Grayling

You are right and I think the same things myself.

I have not always lived here or been well off however. I do know that other people's lives are different. If I lived in an inner city I may well feel different.

I was not being critical I was simply returning to the original point I made that the reasons for migration are so different for so many people that the proposed article can not really cover them all.

I will migrate for family reasons and because I can.But then,I do not need to work or worry about Kids. (but I am 25 years older than most on here- what's that worth?).
My circumstances whether I go or not will still be very different to a young couple who need to worry about work,finances,kids etc.
I will be able to buy the nice house etc. Whether I will prefer it or not is another matter. Let's wait and see.

Best wishes

G

OzTennis

High density population? The distance from one side of Melbourne to the other is greater than that of Edinburgh to Glasgow or London to Watford. Not a lot of semi-detached, high rise, narrow frontage houses although they do exist so I reckon the bogeyman is less likely to be near you! Anyway, lets not go on and on about it, I just wanted to pick you up on one or two points.

OzTennis

Grayling

Fair play

G

Grayling

Here's an interesting thought.

In the small town I live in there have been various violent assaults and a couple of murders since we have been living here (no connection).
However because everyone knew the perpetrators and their victims no one was really surprised or concerned. Or felt less safe.

I am sure that this goes on everywhere. It is 'strangers' who scare us not the known 'usual suspects'

G

steven'n'debi

hell yeah!!
i was trying to say that!! just i said it with a scottish twang!!

hope i didnt cause any disharmony in the camp!!
as for the pervert thing! i have quite a few mated here from oz, and even thy say the amount of pervs here is re-dick!! the articles about them in the paper are tiny which is wrong!! no one wants to read it and the papers know!! so they print it and hide then(just like their appologies). but there are loads every day! the justice system dose'nt know how to deal with them and thats the one thing i feel the strongest the most about in my "rant"

nuf said!! time to unsubscribe me thinks!!

PortJackson

Do you read the Australian papers?

anya4oz

Unfortunately the most important distinction in all of this is one that many people seem unable to understand:

asylum seekers are people who are genuinely fleeing oppressive regimes, often in fear of their lives, and thru no fault of their own. They deserve to be treated with humanity, and helped.

economic migrants are people who want to go live in another country because they think they'll be better off. Some people take the legal approach & go thru the visa process and emigrate to say, Oz or Canada to do this; other people take the illegal approach & pay the local 'people trader' to be smuggled to say, the UK, in the back of a truck.

I am the daughter of 2 asylum seekers and am proud of it. My family were welcomed and helped by the most tolerant and kindly people (the Brits) who helped them find work, recover from the trauma, and make a life for themselves & their kids, away from danger.

Knowing what my family went through before they 'sought asylum' in the UK, it pains me more than I can say to see 'asylum seeker' used as a derogatory term, when people really mean 'economic migrant'.

Anya.

Pollyana

Everywhere that you have humans living alongside each other you will have a certain amount who are considered "antisocial" and/or "perverted" by the society they live in. The amount of newspaper inches is irrelevant really.
The people will always be there, whether you know about them or not.

PortJackson

However it seems some people base their whole "dream" on what they read~so perhaps newspaper inches are relevent.

simbacat

The thing is, there are plenty of economic migrants working their butts of as well. I take it people are talking about the ones who come for the free ride. But all are getting called the same and they must all be bad.

MikeStanton

Let's look at the more relevant information, from http://www.immi.gov.au/research/publ...nimpact_2.pdf:

To quote:

'Immigrants departing Australia were predominantly young, highly educated and likely to be employed in professional and skilled jobs, and of European and North American origins.' (and note the differentiation between prof'l and skilled)

'Since persons who enter Australia under the ‘skill’ settlement categories have a greater tendency to remigrate than is the case for those entering under the family and humanitarian categories, this can be expected to increase the overall rate of settler loss. This must be considered an expected result of internationalisation of labour markets.'

'The profile of departures of residents tends to be younger and more educated than the population of the nation as a whole and the spectre of ‘brain drain’ has arisen.'

'Australia is very definitely still experiencing a ‘brain gain’ in terms of there being a net gain recorded in each skill area. Nevertheless, the skill profile of emigration remains higher than that of immigration. Moreover, the gap between numbers of skilled immigrants and the number of skilled emigrants is decreasing. Hence, we are experiencing a greater ‘turnover’ of skilled personnel than in the past.'

In other words, Oz is losing its best and brightest - and mainly to US, UK and Europe.

Still, why worry, cos there's always the footy and Oz TV......

PortJackson

Who is playing?

Phoenixuk2oz

The point YOU raised Mike was with regards to Skilled Professionals being the least to enter Australia under migration.

The FACTS as noted by DIMIA i.e the quota of INCOMMING professionals demonstrates this as your perception......not reality

The EXITING of professional Australians is another topic Mike so lets not smokescreen your original point that you put forward

Quite obviously your original point was YOUR PERCEPTION and not reality....

Regarding "Brain drain from Aus"; This is a different matter. So what figures and facts do you put to this then? [a credible source of statistics rather than perception please].

BTW: For what it's worth.....it is understandable why professionals leave Aus. If professionals exit [or enter] Aus for the money.... then this is the wrong country. Australia has many things of value that are worth emigrating for....but it's not the earning potential

andrew63

This thread has become far too serious for what is normally an entertaining and enlightening board
Out of character for me, I will try and answer the original question with humour and (DISCLAIMER) there is no offence intended by the use of names and places.

Liverpool manager Gerard Houllier sends scouts out round the World
looking for a new striker to replace Emile Heskey and hopefully win
Liverpool the title. One of his scouts informs him of a young Iraqi
striker who he thinks will turn out to be a true superstar. So Gerard
flies to Iraq to watch him and is suitably impressed and arranges for
him to come over to Anfield. Two weeks later Liverpool are 4-0 down at
home to Man Utd with only 20 minutes left. Houllier gives the young
Iraqi striker the nod to go on and he takes off Emile Heskey. The lad is
a sensation, scores 5 in 20 minutes and wins the game for Liverpool. The
fans are delighted, the players and coaches are delighted and the media
love the new star. When he comes off the pitch he phones his Mum to tell
her about his first day in English football.

"Hi Mum, guess what?" he says. "I played for 20 minutes today, we were
4-0 down but I scored 5 and we won. Everybody loves me, the fans, the
players and the media, they all love me".

"Great," says his Mum, "let me tell you about my day. Your father got
shot in the street, your sister and I were raped and beaten and your
brother has joined a gang of looters, while you were having a great
time". The young lad is very upset. "What can I say Mum, but I'm so
sorry".

"Sorry!" says his Mum, "It's your bloody fault that we moved to
Liverpool in the first place!"

Andrew

anya4oz

ROFL!!! Very good indeed Andrew! Got any more like that?

Anya.