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Pollyana Apr 16th 2020 11:07 am

COVID-19 / Coronavirus - Aus Govt Tracing App
 
Australian Government COVID-19 Tracing App - Big brother will be watching your every move.

Coronavirus lockdowns could end in months if Australians are willing to have their movements monitored

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...nload/12148210

The battle against coronavirus is going hi-tech, with Australians to be asked to download a phone app that will monitor their movements — but only with their express permission.

It is understood the app would plot who had spent 15 minutes or more in close proximity with a person who proves to be COVID-19 positive.
The challenge facing the Government will be encouraging enough Australians to sign up.
Singapore, which is considered a more compliant society, has developed a similar app but only 20 per cent of its citizens have agreed to share their mobile phone data with the Government.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...ad-it/12151324

"At 5:30am yesterday my seven-year-old son and I took our golden retriever for a 5 kilometre stroll. While shivering, we passed runners, walkers and fellow pet lovers. We've no way to know if any were infected with COVID-19, which is why we're walking so early and maintaining our social distancing.

Sometime in the next couple of weeks the Federal Government is going roll out a new phone app to trace COVID-19 victims' movements before they show symptom.

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Thoughts anyone? :scaredhair::tape:

spouse of scouse Apr 16th 2020 11:24 am

Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus - Aus Govt Tracing App
 

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 12839406)
Australian Government COVID-19 Tracing App - Big brother will be watching your every move.

Coronavirus lockdowns could end in months if Australians are willing to have their movements monitored

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...nload/12148210

The battle against coronavirus is going hi-tech, with Australians to be asked to download a phone app that will monitor their movements — but only with their express permission.

It is understood the app would plot who had spent 15 minutes or more in close proximity with a person who proves to be COVID-19 positive.
The challenge facing the Government will be encouraging enough Australians to sign up.
Singapore, which is considered a more compliant society, has developed a similar app but only 20 per cent of its citizens have agreed to share their mobile phone data with the Government.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...ad-it/12151324

"At 5:30am yesterday my seven-year-old son and I took our golden retriever for a 5 kilometre stroll. While shivering, we passed runners, walkers and fellow pet lovers. We've no way to know if any were infected with COVID-19, which is why we're walking so early and maintaining our social distancing.

Sometime in the next couple of weeks the Federal Government is going roll out a new phone app to trace COVID-19 victims' movements before they show symptom.

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Thoughts anyone? :scaredhair::tape:

I'd have to educate myself a bit more on the ins and outs, but if the measure just involves downloading the app and having your movements known to the monitoring bods, then it sounds an acceptable trade-off for being alerted if you've been in the vicinity of someone who's tested positive. I wouldn't want to know any details about the person though, and I'd want to be able to have access to a test for the virus if I was notified that I'd been exposed to it.

Amazulu Apr 16th 2020 12:45 pm

Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus - Aus Govt Tracing App
 
If it works and it means that we can get rid of a lot of this nanny state and welfare on steroids bullshit and start opening up our economy, then I'm in - until the current crisis is over, then I'm out

Normally, I believe that our government should be tiny and our interaction with it should be kept to the absolute minimum, but these are not normal times.......

rammygirl Apr 16th 2020 1:55 pm

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Not everyone is glued to their phone though. I don’t always take mine out with me, sometimes I just want to walk in nature.

spouse of scouse Apr 16th 2020 2:35 pm

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Originally Posted by rammygirl (Post 12839510)
Not everyone is glued to their phone though. I don’t always take mine out with me, sometimes I just want to walk in nature.

Good point. I usually carry mine with me in my handbag, but only remember to actually turn it on about once a week. I always get a nice surprise that I have so many text messages :lol:

verystormy Apr 17th 2020 7:29 am

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The U.K. are supposed to be introducing something similar. I would be happy to download it, but as we don’t see anyone, not sure how much point it would be.

