Moses2013

A bit like Sydney then and if it wasn't for the rain it wouldn't be geographically blessed.

aries

There is also Adelaide ranked 6th in the world’s most liveable cities, ahead of Perth and Sydney. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/17/the-...le-cities.html It has a population of 1.3 million, but being much more spacious than UK cities of similar numbers, it is a big improvement.

Melbourne is a bigger more worldy city, but of course properties are more expensive.

Beoz

Here are the categories.

Stability, health care, culture and environment, education and infrastructure

Melbourne doesn't even have a train to the airport. Nor does Adelaide. As for Auckland, you have to drive through single lane suburban streets to get to its airport.

What is culture? I never found anything resembling culture in Auckland.

Poor public transport in New York and Paris? Seriously?

That article and list is incorrect on many fronts.

Beoz

Snow in winter, mountains nearby. The combination of the 2 equals a bloody good weekend.

spouse of scouse

I wonder if the mods can just merge all the Sydney vs Melbourne threads, there must be dozens of them and they ALL go the same way.

Beoz

Why? It makes an interesting read as to people think makes a good city. Time also varies what makes a good city so merging one from 2008 would not be applicable in 2017.

spouse of scouse

Fair enough.

Kooky.

We live in Sydney, and love it. We visit Melbourne (husband more often than I do, he has staff and clients there) and like it very much.

For me, sorry to seem shallow but it comes down to weather. Melbourne gets so damn cold, and the cold makes me miserable.

I agree that, for IT (supply side at least), you need to concentrate on these two options.

evets

This made me chuckle, Sydney gets roughly as cold as Melbourne. And this is exaggerated by the dire housing in both cities.

Melbourne, from what I understand has less rain than Sydney but will never compete on the beaches and much more appealing beach life.

Kooky.

Yes I understand it has less rain, I haven't compared temperatures but honestly I feel the biting cold more there. I love the vibe and I'm not very beachy but could no sooner live there than I could Canberra (which gets way too cold for me and IMO is totally devoid of any vibe at all).

GarryP

Sydney seems to get ~2C less cold than Melbourne in the winters, but similar summer temps. It does however have twice as much rain, all through the year, and gets more humid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climat...ate_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climat...y#Climate_data

As I've said to others, Melbourne has a climate better than the South of France - so it's hardly going to be a hardship.

bcworld

Sydney winters are sunny, Melbourne's are dreary. I think it gives the winters a quite different feel.

Conversely Sydney gets stuck in patterns in summer when it just doesn't stop raining.

Kooky.

Oh it's definitely all relative. Although as evets suggests, a lot of housing stock here is not built for the cold. Possibly better if you live in a house and/or self-build but my modern apartment in Sydney has single glazing (and 3/4 rooms have full glass walls and patio doors) and no built-in heating.

Sorry, didn't mean to turn this into a discussion on the weather (so British at times!), but the OP asked for pros and cons and this is definitely a factor for me.

Beoz

London has less rain in terms of millimetres precipitation than the both. But it is precipitating a lot more of the time.

The thing with Sydney, when it does rain, it gets it all out of its system in one foul swoop leaving a lot more time for sunny activities. ..... and greener vegetation.

Sydney has a total of 238 days with sun. Melbourne has a total of 185.

Beoz

Here is the latest survey. This time for families.

https://www.homeday.de/en/family-index-international/

I am still at a loss how Auckland keeps appearing in these things. Its got to be one of the most boring, unattractive, soulless places I have ever been to.