A better tommorrow
May 3rd 2004, 11:16 pm
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A better tommorrow
One of the main reasons sited by starry eyed Daily Mail reading Poms for moving to Oz is for the good of their kids. Now I realise this must be something they kid themselves upon, as well as Blair and the EU enlargement, asylum seekers blah blah.
How does this equate in the real world though?
The poor wages and employment oppurtunities in Australia
The remoteness/lack of international travel
The high (especially young male) suicide rate
The fact that any clued up ozzie teenagers want to leave Aus suburban banality in search of a life in Europe
To all those POM immos, I suggusr that you keep hold of a 2004 edition of the mail/express talking about Albanian pimps/crack dealers to help consoul your fed up adolescents when they encounter these limitations of Aus.
Good luck
How does this equate in the real world though?
The poor wages and employment oppurtunities in Australia
The remoteness/lack of international travel
The high (especially young male) suicide rate
The fact that any clued up ozzie teenagers want to leave Aus suburban banality in search of a life in Europe
To all those POM immos, I suggusr that you keep hold of a 2004 edition of the mail/express talking about Albanian pimps/crack dealers to help consoul your fed up adolescents when they encounter these limitations of Aus.
Good luck
May 4th 2004, 4:09 am
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re aussie aussie wages?
According to a UK government report, the average gross weekly UK wage in 2003 was 522.60 GBP ( ($1281AUD) for men and 394.80 GBP($967.91 AUD) for women.
The average australian weekly wage for 2003 was $939.60.
Now, these raw figures do not tell the whole story. In 2003, the average home loan in the UK was 86,100 GBP ($211,190 AUD), whereas for Australia in the same period it was $171,523.
OK granted, these figures show UK workers earn about 25% more than Australian workers, and have home loans on average 3.2 x their annual income, (compared to an average home loan of 3.4 x average salary in australia).
Personally, I found things a lot easier here, and I realise that I was very fortunate. Within 2 years of emigrating to Australia, I picked up a position that pays me double what I was on in the UK
At the end of the day, it boils down to what you are happy with: if you want to buy some terraced house in the UK, then so be it.
If you want to have to commute several hours a day, because you work in London, and simply cannot afford to live there, again thats your choice.
Personally I prefer to buy a typical aussie house (detached bungalow, swimming pool, place to keep the car off road). I also prefer the more relaxed lifestyle, the sunnier, warmer weather, having parrots visit my garden.
I worry about my sons, still living in Surrey and being told they qualify for an 80,000 pound mortgage, where in that part of the country, a run-down ex council house costs at least 130,000.
As for the clued up aussie youth leaving australia as soon as they can, yes I agree, I know a lot who did, but most came back a few years later, at the same time at least doubling up their overseas savings by virtue of the favourable exchange rate.
Sources
UK statistics
Australian statistics
UK housing loans
Australian housing loan
According to a UK government report, the average gross weekly UK wage in 2003 was 522.60 GBP ( ($1281AUD) for men and 394.80 GBP($967.91 AUD) for women.
The average australian weekly wage for 2003 was $939.60.
Now, these raw figures do not tell the whole story. In 2003, the average home loan in the UK was 86,100 GBP ($211,190 AUD), whereas for Australia in the same period it was $171,523.
OK granted, these figures show UK workers earn about 25% more than Australian workers, and have home loans on average 3.2 x their annual income, (compared to an average home loan of 3.4 x average salary in australia).
Personally, I found things a lot easier here, and I realise that I was very fortunate. Within 2 years of emigrating to Australia, I picked up a position that pays me double what I was on in the UK
At the end of the day, it boils down to what you are happy with: if you want to buy some terraced house in the UK, then so be it.
If you want to have to commute several hours a day, because you work in London, and simply cannot afford to live there, again thats your choice.
Personally I prefer to buy a typical aussie house (detached bungalow, swimming pool, place to keep the car off road). I also prefer the more relaxed lifestyle, the sunnier, warmer weather, having parrots visit my garden.
I worry about my sons, still living in Surrey and being told they qualify for an 80,000 pound mortgage, where in that part of the country, a run-down ex council house costs at least 130,000.
As for the clued up aussie youth leaving australia as soon as they can, yes I agree, I know a lot who did, but most came back a few years later, at the same time at least doubling up their overseas savings by virtue of the favourable exchange rate.