abner Apr 19th 2020 2:53 am

The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 
So, it sounds like a Good Thing...
  • I do like how they've launched it, "not a GPS thing", "voluntary", "we won't retain the data", etc. That's probably necessary to generate anywhere near the required take-up rate, even though the median smartphone user's life is essentially already an open book for both the government and the social media giants (Facebook, Google, etc.) whether they know it or not.
...but...
  • Will it actually be an effective contact-tracing tool?
    • The definition of a "contact", for the app, is essentially two Bluetooth-enabled phones active within 1.5M of each other for at least 15 minutes.
    • How well does that map to the actual transmission potential of the virus?
      • It doesn't capture transient aerosol transmission through an ill-directed cough or sneeze from an infected person
      • It doesn't capture transmission via hard-surface infective residue. That's a substantial--and by no means fully addressed--risk in my own "essential worker" environment.
  • Will it crowd out more traditional, more labour-intensive contact-tracing methods (which have at least some potential to capture the virus transfer cases described above), because the smartphone app-based method will be seen as "more efficient"?

moneypenny20 Apr 19th 2020 11:16 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by abner (Post 12840820)
So, it sounds like a Good Thing...
  • I do like how they've launched it, "not a GPS thing", "voluntary", "we won't retain the data", etc. That's probably necessary to generate anywhere near the required take-up rate, even though the median smartphone user's life is essentially already an open book for both the government and the social media giants (Facebook, Google, etc.) whether they know it or not.
...but...
  • Will it actually be an effective contact-tracing tool?
    • The definition of a "contact", for the app, is essentially two Bluetooth-enabled phones active within 1.5M of each other for at least 15 minutes.
    • How well does that map to the actual transmission potential of the virus?
      • It doesn't capture transient aerosol transmission through an ill-directed cough or sneeze from an infected person
      • It doesn't capture transmission via hard-surface infective residue. That's a substantial--and by no means fully addressed--risk in my own "essential worker" environment.
  • Will it crowd out more traditional, more labour-intensive contact-tracing methods (which have at least some potential to capture the virus transfer cases described above), because the smartphone app-based method will be seen as "more efficient"?

Pretty much how I feel about it. Added to that there are still many people who don't have mobile phones, let alone smart ones. Unless it's taken up by a huge majority, I can't see how it's going to be effective. I may well be missing something though.

Beoz Apr 19th 2020 9:52 pm

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12840931)
Pretty much how I feel about it. Added to that there are still many people who don't have mobile phones, let alone smart ones. Unless it's taken up by a huge majority, I can't see how it's going to be effective. I may well be missing something though.

Like all COVID19 measures, nothing is 100% certain of eradicating the virus.

However every little bit helps. If they can get a few on board and it prevents a certain number of new cases then it's a success.

I am not concerned about privacy. If they really want to they can find out my phone habits anyway. Hackers could get my passwords if the really wanted to.

I would rather be a help than a hindrance in this situation.

GarryP Apr 21st 2020 11:28 am

Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus - Aus Govt Tracing App
 

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 12839413)
I'd have to educate myself a bit more on the ins and outs, but if the measure just involves downloading the app and having your movements known to the monitoring bods, then it sounds an acceptable trade-off for being alerted if you've been in the vicinity of someone who's tested positive. I wouldn't want to know any details about the person though, and I'd want to be able to have access to a test for the virus if I was notified that I'd been exposed to it.

The point is that the approach used by google/apple is decentralised and the singapore one picked on by the aussie government is centralised, with them at the centre. That's why anyone who knows about this are noping out.

As it happens I looking into this general area a year or two back, for a different purpose, and it's a bit difficult to implement given how bluetooth works, and what apple do to mangle tracking.

And from where we are, it's pretty much a dead duck and pointless. Put the effort into contract tracing the old fashioned way and telling people to turn on location history in google would be more effective (most people have it turned on without knowing). You can then make it public and allow individuals to do concordance with their own data, and their own apps they trust.

abner Apr 21st 2020 6:32 pm

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12841120)
I would rather be a help than a hindrance in this situation.

So would I, as long as I knew that the "helpful" invasion of my privacy would be
A) actually effective (does the app's contact model actually capture most/all transmissability interactions?)
B) actually temporary (are all records fully erased after a defined period?)

abner Apr 21st 2020 6:41 pm

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12841120)
If they can get a few on board and it prevents a certain number of new cases then it's a success.

It doesn't "prevent" anything.

