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the troubadour Apr 23rd 2020 1:37 am

Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus - Aus Govt Tracing App
 
There's another similar thread on The Barbie. As it stands I would not download such an app for reasons given on that thread. Namely the accuracy along with issues of what happens further down the track. As I explained, there is a saying, that being "never let a crisis go to waste".A bit of Cartian skepticism in order here, I'm afraid.

moneypenny20 Apr 24th 2020 12:26 pm

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Threads merged. Sorry for missing it earlier.

moneypenny20 Apr 24th 2020 12:59 pm

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It will be illegal for anyone other than Health officials to access the data from the tracking app.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...rce=reddit.com

the troubadour Apr 24th 2020 11:28 pm

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12843526)
It will be illegal for anyone other than Health officials to access the data from the tracking app.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...rce=reddit.com

Now why doesn't that install confidence in me? Government, or at least this side of politics have long proven that they cannot be trusted. Or at best such guarantees are largely irrelevant. You may recall the Metadata scandal that telco's collected?

moneypenny20 Apr 25th 2020 1:07 am

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Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 12843824)
Now why doesn't that install confidence in me? Government, or at least this side of politics have long proven that they cannot be trusted. Or at best such guarantees are largely irrelevant. You may recall the Metadata scandal that telco's collected?

Preaching to the choir.

Still Game Apr 25th 2020 7:42 am

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So if someone is diagnosed with C-19 who is responsible for changing the app to show that this person is infected?

GarryP Apr 26th 2020 12:26 am

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Originally Posted by Still Game (Post 12843909)
So if someone is diagnosed with C-19 who is responsible for changing the app to show that this person is infected?

Although they haven't released said app yet, they say the process looks like :
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When people downloaded the app they would be required to enter:
  • Their name
  • Their age range
  • Their postcode
  • Their phone number
Then, when people were within 1.5 metres for 15 minutes, the app via Bluetooth, would record the other person's name and phone number. They say it's encrypted on the phone, ...

If someone was confirmed positive, their data goes up to a central data store, so those people who's details had been captured could be called.

Now, if you are paying attention, you will realise why anyone who knows will be noping out. You have to provide personally identifying information, which someone else then records, and for some reason that gets sent to a central store. Obvious issues are that the personal details shouldn't be necessary, the fact that the are captured to your phone makes it possible for someone to use the app to intercept and store said info for their own purposes, and the government grabs the info into a central store - which isn't needed.

the troubadour Apr 26th 2020 3:19 am

Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus - Aus Govt Tracing App
 

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12844270)
Although they haven't released said app yet, they say the process looks like :
.
When people downloaded the app they would be required to enter:
  • Their name
  • Their age range
  • Their postcode
  • Their phone number
Then, when people were within 1.5 metres for 15 minutes, the app via Bluetooth, would record the other person's name and phone number. They say it's encrypted on the phone, ...

If someone was confirmed positive, their data goes up to a central data store, so those people who's details had been captured could be called.

Now, if you are paying attention, you will realise why anyone who knows will be noping out. You have to provide personally identifying information, which someone else then records, and for some reason that gets sent to a central store. Obvious issues are that the personal details shouldn't be necessary, the fact that the are captured to your phone makes it possible for someone to use the app to intercept and store said info for their own purposes, and the government grabs the info into a central store - which isn't needed.

Exactly this. Intrusive seeking of information should be questioned. A simple action such as opening a Term Deposit account the other day, meant a host of questions I have never been asked before such as do I have any children. What has that to do with holding a bank account? It ended up me claiming to be not in possession of a mobile phone as keep a land line open for such purposes.

GarryP Apr 26th 2020 4:59 am

Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus - Aus Govt Tracing App
 

Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 12844289)
Exactly this. Intrusive seeking of information should be questioned. A simple action such as opening a Term Deposit account the other day, meant a host of questions I have never been asked before such as do I have any children. What has that to do with holding a bank account? It ended up me claiming to be not in possession of a mobile phone as keep a land line open for such purposes.

It's been released, and its even more of a cluster**** than expected. The mobile phone number validation seems to be broken/too simplistic on Android and iphone users are expected to keep their phones unlocked and with the app as the foreground task when they are walking around (because they have no access to the develop API side of things).

In short, this is amateur hour and I wouldn't trust it two times over.

Beoz Apr 26th 2020 10:22 am

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Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12844309)
It's been released, and its even more of a cluster**** than expected. The mobile phone number validation seems to be broken/too simplistic on Android and iphone users are expected to keep their phones unlocked and with the app as the foreground task when they are walking around (because they have no access to the develop API side of things).

