Black refugees not welcome in Tamworth
Dec 19th 2006, 5:57 am
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Re: Black refugees not welcome in Tamworth
Originally Posted by Vinny van Gogh
Careful... you wil be accused of being a racist as I have been - usually by those have no idea what I am talking about! 
It occures to me that if we changed the context and said...lets all us brits vote for a brits in the next aussie town elections and maybe take over the town council, they will jump and say...naw mate its impossible.....
It occures to me that if we changed the context and said...lets all us brits vote for a brits in the next aussie town elections and maybe take over the town council, they will jump and say...naw mate its impossible.....
Dec 19th 2006, 5:57 am
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Re: Black refugees not welcome in Tamworth
Originally Posted by Vinny van Gogh
Careful... you wil be accused of being a racist as I have been - usually by those have no idea what I am talking about!
It occures to me that if we changed the context and said...lets all us brits vote for a brits in the next aussie town elections and maybe take over the town council, they will jump and say...naw mate its impossible.....
It occures to me that if we changed the context and said...lets all us brits vote for a brits in the next aussie town elections and maybe take over the town council, they will jump and say...naw mate its impossible.....
You said it yourself, it is very difficult to hold an opinion on immigration without somebody accusing you of being racist.... and before anybody else says it, Yes, I am well aware that I am now an immigrant in Australia, as was my father to the UK.
Dec 19th 2006, 6:05 am
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Re: Black refugees not welcome in Tamworth
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I was born and raised in Central Manchester and went to school in Moss Side, so I think my multi-culture credentials are fairly secure.. that doesn't stop me thinking that its entire concept was flawed. The premise that large scale immigration could best be absobed into the UK by making the indegenious populations adapt to the immigrants needs and not expecting the immigrants to adapt their ways to the UK way was a major mistake.
But many immigrants have adapted to UK life. African Carribbeans are an example with almost 1 in 3 marrying white British partners and Asians who are not muslims e.g. Sikh and hindus have for the most part adapted well. On my recent visit to the UK I noticed that young Asians not of a religious muslim background are looking more and more westernised.
I grew up in Leicester which was and I still believe is 25% Asian - so I'm no Guardian reader. Back in my day young girls of my age would be wearing saris and have long hair, almost uniformly. Now they wear jeans and often have short hair. The boys actually have long hair.
I tend to agree that for some sectors of the migrant population multiculturalism hasn't worked. I noticed that more religious muslims were covering their faces, wear prayer caps and long robes. So it doesn't surprise me that many of the posters here who are skeptical of immigration come from places like Oldham etc. It seems that the more similar the culture to begin with the more easily adaption can occur.
Also the second thing is that Britain is primarily a secular, irreligious society and some of the differences and tensions between groups lie there.
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
I was born and raised in Central Manchester and went to school in Moss Side, so I think my multi-culture credentials are fairly secure.. that doesn't stop me thinking that its entire concept was flawed. The premise that large scale immigration could best be absobed into the UK by making the indegenious populations adapt to the immigrants needs and not expecting the immigrants to adapt their ways to the UK way was a major mistake.
I grew up in Leicester which was and I still believe is 25% Asian - so I'm no Guardian reader. Back in my day young girls of my age would be wearing saris and have long hair, almost uniformly. Now they wear jeans and often have short hair. The boys actually have long hair.
I tend to agree that for some sectors of the migrant population multiculturalism hasn't worked. I noticed that more religious muslims were covering their faces, wear prayer caps and long robes. So it doesn't surprise me that many of the posters here who are skeptical of immigration come from places like Oldham etc. It seems that the more similar the culture to begin with the more easily adaption can occur.
Also the second thing is that Britain is primarily a secular, irreligious society and some of the differences and tensions between groups lie there.
Dec 19th 2006, 6:13 am
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Re: Black refugees not welcome in Tamworth
Originally Posted by Vinny van Gogh
If as one memeber of the thread stated, you have lived with it..you can understand it...if you aint...what do you know about it.
Dec 19th 2006, 6:13 am
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Re: Black refugees not welcome in Tamworth
Originally Posted by Princess Leia
Also the second thing is that Britain is primarily a secular, irreligious society
That's change for you!
Dec 19th 2006, 6:15 am
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Re: Black refugees not welcome in Tamworth
[QUOTE=Princess Leia]
But many immigrants have adapted to UK life. African Carribbeans are an example with almost 1 in 3 marrying white British partners and Asians who are not muslims e.g. Sikh and hindus have for the most part adapted well. On my recent visit to the UK I noticed that young Asians not of a religious muslim background are looking more and more westernised.
I grew up in Leicester which was and I still believe is 25% Asian - so I'm no Guardian reader. Back in my day young girls of my age would be wearing saris and have long hair, almost uniformly. Now they wear jeans and often have short hair. The boys actually have long hair.
I tend to agree that for some sectors of the migrant population multiculturalism hasn't worked. I noticed that more religious muslims were covering their faces, wear prayer caps and long robes. So it doesn't surprise me that many of the posters here who are skeptical of immigration come from places like Oldham etc. It seems that the more similar the culture to begin with the more easily adaption can occur.
Also the second thing is that Britain is primarily a secular, irreligious society and some of the differences and tensions between groups lie there.
There was a time when I firmly believed that the Asian community would eventually 'dissapear' into the rest of the population, as countless other groups have done over the generations. I now doubt that this will ever happen. While the general appearance may be becoming more Westernised I feel the Asian community itself is turning back in on itself. Islamic fundamentalism, while only practised by a small minority, is how the rest of the UK now see Asians.. and its driving a massive wedge between them.