At best, it automates part of the contact-tracing process, once a user of the app is identified as infected. The real issue is whether reliance on the app will be allowed to crowd out other, more labour intensive methods of contact tracing, which are less efficient but far more thorough.

Beoz Apr 22nd 2020 12:15 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by abner (Post 12842176)
So would I, as long as I knew that the "helpful" invasion of my privacy would be
A) actually effective (does the app's contact model actually capture most/all transmissability interactions?)
B) actually temporary (are all records fully erased after a defined period?)

Me me me. And this selfish attitude will ensure we can't get back to normal life.

Seeing as though you want adopt this selfish conspiracy attitude toward this tool try this on for size.

You install the app, you running it for 10 days and you get the virus, your symptoms don't appear for another 8 days, there's 8 days you've been infecting others. Your family, your parents, your colleagues. You are diagnosed on day 9, your state health service gets the details of those you have come in contact with, and can advise them to isolate to prevent further spread.

Ok that's not about you so let's revert back to the me me me.

You have made a few Coles visits in the last week. Who knows, might be a special on loo roll, and someone has been running around for 8 days since with the virus without symptoms and was keen on the same loo roll special in your local Coles. You were stupidly planning on visiting your 87 year old mum who has diabetes on the weekend. You are alerted in advance that you may have come in contact with a super spreader and best to give mum a wide berth on the weekend.

Stopping the virus, death, sickness, lockdown, economic doom and gloom might be just a little more important than a conspiracy theory.

Beoz Apr 22nd 2020 12:17 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by abner (Post 12842180)
At best, it automates part of the contact-tracing process, once a user of the app is identified as infected.

Exactly. And that's an awesome system to have in play.

the troubadour Apr 22nd 2020 1:26 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12842325)
Me me me. And this selfish attitude will ensure we can't get back to normal life.

Seeing as though you want adopt this selfish conspiracy attitude toward this tool try this on for size.

You install the app, you running it for 10 days and you get the virus, your symptoms don't appear for another 8 days, there's 8 days you've been infecting others. Your family, your parents, your colleagues. You are diagnosed on day 9, your state health service gets the details of those you have come in contact with, and can advise them to isolate to prevent further spread.

Ok that's not about you so let's revert back to the me me me.

You have made a few Coles visits in the last week. Who knows, might be a special on loo roll, and someone has been running around for 8 days since with the virus without symptoms and was keen on the same loo roll special in your local Coles. You were stupidly planning on visiting your 87 year old mum who has diabetes on the weekend. You are alerted in advance that you may have come in contact with a super spreader and best to give mum a wide berth on the weekend.

Stopping the virus, death, sickness, lockdown, economic doom and gloom might be just a little more important than a conspiracy theory.

Nothing to do with me, me, me a common supposition of yours when one questions validity into various motives or proposed policy. For starters there is not the guarantee into just who will be able to access information, how long it will be stored and so on. Blind acceptance of government is seldom a good idea.
It will unlikely go far in stopping the virus, depending on take up of the app by the population. A country like Singapore, usually fairly compliant I would have thought to such matters, has itself, from my understanding, a very low take up rate of less than 20%. Speaks volumes in itself.

People in considerable numbers, have little faith in government doing necessary the right thing in modern times, as we witness on a regular basis around the world.

the troubadour Apr 22nd 2020 1:28 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12842327)
Exactly. And that's an awesome system to have in play.

How about questions of accuracy? Easy to relent to power. Harder to take back.

Beoz Apr 22nd 2020 1:41 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 12842339)
Nothing to do with me, me, me a common supposition of yours when one questions validity into various motives or proposed policy. For starters there is not the guarantee into just who will be able to access information, how long it will be stored and so on. Blind acceptance of government is seldom a good idea.
It will unlikely go far in stopping the virus, depending on take up of the app by the population. A country like Singapore, usually fairly compliant I would have thought to such matters, has itself, from my understanding, a very low take up rate of less than 20%. Speaks volumes in itself.

People in considerable numbers, have little faith in government doing necessary the right thing in modern times, as we witness on a regular basis around the world.

me, me, me is a common supposition of mine, and you just confirmed again above it's all about you.

If the app stops 1 further infection it's done it's job.

