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Old Jul 7th 2008, 6:58 am
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Default Change in tax law: losses on UK property rental now deductible in Australia

Given the present housing market in the UK, I'm sure this will be of interest to a few migrants:
http://www.gomatilda.com/news/article.cfm?articleid=463

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Default Re: Change in tax law: losses on UK property rental now deductible in Australia

Originally Posted by Alan Collett
Given the present housing market in the UK, I'm sure this will be of interest to a few migrants:
http://www.gomatilda.com/news/article.cfm?articleid=463

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Thanks for the info Alan.

Just to see if I understand it correctly, if you're mortgage was £800 but your rent was only £700 you would be able to claim the loss of £100 against your income tax in Aus. If this is correct, could it reduce amount of income tax you pay per month or would it just be claimed and repaid at the end of the year in one go?
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WOW! This is QUITE a change. This means that I can get back 35% of ALL losses incurred on my investments outside of Australia. Not bad as the previous laws took Capital Gains Tax but I could not claim any losses. Nice!
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Originally Posted by HoofArted
WOW! This is QUITE a change. This means that I can get back 35% of ALL losses incurred on my investments outside of Australia. Not bad as the previous laws took Capital Gains Tax but I could not claim any losses. Nice!
Remember that these provisions do not apply to capital losses - only losses of an income nature.

Take professional advice if you are unsure what this means.

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Thanks for the info Alan.

Just to see if I understand it correctly, if you're mortgage was £800 but your rent was only £700 you would be able to claim the loss of £100 against your income tax in Aus. If this is correct, could it reduce amount of income tax you pay per month or would it just be claimed and repaid at the end of the year in one go?
The claim for a deduction due to overseas losses would be made on the end of year income tax return, leading to a one off repayment after the return has been submitted to the ATO.

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Just a pointless question but theoretically, if your property in the UK was up for rental for 6 months but no-one rents it does that mean that you can offset the entire costs of the house as a rental property (interest on mortgage, management and maintenance costs, etc) in your Australian return ?
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Originally Posted by Alan Collett
Remember that these provisions do not apply to capital losses - only losses of an income nature.

Take professional advice if you are unsure what this means.

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I understand 100%. I mis-stated the losses. I meant ALL income losses. Interest and management fees, costs etc. This is still a HUGH change which will make keeping my property in the UK all the more worth it!

Now.. lets just hope the capital losses don't rip me a new one...
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Just a pointless question but theoretically, if your property in the UK was up for rental for 6 months but no-one rents it does that mean that you can offset the entire costs of the house as a rental property (interest on mortgage, management and maintenance costs, etc) in your Australian return ?
Possibly - maybe even probably. I'd have to look into this ...

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Originally Posted by Alan Collett
Possibly - maybe even probably. I'd have to look into this ...

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Cheers Alan.

More specifically if you had been renting it up for a year up until say January and decided to put it on the market, thus making it hard to rent, although now you're about to put it back on the rental market, etc. Could that period of non-rental while attempting to sell be seen as a loss on the rental income ?
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Not sure I wholly follow the question, but to adopt a phrase from PM Questions: I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous answer!

In other words, I have to refrain from getting involved in too technical an exchange on a forum, as I have a business to run!

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In other words, I have to refrain from getting involved in too technical an exchange on a forum, as I have a business to run!
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Default Re: Change in tax law: losses on UK property rental now deductible in Australia

So, the big question. Why is the Aus tax man and by proxy the Aus tax payer subsidising* UK (foreign) renters?


* If you don't understand what I mean by subsidising. The reason Aussie rents are low in comparison to the cost of the investment mortgage is because of negative gearing. If the government got rid of negative gearing then rents would rise. The landlords are not going to subsidise the tenants out of their own pockets.
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So, the big question. Why is the Aus tax man and by proxy the Aus tax payer subsidising* UK (foreign) renters?
Who cares, this is great news!
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Default Re: Change in tax law: losses on UK property rental now deductible in Australia

if you were planning to rent out and keep a residential mortage on the hush would this still be justified?
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So, the big question. Why is the Aus tax man and by proxy the Aus tax payer subsidising* UK (foreign) renters?


* If you don't understand what I mean by subsidising. The reason Aussie rents are low in comparison to the cost of the investment mortgage is because of negative gearing. If the government got rid of negative gearing then rents would rise. The landlords are not going to subsidise the tenants out of their own pockets.
Swings and roundabouts though isn't it? Seeing as if you own a house in the UK where the rent income is more than the interest and maintenance payments, you would have to pay Australian tax on the 'income'. It's only fair you get the relief back when it works the other way. Especially as rental income on the UK house is still taxable in the UK as well, even if you are no longer resident.
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