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
But many immigrants have adapted to UK life. African Carribbeans are an example with almost 1 in 3 marrying white British partners and Asians who are not muslims e.g. Sikh and hindus have for the most part adapted well. On my recent visit to the UK I noticed that young Asians not of a religious muslim background are looking more and more westernised.
I grew up in Leicester which was and I still believe is 25% Asian - so I'm no Guardian reader. Back in my day young girls of my age would be wearing saris and have long hair, almost uniformly. Now they wear jeans and often have short hair. The boys actually have long hair.
I tend to agree that for some sectors of the migrant population multiculturalism hasn't worked. I noticed that more religious muslims were covering their faces, wear prayer caps and long robes. So it doesn't surprise me that many of the posters here who are skeptical of immigration come from places like Oldham etc. It seems that the more similar the culture to begin with the more easily adaption can occur.
Also the second thing is that Britain is primarily a secular, irreligious society and some of the differences and tensions between groups lie there.
Dec 19th 2006, 6:19 am
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Re: Black refugees not welcome in Tamworth
[QUOTE=iamthecreaturefromuranus]
There was a time when I firmly believed that the Asian community would eventually 'dissapear' into the rest of the population, as countless other groups have done over the generations. I now doubt that this will ever happen.
As I've said, I think the success depends on the levels of equality. If your Asian or migrant is well educated, in the workforce and mixing then there's no issues. If your Asian or migrant is marginalised then there is a problem.
Originally Posted by Princess Leia
There was a time when I firmly believed that the Asian community would eventually 'dissapear' into the rest of the population, as countless other groups have done over the generations. I now doubt that this will ever happen.
Dec 19th 2006, 6:23 am
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Re: Black refugees not welcome in Tamworth
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As I've said, I think the success depends on the levels of equality. If your Asian or migrant is well educated, in the workforce and mixing then there's no issues. If your Asian or migrant is marginalised then there is a problem.
Absolutely... and given that the UK has had close to 20 years of uninterrupted economic growth, and still has major problems along these lines, God help us when the downturn comes and high levels of unemployment return.
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
As I've said, I think the success depends on the levels of equality. If your Asian or migrant is well educated, in the workforce and mixing then there's no issues. If your Asian or migrant is marginalised then there is a problem.
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Dec 19th 2006, 7:46 am
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Re: Black refugees not welcome in Tamworth
Originally Posted by jad n rich
Accepting immigrants from civilised western cultures does not guarantee they wont commit crimes, australia accepts immigrants from UK, what was last weeks post on perth, teen stabbed by Pommie Gang. Tamworth mob find that out they probably wont want Poms either.
The next time I'm given a choice of living next door to a white family from a western, civilised society, who have passed stringent police checks, medicals, English language tests and have thousands of pounds capital against a family from a war torn African state who possess none of these attributes, I'll be sure to choose the latter.
Dec 19th 2006, 7:52 am
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Re: Black refugees not welcome in Tamworth
Originally Posted by Dom the Pom
Couldn't agree more.
The next time I'm given a choice of living next door to a white family from a western, civilised society, who have passed stringent police checks, medicals, English language tests and have thousands of pounds capital against a family from a war torn African state who possess none of these attributes, I'll be sure to choose the latter.
The next time I'm given a choice of living next door to a white family from a western, civilised society, who have passed stringent police checks, medicals, English language tests and have thousands of pounds capital against a family from a war torn African state who possess none of these attributes, I'll be sure to choose the latter.
what on earth does having money have to do with any of this. Are you trying to say that having money makes you a better person to live next door to? That has to be one of the worst cases of snobbery i've ever heard
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Dec 19th 2006, 7:56 am
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Re: Black refugees not welcome in Tamworth
Originally Posted by movetoperth
what on earth does having money have to do with any of this. Are you trying to say that having money makes you a better person to live next door to? That has to be one of the worst cases of snobbery i've ever heard
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Dec 19th 2006, 8:31 am
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Re: Black refugees not welcome in Tamworth
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
It may be a generalization but I think having a few quid in your pocket makes you less likely to commit crime, particulary property crime.
Dec 19th 2006, 8:36 am
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Re: Black refugees not welcome in Tamworth
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
It may be a generalization but I think having a few quid in your pocket makes you less likely to commit crime, particulary property crime.
IMO snobbery and racism are one in the same, it's all about believing you are better than someone else for whatever reason and the world is a much sadder place for it.
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Dec 19th 2006, 9:33 am
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Re: Black refugees not welcome in Tamworth
Originally Posted by Dom the Pom
Couldn't agree more.
The next time I'm given a choice of living next door to a white family from a western, civilised society, who have passed stringent police checks, medicals, English language tests and have thousands of pounds capital against a family from a war torn African state who possess none of these attributes, I'll be sure to choose the latter.
The next time I'm given a choice of living next door to a white family from a western, civilised society, who have passed stringent police checks, medicals, English language tests and have thousands of pounds capital against a family from a war torn African state who possess none of these attributes, I'll be sure to choose the latter.
Who says they dont have checks, medicals X rays, blood tests etc. What do you think australia does in goes in chucks thousands of airline tickets into the air and takes whoever grabs them
. Australias taking migrant families with loads of young children, the precise age group australia needs.
Dec 19th 2006, 9:56 am
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Re: Black refugees not welcome in Tamworth
Originally Posted by movetoperth
Yes that is a bl**dy great sweeping generalisation. and one which quite honestly flabergasts and disgusts me. It's about time that people accepted people for who they are, not what colour they are, what language they speak and especially not for how much money you think they have.
IMO snobbery and racism are one in the same, it's all about believing you are better than someone else for whatever reason and the world is a much sadder place for it.
Lynn
IMO snobbery and racism are one in the same, it's all about believing you are better than someone else for whatever reason and the world is a much sadder place for it.
Lynn