In short, this is amateur hour and I wouldn't trust it two times over.

Validation works here. App is in background. Running an Android here.

IPhone might be different as Bluetooth on Apple won't run in backgroud.

Just get on it and be a part of the solution rather than the problem.

GarryP Apr 26th 2020 10:27 am

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Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12844382)
Just get on it and be a part of the solution rather than the problem.

This app is more problem than solution and I don't think anyone should be installing it. Not only is it badly set up, a vector for things we don't want, its also way too late to have any meaningful effect. When you have zero new cases, what's it supposed to do exactly, other than allow government to gauge exactly how dumb the general public are?

I'm betting it will be hacked inside 24 hours as well

Beoz Apr 26th 2020 11:12 am

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Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12844384)
This app is more problem than solution and I don't think anyone should be installing it. Not only is it badly set up, a vector for things we don't want, its also way too late to have any meaningful effect. When you have zero new cases, what's it supposed to do exactly, other than allow government to gauge exactly how dumb the general public are?

Garry, you have criminal history on waiting to take down anything the Liberal party implement. This just another one of your propaganda stunts. And a selfish dangerous one at that.

Badly set up? Why do tell. I have just told you the validation works fine so your propaganda came unstuck there.

You tried to tell us a few weeks back we needed full lockdown . That was total incorrect propaganda and as a result you haven't been seen on here for a week.

We are virtually at 0 new cases. This is the perfect time to implement in case of a wave 2. Is it really going to hurt you to receive a phone call telling you someone in Coles had the virus and you should have a test, perhaps to protect someone elderly close to you?


Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12844384)
I'm betting it will be hacked inside 24 hours as well

So? So can any app on your phone. Ever do internet banking?

GarryP Apr 26th 2020 11:29 am

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Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12844402)
Garry, you have criminal history on waiting to take down anything the Liberal party implement. This just another one of your propaganda stunts. And a selfish dangerous one at that.

Sigh. Why is it the liberal/libertarian types are always the one to trust governments, provided they agree with the ideology? Usually of governments with fascist tendencies. This would be extremely dangerous for people to support no matter their politics. Which is I guess why you fall for it hook line and sinker.


Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12844402)
Badly set up? Why do tell. I have just told you the validation works fine so your propaganda came unstuck there.

Bollocks. Just go and look at the people taking this app apart. It's very much amateur hour, which makes me think it will be perverted very quicky.


Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12844402)
You tried to tell us a few weeks back we needed full lockdown . That was total incorrect propaganda and as a result you haven't been seen on here for a week.

You think I was wrong? You really haven't been paying attention, the only solution is eradication, as I said. Still is, even more so with the understanding that's been gained on reinfection and ventilators. Oh, and I've been on a different computer which is why I didn't bother to log in.


Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12844402)
We are virtually at 0 new cases. This is the perfect time to implement in case of a wave 2.

Yep, focus on eradication and that's it. This app has nothing to do with that target.




the troubadour Apr 26th 2020 11:32 am

Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus - Aus Govt Tracing App
 
Don't be a lemming. It'll be a hard sell, I expect anyway. The Lib's certainly cannot be trusted . I have given an example previously. If you feel it is in your interest to get the app, by all means do so. Those of us that won't be getting it have ample concerns outlined already around the matter.


Beoz Apr 26th 2020 11:39 am

Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus - Aus Govt Tracing App
 

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12844412)
Sigh. Why is it the liberal/libertarian types are always the one to trust governments, provided they agree with the ideology? Usually of governments with fascist tendencies. This would be extremely dangerous for people to support no matter their politics. Which is I guess why you fall for it hook line and sinker.

It's got nothing to do with trusting governments. It's got everything to do with adopting a tool which will pin point some people a positive person has been in contact with.

You have been attempting to social distance right? That's the governments message. It's an easier message to sell because it's all about you you you. This one is all about everyone. It's just a slight re-adjustment for you.


Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12844412)
You think I was wrong? You really haven't been paying attention, the only solution is eradication, as I said. Still is, even more so with the understanding that's been gained on reinfection and ventilators. Oh, and I've been on a different computer which is why I didn't bother to log in.

Yep, focus on eradication and that's it. This app has nothing to do with that target.

Find me a country that has eradicated the virus? It doesn't exist.

Find me a teacher that has been infected by a student? Again it doesn't exist.

Propaganda


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