citizenship by conferral as the child of a former Australian citizen
Jan 28th 2019, 9:45 pm
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citizenship by conferral as the child of a former Australian citizen
Hey guys,
I just found a post from 2012 in this Forum which made me really happy:
This 2012 threat is closed already and I'm new here, so I couldnt send John a private message, neither tag him here ;(.
I just wanted to make sure I got this right, an I really, really hope, someone can help me out here:
The Citizenship by referral option for children of former Australian citizens does not imply the residency requirement of 4 years (as it does to the spouse option)!? I already read through FORM1290 (citizenship - other situations) a few years ago and maybe it's due to the fact that English is not my mothertounge, but back then I understood that this was a general requirement for all applicants? According to Johns post, he lived in the UK all his life but then used this option to retrieve Australian citizenship through his moms former citizenship ...
My situation is the following:
Also if all this applies, does it matter that my dad already reaquired his citizenship. Does "Born to a former Australian citizen" refer to my Dads status today or at the time of my birth in 1991?
Also from Johns Post, I'm unable to tell if he was 18 already when he applied. Does that matter?
Thank you guys so much in advance for your help,
Sid
I just found a post from 2012 in this Forum which made me really happy:
Hi All,
I'm squeaky new around here and have a few questions regarding my citizenship application.
I always wanted to have Australian citizenship due to my mother's entire family still living there and wanting to live in Australia at some stage. I only discovered the law had changed in my favour late last year. My mother was born and raised in Australia, but left for Europe in her twenties and took on British citizenship, thus forfeiting her Australian citizenship, long before I was born. With the 2007 amendment to the citizenship act I am now eligible to apply for citizenship, as far as I understand.
I finally sent off my citizenship application in May 2012 and received an acknowledgement email on Monday (18.06.12) confirming that they received my application at the end of May. The fee also has been deducted from my account and they are advising me that it could take up to 4 months to process. I hope that it won't be that long, but suppose I'll have to wait and see (which is really difficult as I am desperately excited at the prospect of finally also being Australian).
Now to my questions:
- Does anyone know if at any point I will need to show the original documents? I.e. Will there be an interview, or will I simply receive a certificate (all going well) confirming my grant of citizenship?
- Also acknowledgement letter has CID number, what does this stand for?
- Is there any way, apart from contacting the department, where I can see how far the application has progressed?
Any help and/or advice would be most welcome!
Thanks in advance - John
I'm squeaky new around here and have a few questions regarding my citizenship application.
I always wanted to have Australian citizenship due to my mother's entire family still living there and wanting to live in Australia at some stage. I only discovered the law had changed in my favour late last year. My mother was born and raised in Australia, but left for Europe in her twenties and took on British citizenship, thus forfeiting her Australian citizenship, long before I was born. With the 2007 amendment to the citizenship act I am now eligible to apply for citizenship, as far as I understand.
I finally sent off my citizenship application in May 2012 and received an acknowledgement email on Monday (18.06.12) confirming that they received my application at the end of May. The fee also has been deducted from my account and they are advising me that it could take up to 4 months to process. I hope that it won't be that long, but suppose I'll have to wait and see (which is really difficult as I am desperately excited at the prospect of finally also being Australian).
Now to my questions:
- Does anyone know if at any point I will need to show the original documents? I.e. Will there be an interview, or will I simply receive a certificate (all going well) confirming my grant of citizenship?
- Also acknowledgement letter has CID number, what does this stand for?
- Is there any way, apart from contacting the department, where I can see how far the application has progressed?
Any help and/or advice would be most welcome!
Thanks in advance - John
I just wanted to make sure I got this right, an I really, really hope, someone can help me out here:
The Citizenship by referral option for children of former Australian citizens does not imply the residency requirement of 4 years (as it does to the spouse option)!? I already read through FORM1290 (citizenship - other situations) a few years ago and maybe it's due to the fact that English is not my mothertounge, but back then I understood that this was a general requirement for all applicants? According to Johns post, he lived in the UK all his life but then used this option to retrieve Australian citizenship through his moms former citizenship ...
My situation is the following:
- Father Australian born 1960
- lost AUS citizenship by the age of 18, became German
- Makes me being born to a former Australian citizen (1991)
- My father regained his AUS citizenship in 2015 / now has both
Also if all this applies, does it matter that my dad already reaquired his citizenship. Does "Born to a former Australian citizen" refer to my Dads status today or at the time of my birth in 1991?
