes: The Reduction in
Pedestrian and Vehicle Occupant Fatalities] suggests that in a Daylight Savings regime the number of fatalities are reduced.
Abstract
Fatal crashes were tabulated for 6-hour periods around sunrise and sunset, from 13 weeks before the fall change to standard time until 9 weeks after the spring change to daylight saving time. Fatal-crash occurrence was related to changes in daylight, whether these changes occurred abruptly with the fall and spring time changes or gradually with the changing seasons of the year. During daylight saving time, which shifts an hour of daylight to the busier evening traffic hours, there were fewer fatal crashes. An estimated 901 fewer fatal crashes (727 involving pedestrians, 174 involving vehicle occupants) might have occurred if daylight saving time had been retained year-round from 1987 through 1991.
Fatal crashes were tabulated for 6-hour periods around sunrise and sunset, from 13 weeks before the fall change to standard time until 9 weeks after the spring change to daylight saving time. Fatal-crash occurrence was related to changes in daylight, whether these changes occurred abruptly with the fall and spring time changes or gradually with the changing seasons of the year. During daylight saving time, which shifts an hour of daylight to the busier evening traffic hours, there were fewer fatal crashes. An estimated 901 fewer fatal crashes (727 involving pedestrians, 174 involving vehicle occupants) might have occurred if daylight saving time had been retained year-round from 1987 through 1991.
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Apr 18th 2010, 6:03 am
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Re: Daylight Saving in South East Queensland
Do you not join the rest of the neighbourhood in these activities?
I do have 1 anti DLS personal reason.
All my neighbours around me grind metal, drill things, ride motorbikes around their back gardens, use chainsaws, rev stupidly loud engines etc all day long. They only shut the hell up when it gets dark.
So I now find myself waiting for it to get dark just to get a bit of peace and quiet. I don't fancy trying to get the kids to sleep with Mr Angle Grinder still going full blast next door.
JTL
All my neighbours around me grind metal, drill things, ride motorbikes around their back gardens, use chainsaws, rev stupidly loud engines etc all day long. They only shut the hell up when it gets dark.
So I now find myself waiting for it to get dark just to get a bit of peace and quiet. I don't fancy trying to get the kids to sleep with Mr Angle Grinder still going full blast next door.
JTL
Apr 18th 2010, 8:26 am
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Re: Daylight Saving in South East Queensland
I'm trying to think of a reason to justify buying a metal grinder and grinding metal all day. And maybe with a break to use a jack hammer and a few drills.
But try as I might I can't, as I get paid to work with computers, so I'm fairly silent when I work. And I've invested in noise cancelling headphones.
Its an awful thing, but I always know when the neighbours are away, because...its quieter. I think its a thing about old people trying to prove they're still alive by making as much noise as possible.
So on-topic, if we had daylight saving, I'd have to buy noise cancelling headphones for our kids too when the go to bed.
JTL
But try as I might I can't, as I get paid to work with computers, so I'm fairly silent when I work. And I've invested in noise cancelling headphones.
Its an awful thing, but I always know when the neighbours are away, because...its quieter. I think its a thing about old people trying to prove they're still alive by making as much noise as possible.
So on-topic, if we had daylight saving, I'd have to buy noise cancelling headphones for our kids too when the go to bed.
JTL
Apr 18th 2010, 11:22 am
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Re: Daylight Saving in South East Queensland
Please check the figures yourself at:
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected]?OpenDocument NSSC Table 40a
They are the official numbers from Queensland Education for 2009
- 172,409 at Government secondary schools
- 51,663 at Independent secondary schools
- 52,169 at Catholic secondary schools
Then another one at: http://www.pc.gov.au/__data/assets/p.../chapter03.pdf
3 GOVERNMENT SCHOOL EDUCATION
3.1 Introduction
The scope of the Report in the schools area remains the performance of State
and Territory Government primary and secondary school systems. These schools account for 74 per cent of primary students and 67 per cent of secondary students.
3.1 Introduction
The scope of the Report in the schools area remains the performance of State
and Territory Government primary and secondary school systems. These schools account for 74 per cent of primary students and 67 per cent of secondary students.
With more than 80,000 students enrolled in more than 160 schools, Queensland's independent schools are a vital part of the state's and nation's education system.