Thanks for pointing out Singapore. As you say it's take up was small and look where they are today. Total lockdown. Fighting the virus tooth and nail.

Just get on it and be part of the team to recovery.


Beoz Apr 22nd 2020 1:42 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 12842340)
How about questions of accuracy? Easy to relent to power. Harder to take back.

You won't have anything to take back if you don't be a part of the solution to eradicate the virus.

Beoz Apr 22nd 2020 1:49 am

Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus - Aus Govt Tracing App
 

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12841885)
The point is that the approach used by google/apple is decentralised and the singapore one picked on by the aussie government is centralised, with them at the centre. That's why anyone who knows about this are noping out.

As it happens I looking into this general area a year or two back, for a different purpose, and it's a bit difficult to implement given how bluetooth works, and what apple do to mangle tracking.

And from where we are, it's pretty much a dead duck and pointless. Put the effort into contract tracing the old fashioned way and telling people to turn on location history in google would be more effective (most people have it turned on without knowing). You can then make it public and allow individuals to do concordance with their own data, and their own apps they trust.

Location history is not very inaccurate. For most part it can't even tell you the exact route you took to street level and gives you a direct path mapping between 2 points.

Bluetooth doesn't care nor can track where you are located. It just wants to know who you are in the vinicity of. This is much more appropriate for human to human tracking and leaves out the location tracking for the conspiracy theorists.

the troubadour Apr 22nd 2020 2:09 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12842344)
me, me, me is a common supposition of mine, and you just confirmed again above it's all about you.

If the app stops 1 further infection it's done it's job.

Thanks for pointing out Singapore. As you say it's take up was small and look where they are today. Total lockdown. Fighting the virus tooth and nail.

Just get on it and be part of the team to recovery.

Singapore was held up as an example until recently. Again, you miss the point. If a nation, as obedient and conservative as Singapore, refuses to take up the app,Little hope Australia will do so, making the conversation around it redundant as will never get off the ground. People have a sound reason to be suspicious and it did sound like some voices wanting it to be mandatory, at least in the earlier days when having this app was raised. Not hard to see though the questions it would have raised in and with Australia, if such a measure had been introduced. Especially as Singapore didn't even attempt such an exercise in authoritarianism. Accuracy as I mentioned is another issue to ponder. Not an app that I'll be taking up anyway.




Amazulu Apr 22nd 2020 2:14 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 
5G is the cause of C19

the troubadour Apr 22nd 2020 2:59 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 
Just remember the saying, "never let a crisis go to waste". All too many will be looking at ways to gain in economic and power and influence in such times. A population beaten into a degree of submission through loss of income or reduced means, sans normal human interaction, fearful of the future, may well consent to things they may well in more normal times be more reflective about.

Beoz Apr 22nd 2020 3:33 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 12842349)
Singapore was held up as an example until recently. Again, you miss the point. If a nation, as obedient and conservative as Singapore, refuses to take up the app,Little hope Australia will do so, making the conversation around it redundant as will never get off the ground. People have a sound reason to be suspicious and it did sound like some voices wanting it to be mandatory, at least in the earlier days when having this app was raised. Not hard to see though the questions it would have raised in and with Australia, if such a measure had been introduced. Especially as Singapore didn't even attempt such an exercise in authoritarianism. Accuracy as I mentioned is another issue to ponder. Not an app that I'll be taking up anyway.

The major problem for these apps comes from the sheepies - those iphone users. For starters, the crappy iPhone doesn't allow bluetooth apps to work in the background. Given Apple now only has 13% of the global market share, its still worth perusing for many countries where Android is the norm. In Singapore that counts out 34% of the market. In Australia its about 40% of the market. Bluetooth is also a battery hog on the iphone.

Singapore does mandate the use of the app for an infected person but it does not for others. I find Singaporeans, whilst respecting their government, won't do a single thing unless its a rule.

We have been pretty good in Australia policing ourselves. There is not a full lock down and most people are pretty cautious about maintaining social distancing and hygiene which has been shown in the figures. The government have dangled a 3 part carrot to get out of lockdown. Expanding tracing is one of them.