Also from Johns Post, I'm unable to tell if he was 18 already when he applied. Does that matter?
Thank you guys so much in advance for your help,
Sid
Jan 29th 2019, 2:54 am
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Re: citizenship by conferral as the child of a former Australian citizen
Hey guys,
I just found a post from 2012 in this Forum which made me really happy:
This 2012 threat is closed already and I'm new here, so I couldnt send John a private message, neither tag him here ;(.
I just wanted to make sure I got this right, an I really, really hope, someone can help me out here:
The Citizenship by referral option for children of former Australian citizens does not imply the residency requirement of 4 years (as it does to the spouse option)!? I already read through FORM1290 (citizenship - other situations) a few years ago and maybe it's due to the fact that English is not my mothertounge, but back then I understood that this was a general requirement for all applicants? According to Johns post, he lived in the UK all his life but then used this option to retrieve Australian citizenship through his moms former citizenship ...
My situation is the following:
Also if all this applies, does it matter that my dad already reaquired his citizenship. Does "Born to a former Australian citizen" refer to my Dads status today or at the time of my birth in 1991?
Also from Johns Post, I'm unable to tell if he was 18 already when he applied. Does that matter?
Thank you guys so much in advance for your help,
Sid
I just found a post from 2012 in this Forum which made me really happy:
This 2012 threat is closed already and I'm new here, so I couldnt send John a private message, neither tag him here ;(.
I just wanted to make sure I got this right, an I really, really hope, someone can help me out here:
The Citizenship by referral option for children of former Australian citizens does not imply the residency requirement of 4 years (as it does to the spouse option)!? I already read through FORM1290 (citizenship - other situations) a few years ago and maybe it's due to the fact that English is not my mothertounge, but back then I understood that this was a general requirement for all applicants? According to Johns post, he lived in the UK all his life but then used this option to retrieve Australian citizenship through his moms former citizenship ...
My situation is the following:
- Father Australian born 1960
- lost AUS citizenship by the age of 18, became German
- Makes me being born to a former Australian citizen (1991)
- My father regained his AUS citizenship in 2015 / now has both
Also if all this applies, does it matter that my dad already reaquired his citizenship. Does "Born to a former Australian citizen" refer to my Dads status today or at the time of my birth in 1991?
Also from Johns Post, I'm unable to tell if he was 18 already when he applied. Does that matter?
Thank you guys so much in advance for your help,
Sid
www.citizenship.gov,au as there are frequent changes and you need the most up to date nfo. If you are stll stuck then ask on here i a new thread or seek the advice of a registered agent.
You might be able to contact the original poster privately but as you have given no clue where you copied the post from its impossible for me to tell whether he is a regular poster,only visited once and never came back, etc etc so I can't track down whether he has contact options available.
Jan 29th 2019, 5:32 am
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Re: citizenship by conferral as the child of a former Australian citizen
There’s no residency requirement nor age limit for conferral as a child of a former Australian citizen. It refers to your father’s status when you were born, not now, and it doesn’t matter that your father has already regained his Australian citizenship. You should also seek permission from the German government to retain your German citizenship as dual nationality is still restricted under German law.
Jan 30th 2019, 5:23 pm
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so the first thing you need to do is ignore any posts that are several years old, and instead use the official website
www.citizenship.gov,au as there are frequent changes and you need the most up to date nfo
www.citizenship.gov,au as there are frequent changes and you need the most up to date nfo
There’s no residency requirement nor age limit for conferral as a child of a former Australian citizen. It refers to your father’s status when you were born, not now, and it doesn’t matter that your father has already regained his Australian citizenship. You should also seek permission from the German government to retain your German citizenship as dual nationality is still restricted under German law.
Last edited by christmasoompa; Jan 30th 2019 at 5:29 pm. Reason: Posts merged - there is an 'edit' button you can use if you think of another question just after posting.
Jan 30th 2019, 5:31 pm
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Re: citizenship by conferral as the child of a former Australian citizen
Sorry for not opening a new threat. I didnt know that that's not common. Apart from that I find your answer a bit rude. I obviously checked the website I called the department of home affairs and I'm very familiar with the different options, but wasn't exactly sure about its proper interpretation, and they weren't either. That's why I asked.
Jan 30th 2019, 5:54 pm
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Re: citizenship by conferral as the child of a former Australian citizen
There’s no residency requirement nor age limit for conferral as a child of a former Australian citizen. It refers to your father’s status when you were born, not now, and it doesn’t matter that your father has already regained his Australian citizenship. You should also seek permission from the German government to retain your German citizenship as dual nationality is still restricted under German law.