Sources
UK statistics
Australian statistics
UK housing loans
Australian housing loan
May 4th 2004, 4:11 am
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PS another reason for leaving the UK was to get away from the middle class tory values that rags like the Daily Mail peddle!
May 4th 2004, 4:13 am
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Originally posted by Trevglas
PS another reason for leaving the UK was to get away from the middle class tory values that rags like the Daily Mail peddle!
PS another reason for leaving the UK was to get away from the middle class tory values that rags like the Daily Mail peddle!
May 4th 2004, 4:20 am
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Originally posted by bondipom
To a country run by John howard!
To a country run by John howard!
May 4th 2004, 5:14 am
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Didn't think anyone was going to reply to this. 30+ views before someone replied.
The original poster's a troll.
He's been to Australia, he's '.....lived there for a year'. And whilst he was there, he '...hated the place'.
He also said he would like to tell the mother of his wife (who is Australian) to, '....shove her f**king Straylia'
Doesn't sound like anyone who's open to intelligent debate about the pros and cons to me.
The original poster's a troll.
He's been to Australia, he's '.....lived there for a year'. And whilst he was there, he '...hated the place'.
He also said he would like to tell the mother of his wife (who is Australian) to, '....shove her f**king Straylia'
Doesn't sound like anyone who's open to intelligent debate about the pros and cons to me.
May 4th 2004, 5:50 am
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Originally posted by young_lad
Didn't think anyone was going to reply to this. 30+ views before someone replied.
The original poster's a troll.
He's been to Australia, he's '.....lived there for a year'. And whilst he was there, he '...hated the place'.
He also said he would like to tell the mother of his wife (who is Australian) to, '....shove her f**king Straylia'
Doesn't sound like anyone who's open to intelligent debate about the pros and cons to me.
Didn't think anyone was going to reply to this. 30+ views before someone replied.
The original poster's a troll.
He's been to Australia, he's '.....lived there for a year'. And whilst he was there, he '...hated the place'.
He also said he would like to tell the mother of his wife (who is Australian) to, '....shove her f**king Straylia'
Doesn't sound like anyone who's open to intelligent debate about the pros and cons to me.
I can understand some people hating the place, what I can't understand is why they can't see that people are different, and that quite a few people do actually like it here.
May 4th 2004, 5:51 am
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Originally posted by jad n rich
If John Howards a worry, what about Mark Latham. That is a very scary proposal for Australia and yet has a very real chance of getting in. Makes UK pollies look like real professionals. Latham in we are OUT.
If John Howards a worry, what about Mark Latham. That is a very scary proposal for Australia and yet has a very real chance of getting in. Makes UK pollies look like real professionals. Latham in we are OUT.
May 4th 2004, 6:59 am
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Bondi,
Not to sure about the Mail, more likely the Telegraph.
Come to think about it, both rags have long words in them, so I guess that makes him a potential Sun reader?
Certainly the sensationalist approach of the Sun would be right up his street.
Not to sure about the Mail, more likely the Telegraph.
Come to think about it, both rags have long words in them, so I guess that makes him a potential Sun reader?
Certainly the sensationalist approach of the Sun would be right up his street.
May 4th 2004, 7:32 am
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Originally posted by Trevglas
Bondi,
Not to sure about the Mail, more likely the Telegraph.
Come to think about it, both rags have long words in them, so I guess that makes him a potential Sun reader?
Certainly the sensationalist approach of the Sun would be right up his street.
Bondi,
Not to sure about the Mail, more likely the Telegraph.
Come to think about it, both rags have long words in them, so I guess that makes him a potential Sun reader?
Certainly the sensationalist approach of the Sun would be right up his street.
May 4th 2004, 8:37 am
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Sunday Sport reader.
May 4th 2004, 9:39 am
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Originally posted by young_lad
Didn't think anyone was going to reply to this. 30+ views before someone replied.
The original poster's a troll.
He's been to Australia, he's '.....lived there for a year'. And whilst he was there, he '...hated the place'.
He also said he would like to tell the mother of his wife (who is Australian) to, '....shove her f**king Straylia'
Doesn't sound like anyone who's open to intelligent debate about the pros and cons to me.
Didn't think anyone was going to reply to this. 30+ views before someone replied.
The original poster's a troll.
He's been to Australia, he's '.....lived there for a year'. And whilst he was there, he '...hated the place'.
He also said he would like to tell the mother of his wife (who is Australian) to, '....shove her f**king Straylia'
Doesn't sound like anyone who's open to intelligent debate about the pros and cons to me.
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