Again you refer to you, "Not an app that I'll be taking up anyway" . This whole episode is about all of us.

If you aren't a sheepie, and don't have an iphone, just jump on board for the sake of everyone else.

It doesn't need everyone to have the app for it to be successful, the more the better obviously.




abner Apr 22nd 2020 3:49 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12841120)
I am not concerned about privacy.

I am.

Beoz Apr 22nd 2020 4:07 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by abner (Post 12842379)
I am.

The government have bigger and better things to worry about than what's on your phone. They already know whats in your bank account, what you get paid, where you live, etc and other than taking their share of your tax, that's about the limit of their concern towards you. As individuals we aren't really that important.

abner Apr 22nd 2020 4:12 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12842383)
As individuals we aren't really that important.

Your view, not mine.

the troubadour Apr 22nd 2020 7:20 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12842375)
The major problem for these apps comes from the sheepies - those iphone users. For starters, the crappy iPhone doesn't allow bluetooth apps to work in the background. Given Apple now only has 13% of the global market share, its still worth perusing for many countries where Android is the norm. In Singapore that counts out 34% of the market. In Australia its about 40% of the market. Bluetooth is also a battery hog on the iphone.

Singapore does mandate the use of the app for an infected person but it does not for others. I find Singaporeans, whilst respecting their government, won't do a single thing unless its a rule.

We have been pretty good in Australia policing ourselves. There is not a full lock down and most people are pretty cautious about maintaining social distancing and hygiene which has been shown in the figures. The government have dangled a 3 part carrot to get out of lockdown. Expanding tracing is one of them.

Again you refer to you, "Not an app that I'll be taking up anyway" . This whole episode is about all of us.

If you aren't a sheepie, and don't have an iphone, just jump on board for the sake of everyone else.

It doesn't need everyone to have the app for it to be successful, the more the better obviously.

The sheepie's being the ones that don't ask questions nor ponder longer term consequences. Until the questions I posed get a satisfactory answer thee is no chance of my participation. It will require a considerable majority to be of any use anyway. Something unlikely to achieve I would have thought.

the troubadour Apr 22nd 2020 7:24 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by abner (Post 12842384)
Your view, not mine.

Neither mine. Don't give up anymore control to government than the ample they already possess. No one knows further down the road, just how such information may be misused.

abner Apr 22nd 2020 7:55 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 12842419)
Neither mine. Don't give up anymore control to government than the ample they already possess. No one knows further down the road, just how such information may be misused.

I'm well aware.

In my quasi-public-sector workplace, we've been issued work phones, supposedly under strict guidelines that prohibit tracking us outside work hours. We've already seen one person fired for misrepresenting where they were outside work hours, with no countervailing consequences for the breach of the tracking protocol. The person fired was an idiot, but the episode was a useful lesson for the rest of us.

My work phone has a permanent "battery-dead" problem as a result.

Beoz Apr 22nd 2020 10:29 am

Re: The government's new, almost-ready, contact tracing app...?
 

Originally Posted by abner (Post 12842429)
I'm well aware.

In my quasi-public-sector workplace, we've been issued work phones, supposedly under strict guidelines that prohibit tracking us outside work hours. We've already seen one person fired for misrepresenting where they were outside work hours, with no countervailing consequences for the breach of the tracking protocol. The person fired was an idiot, but the episode was a useful lesson for the rest of us.

My work phone has a permanent "battery-dead" problem as a result.

Can you get to the detail?

the troubadour Apr 23rd 2020 1:37 am

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There's another similar thread on The Barbie. As it stands I would not download such an app for reasons given on that thread. Namely the accuracy along with issues of what happens further down the track. As I explained, there is a saying, that being "never let a crisis go to waste".A bit of Cartian skepticism in order here, I'm afraid.

moneypenny20 Apr 24th 2020 12:26 pm

Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus - Aus Govt Tracing App
 
Threads merged. Sorry for missing it earlier.

moneypenny20 Apr 24th 2020 12:59 pm

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It will be illegal for anyone other than Health officials to access the data from the tracking app.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...rce=reddit.com

the troubadour Apr 24th 2020 11:28 pm

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12843526)
It will be illegal for anyone other than Health officials to access the data from the tracking app.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...rce=reddit.com

Now why doesn't that install confidence in me? Government, or at least this side of politics have long proven that they cannot be trusted. Or at best such guarantees are largely irrelevant. You may recall the Metadata scandal that telco's collected?

moneypenny20 Apr 25th 2020 1:07 am

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Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 12843824)
Now why doesn't that install confidence in me? Government, or at least this side of politics have long proven that they cannot be trusted. Or at best such guarantees are largely irrelevant. You may recall the Metadata scandal that telco's collected?

