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direct2dubai Sep 13th 2010 10:58 pm

Contract or permanent?
 
Just wondering if it's better to choose contract or permanent role considering that I'm the secondary income earner and my partner has a stable permanent job. What's the pro's cons?

Bermudashorts Sep 13th 2010 11:14 pm

Re: Contract or permanent?
 
Eh? What? There is no right or wrong answer to your question, it is your choice. Strangers on the internet cannot answer this for you.

NickyC Sep 13th 2010 11:26 pm

Re: Contract or permanent?
 
I've been contracting for 13 years and it's worked out great for us. My OH is a permanent public servant so his job is as safe as it's possible to be. As long as one of you has a regular guaranteed income then it's worth the risk of the other being out of work for a few months between contracts.

The pros are a higher pay rate.

There aren't any cons for me. :)

direct2dubai Sep 13th 2010 11:28 pm

Re: Contract or permanent?
 

Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 8847133)
Eh? What? There is no right or wrong answer to your question, it is your choice. Strangers on the internet cannot answer this for you.

Not asking you to "choose" for me - the question was directed at the pros and cons of contracting vs permanent!

direct2dubai Sep 13th 2010 11:37 pm

Re: Contract or permanent?
 

Originally Posted by NickyC (Post 8847155)
I've been contracting for 13 years and it's worked out great for us. My OH is a permanent public servant so his job is as safe as it's possible to be. As long as one of you has a regular guaranteed income then it's worth the risk of the other being out of work for a few months between contracts.

The pros are a higher pay rate.

There aren't any cons for me. :)

Thanks NickyC for your reply. As a contractor is one entitled to super or not?

NickyC Sep 13th 2010 11:50 pm

Re: Contract or permanent?
 

Originally Posted by direct2dubai (Post 8847171)
Thanks NickyC for your reply. As a contractor is one entitled to super or not?

Depends on how you're set up. Someone has to pay your super - could be your employer or it could be you.

For many years I was contracted via my own company. I was responsible for my own super then but I charged a higher rate to take account of it.

Currently I'm contracted directly with no agency involved. Employer pays super for me - but of course it comes out of my rate really.

Bottom line is - yes you have to have super, and yes you'll be paying it ;).

itxrd Sep 13th 2010 11:57 pm

Re: Contract or permanent?
 
sounds like your after the difference between the 2. in which case google it. shorts has a point

Contract

Amazulu Sep 14th 2010 3:28 am

Re: Contract or permanent?
 

Originally Posted by direct2dubai (Post 8847171)
Thanks NickyC for your reply. As a contractor is one entitled to super or not?

I am a contractor. My hourly rate includes 9% super - which I think is standard practice.

Amazulu Sep 14th 2010 3:29 am

Re: Contract or permanent?
 

Originally Posted by direct2dubai (Post 8847109)
Just wondering if it's better to choose contract or permanent role considering that I'm the secondary income earner and my partner has a stable permanent job. What's the pro's cons?

Always go contract. Permanent is for people who like to be paid less.

itxrd Sep 14th 2010 8:49 am

Re: Contract or permanent?
 
;-)

Permie is for people without balls. If they want to get rid of you they will anyway - whether permie or contract. One of you is perm so its a no brainer

Amazulu Sep 14th 2010 12:01 pm

Re: Contract or permanent?
 

Originally Posted by itxrd (Post 8848260)
;-)

Permie is for people without balls. If they want to get rid of you they will anyway - whether permie or contract. One of you is perm so its a no brainer

Too true. My recent experience has been that when it comes to Spanish Archer time it makes no difference.

Scenario:
Contractor works for a company for 5 years at $100k/year = $500k total
Permie works for same company for 5 years at $60k/year = $300k total

Firing time comes and both are laid off. Contractor walks away with f**k all. Permie walks away with, say, a $30k payout, so a total over 5 years of $330k. Whoopee f**king doo - contractor is ahead by $170k. Also because the contractor can be fired at any time, he's been clever and put away a fair amount of the extra he has earned into his 'unemployment' fund, so is sitting pretty and goes on holiday. Permie will go through that $30k in no time if he can't find a job. Contractor is better off emotionally as he is prepared to be laid off at any time. Permie is a quivering wreck because of his 'betrayal'.

Deancm_MKII Sep 14th 2010 12:08 pm

Re: Contract or permanent?
 

Originally Posted by NickyC (Post 8847201)
Depends on how you're set up. Someone has to pay your super - could be your employer or it could be you.

There is no legal requirement to pay super if you are self-employed. That's only for the employed because employed people are not as good financial managers as the self-employed (or so the government thinks).

Deancm_MKII Sep 14th 2010 12:13 pm

Re: Contract or permanent?
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 8848623)
Too true. My recent experience has been that when it comes to Spanish Archer time it makes no difference.

Scenario:
Contractor works for a company for 5 years at $100k/year = $500k total
Permie works for same company for 5 years at $60k/year = $300k total

Firing time comes and both are laid off. Contractor walks away with f**k all. Permie walks away with, say, a $30k payout, so a total over 5 years of $330k. Whoopee f**king doo - contractor is ahead by $170k. Also because the contractor can be fired at any time, he's been clever and put away a fair amount of the extra he has earned into his 'unemployment' fund, so is sitting pretty and goes on holiday. Permie will go through that $30k in no time if he can't find a job. Contractor is better off emotionally as he is prepared to be laid off at any time. Permie is a quivering wreck because of his 'betrayal'.

Then there is a downturn in the market and projects are put on hold, contracts are being finished and no new contract roles are becoming available. Contractors start to compete for perm roles with permies or drop their rates heavily just to compete with the other thousand contractors competing for the one contract...

Amazulu Sep 14th 2010 12:19 pm

Re: Contract or permanent?
 

Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII (Post 8848652)
Then there is a downturn in the market and projects are put on hold, contracts are being finished and no new contract roles are becoming available. Contractors start to compete for perm roles with permies or drop their rates heavily just to compete with the other thousand contractors competing for the one contract...

Shit happens. Dropping rates is okay as you are still ahead in the long term. As for going permie? It would take several years of unemployment for me to want to go down that road. I would rather go and work in another part of the country or overseas before going permie.

I am a natural born contractor.

KJCherokee Sep 14th 2010 12:21 pm

Re: Contract or permanent?
 
Contractors get a higher hourly rate to compensate for the fact that they don't get paid sick leave or paid holidays and have to make their own superannuation arrangements. I was a contractor and am now a casual staff employee and the hourly rate is the same except that now my employer takes out the 9% super before paying me whereas before I paid it myself. And in my particular case there were good reasons why the switch made sense.

To change the subject slightly, whether you are a contractor or an employee, don't think that the statutory 9% super contribution is going to be enough to fund your retirement - you will need to top that up considerably to be able to retire comfortably.


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