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Luma Oct 27th 2013 1:09 am

Cutting back on FIFO jobs
 
Heard from someone that they are cutting back on FIFO jobs and mainly employing locals that can drive into the minesites. Good for the local economies not for those that were relying on FIFO work to pay their mortgages.

sonlymewalter Oct 27th 2013 2:13 am

Re: Cutting back on FIFO jobs
 

Originally Posted by Luma (Post 10963207)
Heard from someone that they are cutting back on FIFO jobs and mainly employing locals that can drive into the minesites. Good for the local economies not for those that were relying on FIFO work to pay their mortgages.

To be fair they (companies) have always brought in locals as it stops the locals from resenting the FIFO arrangements. With recent cut backs and companies looking at further cost savings it was bound to happen that they extend it to more locals wherever possible as this saves on travel expenses, flights and accommodation etc.

The specialist skills will always need to be FIFO if there aren't enough locals to fill those skilled jobs - so nothing will change on that score.

Sign of the times......

verystormy Oct 27th 2013 3:01 am

Re: Cutting back on FIFO jobs
 
I think that is more of a QLD thing than a WA thing as there are more local miners that live in the towns close to mines. In WA a lot of the mines simply dont have a local population or if they do, the local population doesnt have mine skills, such as Laverton.

In WA FIFO has cut down simply because the jobs have disapeared.

scrubbedexpat098 Oct 27th 2013 3:19 am

Re: Cutting back on FIFO jobs
 
I have to say I'm FIFO to WA and I've not really seen much evidence of this slowdown, apart from the clients side. These mining giants are beginning to realise that if they ran their companies as they should do, then their profits would be even more enormous. They've been paying hundreds of people to do nothing but watch subbies work for years and are now just waking up to it.

you just watch I'll get the boot next week:D

sonlymewalter Oct 27th 2013 3:21 am

Re: Cutting back on FIFO jobs
 

Originally Posted by verystormy (Post 10963255)
I think that is more of a QLD thing than a WA thing as there are more local miners that live in the towns close to mines. In WA a lot of the mines simply dont have a local population or if they do, the local population doesnt have mine skills, such as Laverton.

In WA FIFO has cut down simply because the jobs have disapeared.

Good point:thumbup: I focussed on the locals being in the vicinity as the OP mentioned jobs going to them as opposed to FIFO workers.

Either way most companies are watching costs especially as projects are constantly undercutting costs as much as poss to win contracts and especially if they need to compete with overseas companies and the $ exchange rate.

sonlymewalter Oct 27th 2013 3:25 am

Re: Cutting back on FIFO jobs
 

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 10963268)
I have to say I'm FIFO to WA and I've not really seen much evidence of this slowdown, apart from the clients side. These mining giants are beginning to realise that if they ran their companies as they should do, then their profits would be even more enormous. They've been paying hundreds of people to do nothing but watch subbies work for years and are now just waking up to it.

you just watch I'll get the boot next week:D

Yep. I've noticed far more accountability and HUGE costs being more closely monitored and assessed and accountability for productivity levels.

Hope you're wrong about the boot:D:unsure:

DeepSix Oct 27th 2013 11:32 am

Re: Cutting back on FIFO jobs
 
yup.. on my project.. they wont fifo you in from anywhere other than QLD.. which might not sound like much but previously they and other projects had no issues with taking people from wherever

sign of the times.. probably.. hopefully there will be a stabilization.. some new ( might not be mega) projects on the horizon.. and this one might cause a bit of Dickson.. but the guys who got in as there was a boom on, might have to drop out and go back to "civvy st" and therefore there will be still jobs for those that survive ( i have still got 14 - 18 months left on this project :fingerscrossed:

Icecube Oct 28th 2013 2:46 pm

Re: Cutting back on FIFO jobs
 

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 10963268)
I have to say I'm FIFO to WA and I've not really seen much evidence of this slowdown, apart from the clients side. These mining giants are beginning to realise that if they ran their companies as they should do, then their profits would be even more enormous. They've been paying hundreds of people to do nothing but watch subbies work for years and are now just waking up to it.

you just watch I'll get the boot next week:D

I am afraid you are right. A lot of firms prefer to use subbies as they are there to work.

SUPERCAD Oct 29th 2013 2:39 am

Re: Cutting back on FIFO jobs
 
it s the same on our project in Qld, im on a FIFO contract were they had a clear out of white collar last December but we are putting more blue collar staff on at the moment, this project was going before the down turn once its over its slim pickings. my next contract is in Europe. Europe is flying in my field and seems to be picking up in general

aussietobe Oct 30th 2013 6:06 am

Re: Cutting back on FIFO jobs
 

Originally Posted by Luma (Post 10963207)
Heard from someone that they are cutting back on FIFO jobs and mainly employing locals that can drive into the minesites. Good for the local economies not for those that were relying on FIFO work to pay their mortgages.

My friend who has worked on several mine sites said he can't believe the waste that is involved - three times as many workers as what they actually need, huge amounts of food thrown out etc etc He was so outraged he wrote to the mining boss and received a letter back saying 'they were looking into it.'

aussietobe Oct 30th 2013 6:07 am

Re: Cutting back on FIFO jobs
 

Originally Posted by SUPERCAD (Post 10966319)
it s the same on our project in Qld, im on a FIFO contract were they had a clear out of white collar last December but we are putting more blue collar staff on at the moment, this project was going before the down turn once its over its slim pickings. my next contract is in Europe. Europe is flying in my field and seems to be picking up in general

Really, my husband was just in Europe and said the complete opposite? What field are you in?

Amazulu Oct 30th 2013 8:01 am

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Originally Posted by aussietobe (Post 10968338)
Really, my husband was just in Europe and said the complete opposite? What field are you in?

Loads of work in engineering in Europe, UK & the USA - oil & gas, rail, power, infrastructure

Contract rates in certain fields are getting close to what they are here

DeepSix Oct 30th 2013 9:55 am

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i hope the rest of the world is catching up re contract rates..
I'm getting an itch to get out of gladstone.. but the golden handcuffs are hard to walk away from ! :o

Amazulu Oct 31st 2013 1:32 am

Re: Cutting back on FIFO jobs
 

Originally Posted by DeepSix (Post 10968528)
i hope the rest of the world is catching up re contract rates..
I'm getting an itch to get out of gladstone.. but the golden handcuffs are hard to walk away from ! :o

Contract rates in Houston are on a par with here - if not higher. Which kind of shows that the Chevon/KJV justification to do their engineering outside of Australia was bullshit

sonlymewalter Oct 31st 2013 1:37 am

Re: Cutting back on FIFO jobs
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 10969994)
Contract rates in Houston are on a par with here - if not higher. Which kind of shows that the Chevon/KJV justification to do their engineering outside of Australia was bullshit

so what changed do ya reckon? Can't be union pressure cos USA is equally unionised as Aus?


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