Preaching to the choir.

Still Game Apr 25th 2020 7:42 am

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So if someone is diagnosed with C-19 who is responsible for changing the app to show that this person is infected?

GarryP Apr 26th 2020 12:26 am

Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus - Aus Govt Tracing App
 

Originally Posted by Still Game (Post 12843909)
So if someone is diagnosed with C-19 who is responsible for changing the app to show that this person is infected?

Although they haven't released said app yet, they say the process looks like :
.
When people downloaded the app they would be required to enter:
  • Their name
  • Their age range
  • Their postcode
  • Their phone number
Then, when people were within 1.5 metres for 15 minutes, the app via Bluetooth, would record the other person's name and phone number. They say it's encrypted on the phone, ...

If someone was confirmed positive, their data goes up to a central data store, so those people who's details had been captured could be called.

Now, if you are paying attention, you will realise why anyone who knows will be noping out. You have to provide personally identifying information, which someone else then records, and for some reason that gets sent to a central store. Obvious issues are that the personal details shouldn't be necessary, the fact that the are captured to your phone makes it possible for someone to use the app to intercept and store said info for their own purposes, and the government grabs the info into a central store - which isn't needed.

the troubadour Apr 26th 2020 3:19 am

Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus - Aus Govt Tracing App
 

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12844270)
Although they haven't released said app yet, they say the process looks like :
.
When people downloaded the app they would be required to enter:
  • Their name
  • Their age range
  • Their postcode
  • Their phone number
Then, when people were within 1.5 metres for 15 minutes, the app via Bluetooth, would record the other person's name and phone number. They say it's encrypted on the phone, ...

If someone was confirmed positive, their data goes up to a central data store, so those people who's details had been captured could be called.

Now, if you are paying attention, you will realise why anyone who knows will be noping out. You have to provide personally identifying information, which someone else then records, and for some reason that gets sent to a central store. Obvious issues are that the personal details shouldn't be necessary, the fact that the are captured to your phone makes it possible for someone to use the app to intercept and store said info for their own purposes, and the government grabs the info into a central store - which isn't needed.

Exactly this. Intrusive seeking of information should be questioned. A simple action such as opening a Term Deposit account the other day, meant a host of questions I have never been asked before such as do I have any children. What has that to do with holding a bank account? It ended up me claiming to be not in possession of a mobile phone as keep a land line open for such purposes.

GarryP Apr 26th 2020 4:59 am

Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus - Aus Govt Tracing App
 

Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 12844289)
Exactly this. Intrusive seeking of information should be questioned. A simple action such as opening a Term Deposit account the other day, meant a host of questions I have never been asked before such as do I have any children. What has that to do with holding a bank account? It ended up me claiming to be not in possession of a mobile phone as keep a land line open for such purposes.

It's been released, and its even more of a cluster**** than expected. The mobile phone number validation seems to be broken/too simplistic on Android and iphone users are expected to keep their phones unlocked and with the app as the foreground task when they are walking around (because they have no access to the develop API side of things).

In short, this is amateur hour and I wouldn't trust it two times over.

Beoz Apr 26th 2020 10:22 am

Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus - Aus Govt Tracing App
 

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12844309)
It's been released, and its even more of a cluster**** than expected. The mobile phone number validation seems to be broken/too simplistic on Android and iphone users are expected to keep their phones unlocked and with the app as the foreground task when they are walking around (because they have no access to the develop API side of things).

In short, this is amateur hour and I wouldn't trust it two times over.

Validation works here. App is in background. Running an Android here.

IPhone might be different as Bluetooth on Apple won't run in backgroud.

Just get on it and be a part of the solution rather than the problem.


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