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Old Jul 11th 2011, 10:40 am
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Why not? We are talking about a world problem and possibly the end of the world as we know it. Australia is a very large land mass with few people so it's contribution to world "global warming" is small. Surely the countries that produce the CO2 should be the ones that need to change. Australia emits about 1% of world CO2. This is a gnats piss in the ocean compared to the USA and China. China has a very large population so on a per capita basis their emmisions are small, but based on land mass it is hugh. Everyone is ignoring China but whatever we do is dwarfed by what China does.
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Sure it's strange if the true intention of the Carbon Tax is to redistribute wealth.
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Sure it's strange if the true intention of the Carbon Tax is to redistribute wealth.
It's not probably their conscious decision to do that, but it's buried deep within Juliar's and Wayne's DNA. They can't help it.
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It's not probably their conscious decision to do that, but it's buried deep within Juliar's and Wayne's DNA. They can't help it.
So why is the logic strange?
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Originally Posted by NedKelly
Sure it's strange if the true intention of the Carbon Tax is to redistribute wealth.
The two are inextricably linked, wealth is based on industry which is based on cheap energy.
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Originally Posted by NedKelly
So why is the logic strange?
Read what you said:

>>Why not? We are talking about a world problem and possibly the end of the world as we know it. Australia is a very large land mass with few people so it's contribution to world "global warming" is small. Surely the countries that produce the CO2 should be the ones that need to change. Australia emits about 1% of world CO2. This is a gnats piss in the ocean compared to the USA and China. China has a very large population so on a per capita basis their emmisions are small, but based on land mass it is hugh. Everyone is ignoring China but whatever we do is dwarfed by what China does.<<

With that logic Antarctica is a big candidate for cutbacks!
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Well I'm seriously seriously pissed off. I had Austar set to record the last Hawaii 5 0 and what have I got? 90% of fricking Gillard whittering really really slowly and then a so called panel of 'experts' whittering about her whittering. 10% of the beginning of H50 is not fricking helpful. Bitch!
JTL had programmed Foxtel to change to NCIS but got Hawaii 5 0 instead! I was blaming Hawaii 5 0 for the delay of the airing of NCIS, but now I know who really is to blame. Not happy with that woman who looks more waxed than all the figures out of Madame Tussauds.

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Read what you said:

>>Why not? We are talking about a world problem and possibly the end of the world as we know it. Australia is a very large land mass with few people so it's contribution to world "global warming" is small. Surely the countries that produce the CO2 should be the ones that need to change. Australia emits about 1% of world CO2. This is a gnats piss in the ocean compared to the USA and China. China has a very large population so on a per capita basis their emmisions are small, but based on land mass it is hugh. Everyone is ignoring China but whatever we do is dwarfed by what China does.<<

With that logic Antarctica is a big candidate for cutbacks!
Why, do penguins fart like camels?
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Is there anyone who actually supports this legislation in the form it is in?
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Originally Posted by GarryP
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Australia has failed, big time, over decades, to address its rising CO2 pollution. They're worse than the US FFS. If it takes a tax to stop them looking for a free ride at others expense, then that's what it takes.
What SOOOOO many people fail to understand is the high rate of carbon dioxide pollution attributed to Australia comes largley because we EXPORT our coal and gas to other countries for them to use. However it goes against Australia's carbon dioxide output. Hardly fair; but such nuances seem to be above the understanding of many in the debate.
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Is there anyone who actually supports this legislation in the form it is in?
Bob Brown seems quite keen.
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Old Jul 11th 2011, 11:31 am
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Originally Posted by chris955
But that makes no sense, it has to be based on a per capita formula, it makes absolutely no difference how big the country is if each person produces a huge amount of C02.
of course it makes a HUGE difference. Australia has a sustainable (ie small) population and shouldn't be penalised (ie China gets a free pass over it's carbon dioxide output) by basing her population on a per capita basis. The atmosphere doesn't care about per capita emissions, it cares that China, with it's 1.3 Billion people is pumping billions of tonnes of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. If China was as developed as it wanted to be its per head of capota emsiions would be right up tehre with is; and it will be withing 20-30 years - only China will have 1.30 billion people compared to Oz's 30 million.
No matter what Australia does it will have ZERO impact on the climate of the planet.
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Originally Posted by aussietobe
Australia isn't desperate to be big on the world stage; the ALP government, especially Rudd (whose ego knows NO bounds) who is desperate for that.
I think it's fair to say that the G7 shouldn't be left in charge of the world's economy again.

Maybe it's the world that needs Australia on the stage rather than the other way around
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BTW, if the carbon tax is such an amazingly GREAT idea, why is the rest of the world NOT doing it? On the one hand you denigrate Australian politicians as sub-standard, then you claim the carbon tax is a fantastic idea (as long as it's ramped up, which will happen don't you worry about that)
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America, Canada, Asia, Africa, South America are NOT doing it.
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I think the "rest of the world" is a little larger than that motley crew
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Originally Posted by GarryP
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Australia has failed, big time, over decades, to address its rising CO2 pollution. They're worse than the US FFS. If it takes a tax to stop them looking for a free ride at others expense, then that's what it takes.
So if Aus went carbon neutral tomorrow the problem would be solved? I don't think so.

There are many reasons why a country like the UK has rained in CO2 emissions but they're not really the result of mature politics. The main reason back the late 90s was the switch to gas powered electricity. The other major reason was the decline in industry and switch to services.
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