Apr 18th 2010, 11:29 am
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Re: Daylight Saving in South East Queensland
Galaxy polls on the Daylight Saving issue showed support for DLS as:
- 52 per cent in 2005
- 51 per cent in 2007
- 48 per cent in 2010
Apr 18th 2010, 11:45 am
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Re: Daylight Saving in South East Queensland
I'm trying to think of a reason to justify buying a metal grinder and grinding metal all day. And maybe with a break to use a jack hammer and a few drills.
But try as I might I can't, as I get paid to work with computers, so I'm fairly silent when I work. And I've invested in noise cancelling headphones.
Its an awful thing, but I always know when the neighbours are away, because...its quieter. I think its a thing about old people trying to prove they're still alive by making as much noise as possible.
So on-topic, if we had daylight saving, I'd have to buy noise cancelling headphones for our kids too when the go to bed.
JTL
But try as I might I can't, as I get paid to work with computers, so I'm fairly silent when I work. And I've invested in noise cancelling headphones.
Its an awful thing, but I always know when the neighbours are away, because...its quieter. I think its a thing about old people trying to prove they're still alive by making as much noise as possible.
So on-topic, if we had daylight saving, I'd have to buy noise cancelling headphones for our kids too when the go to bed.
JTL
Sounds like you live next to Orange County Choppers!!! Won't the noise just work like white noise for the kids and lull them to sleep?
Apr 18th 2010, 1:02 pm
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Re: Daylight Saving in South East Queensland
The statistics aren't mine, nor have I manipulated the percentages, as you say.
Please check the figures yourself at:
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected]?OpenDocument NSSC Table 40a
They are the official numbers from Queensland Education for 2009
Then another one at: http://www.pc.gov.au/__data/assets/p.../chapter03.pdf
and at: http://education.qld.gov.au/curricul...qld_links.html
I find it interesting when people turn around and say that others who have found official information say they must be manipulating the figures, as they are different to the ones that they themselves say are correct, but are unable to prove it.
Please check the figures yourself at:
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected]?OpenDocument NSSC Table 40a
They are the official numbers from Queensland Education for 2009
- 172,409 at Government secondary schools
- 51,663 at Independent secondary schools
- 52,169 at Catholic secondary schools
Then another one at: http://www.pc.gov.au/__data/assets/p.../chapter03.pdf
and at: http://education.qld.gov.au/curricul...qld_links.html
I find it interesting when people turn around and say that others who have found official information say they must be manipulating the figures, as they are different to the ones that they themselves say are correct, but are unable to prove it.
Apr 18th 2010, 1:23 pm
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Re: Daylight Saving in South East Queensland
Anna's changed her tune then....I'm sure she categorically ruled out a split time zone before?
I think they should trial it a la the WA example.
I think she is being a little clever here though as I don't think there is public support for the split timezone, even though the majority both statewide & especially in the SE favour DS. If she can show the majority don't want to split the state she can use that to put the issue to bed (by 8:30pm)
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I think they should trial it a la the WA example.
I think she is being a little clever here though as I don't think there is public support for the split timezone, even though the majority both statewide & especially in the SE favour DS. If she can show the majority don't want to split the state she can use that to put the issue to bed (by 8:30pm)
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Apr 19th 2010, 10:14 am
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Re: Daylight Saving in South East Queensland
instead of doing constant gallop polls I don't know why they don't just get on and do the real thing.
Apr 19th 2010, 12:04 pm
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Re: Daylight Saving in South East Queensland
They will never be day light saving in Queensland as the vast majority of people who live here are not intelligent enough to see the massive benefits it would afford the population. In addition they live in a time wrap being at least 15 years behind Europe in the most basic social, political and environmental issues. Anyone who has any intelligence leaves Queensland as they realise the people in power in this state are morons and couldn't organise a p--- up in a brewery to save their lives.
Power to the people does not happen in Queensland as vast majority of the population are either too drunk, too ignorant or too apathetic. So daylight saving is a non issue.
Power to the people does not happen in Queensland as vast majority of the population are either too drunk, too ignorant or too apathetic. So daylight saving is a non issue.
Believe it or not, just because I don't agree with you, doesn't make me stupid. Attempting to be patronising obviously isn't your strong point, you just make yourself look slightly idiotic.