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Re: citizenship by conferral as the child of a former Australian citizen
Sorry for not opening a new threat. I didnt know that that's not common. Apart from that I find your answer a bit rude. I obviously checked the website I called the department of home affairs and I'm very familiar with the different options, but wasn't exactly sure about its proper interpretation, and they weren't either. That's why I asked.
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Jan 30th 2019, 9:32 pm
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Re: citizenship by conferral as the child of a former Australian citizen
Brit, and others... I don't think it's even possible to renounce one's Australian citizenship, is it, whether by action or inaction? I thought - think - that my Australian citizenship continues until I die, and my son's (which he "inherited" from me, although he was born abroad) continues until he dies. He and I have both had Australian passports, which we allowed to lapse; but lapsed passports have no bearing on citizenship, I think. Going into the next generation, my understanding is that his children (born in Norway to Norwegian mothers) could - if they went to Australia as adults - claim a right to Oz citizenship. Is that correct? I've always told them that.
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Jan 30th 2019, 9:44 pm
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Re: citizenship by conferral as the child of a former Australian citizen
Brit, and others... I don't think it's even possible to renounce one's Australian citizenship, is it, whether by action or inaction? I thought - think - that my Australian citizenship continues until I die, and my son's (which he "inherited" from me, although he was born abroad) continues until he dies. He and I have both had Australian passports, which we allowed to lapse; but lapsed passports have no bearing on citizenship, I think. Going into the next generation, my understanding is that his children (born in Norway to Norwegian mothers) could - if they went to Australia as adults - claim a right to Oz citizenship. Is that correct? I've always told them that.
Comments very much welcomed!
Comments very much welcomed!
Presumably your son was registered as an Australian citizen by descent? His own children would only be entitled to Australian citizenship by descent if he has spent at least two cumulative years in Australia. “Going to Australia as an adult” won’t make any difference unless they wishes to go through the same immigration process as anyone else and naturalise in their own right. If your son has spent the required time in Australia then he should register his children as citizens as soon as possible. If they have children of their own outside Australia before they become citizens then the chain is broken and Australian citizenship cannot be passed onto the next generation.
Jan 31st 2019, 12:16 am
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Re: citizenship by conferral as the child of a former Australian citizen
Presumably your son was registered as an Australian citizen by descent? His own children would only be entitled to Australian citizenship by descent if he has spent at least two cumulative years in Australia. “Going to Australia as an adult” won’t make any difference unless they wishes to go through the same immigration process as anyone else and naturalise in their own right. If your son has spent the required time in Australia then he should register his children as citizens as soon as possible. If they have children of their own outside Australia before they become citizens then the chain is broken and Australian citizenship cannot be passed onto the next generation.
I really appreciate your help. Cheers.
Jan 31st 2019, 7:53 am
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Re: citizenship by conferral as the child of a former Australian citizen
Thanks for this, Brit. I had actually gotten this far when perusing the web-page. As it happens, my son has not spent two years in Oz; he's nine months or so short, so I've told him that he would have to go over and make good the missing months, if any of his kids ever wanted to work in Oz. (That would seem to be an easier alternative to going there cold. From what I've read, the process is a bit of a bugger these days.) He asked, rhetorically, why would they want to go there; to which I replied that it's always handy to have additional citizenships. He himself was born outside the country (in England), and it was useful for him to be an Australian when he wanted to go there and drift around.
I really appreciate your help. Cheers.
I really appreciate your help. Cheers.
Jan 31st 2019, 6:39 pm
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*** Scandinavian women and Caribbean men... marriage isn't always on the cards, to be realistic.
Jan 31st 2019, 9:18 pm
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Two girls, 15 & 18. The 18-year-old is a bit of a Goth. I don't really know what a Goth is, technically, but I define it as an apprentice hippy-in-training. It's a phase, we hope. She's not my son's by blood, and he wasn't allowed (by the state) to adopt her while she was a child, though he hopes to do so now she's not. The boy is seven, and autistic - well-functioning, with Asperger's, but he might well have trouble emigrating anywhere, I guess. My son was never married to either of the mothers***, which may or may not be relevant in any emigration scenario.
*** Scandinavian women and Caribbean men... marriage isn't always on the cards, to be realistic.
*** Scandinavian women and Caribbean men... marriage isn't always on the cards, to be realistic.
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Thanks for all your help, Brit.
