Beoz

So you didn't stop and pause then.

I guess that wraps that up then. Big Australia it is.

the troubadour

I guess Dubbo could be a lifestyle choice for the kids away from the hell that Sydney is becoming. But really wouldn't you want better for them?


I think the stopping and pausing needs to come from within the ranks you feverishly support before all hope is lost.

Beoz

I tend to think Wollongong and Newcastle would be for those who want a small city near Sydney. Rather than Dubbo. Australians like to live near the coast in general.

Of course, the straightening of the rail lines needs to come up the priority list, which it will. They have the plan right though, starting at the centre and working out from there. But an easy commute between the 3 places would open up a world of opportunities for whatever floats one's boat.

Personally I am very much looking forward to the 8 million, the vibrancy, the buzz, the variety, the opportunities.

Pity you will never get the choice of Wollongong, Newcastle or Sydney, stuck unhappily in Perth thinking about how life has passed you by.

the troubadour

Nope. Pretty much on the road to ruin as well. Over loading Sydney has seen to that as essential workers flock to where ever be' more affordable'.


Why stop at 8 million. Why not 12 million? Of course as they age bigger numbers will be required to substitute the never ending Ponzi.
All because Beoz doesn't care to take a hit on his over priced pile.


The road to ruin. Thankfully not in Sydney actually. As you know a boring city that found it hard to recruit European workers.


Move to Dacca should assist your lust for population overload excitement. That's in Bangla Desh by the way.

Beoz

Let's go 12. I will be dead by then but I am sure it will get there one day, though there are some natural geographical barriers. National Parks to the South, West and North. Sea to the east. However there is a massive army barracks they could grow into in the South, very beautiful but full of unexploded bombs, unlikely to be ever made habitable.

You have no concept of time do you? You seem to think all this will happen tomorrow.

And the resentment is just frightening.

the troubadour

Sort of says it all. I mean "You'll be dead" by the time absolute destructive forces take hold.
What is frightening is your inability to explain why over loading a city like Sydney or Melbourne is at all desirable. The inability to articulate is horrifying.


I know planning is not an Australian strong point, short termism being the way, but your obsessive nature in something you haven't thought through is as I say frightening.


Although you are increasing becoming a marginal voice in proceedings as more people awake to the disaster awaiting them.


Something never discussed mind you. Worse not allowed to be discussed. Take the medicine and don't ask questions.


Crass individualism and greed have never bid well. Yours usually results in loneliness and no sense of belonging.

Beoz

Ask again in 5 years. Your opinions will sidelined into oblivion. Already are to be frank.

Don't get left behind.

the troubadour

Pointless responding to the robotic responses of the poster above. Repetitive and senseless replies which do not touch on let alone address the great issues building in this country.


The Big Australia campaign has been something almost came out of nowhere, but was kicked off by the dreadful Howard Coalition Government (as did the housing 'boom') and further stocked up during the so termed 'mining boom'.


To be fair both sides of politics support the concept of Big Australia. The matter was never brought into public for discussion, the media has been largely curtailed from discussing it (big business and media, real estate all go together)


Australia is undertaking something quite possibly not attempted previously.


We are increasing our population at record rates and way above the western world along with a lot of the developing world.


They attempt to sell it off as the importation of the best and brightest. The facts read differently.


Those from a professional degree background from Non English speaking countries (India, China, etc ) 84% could not find employment in their area where degree obtained.
Even only 50% of those from English speaking countries (UK, Canada, etc) were able to source employment related to their degree expertise.


Statistics are from Australian Population Research ....


It is total lies that this country is short of skilled labour in most areas. At least nothing that normal rates of immigration would fix that being under 100,000.
Some commentators are pushing a return to 70,000, but I'd be willing to go higher.

Beoz

The rest is just pointless babble. But this stat is interesting.

For the English speakers, that percentage is way to high. We should expect skilled migrants to be working in areas where there are no dedicated degrees. Areas of innovation, new industries and jobs. Of course someone with your blinkers would think all people should work in a job with the same name as the degree.

We need more of these to replace the non English speakers. Those who lack the four C's from developing world. Communication, Culture (got to understand the culture you are working in), Creativity, and Confidence.

That stat should be somewhere down near 15% of skilled migrants should end up working in the same job as their degree.

the troubadour

Now that the lid has been clearly lifted on the fallacy of Australia requiring skilled labour in such numbers, (I mean why bring in professionals to work way under their educational acquirements, in jobs that require little to no education, while at the same time displacing local based workers from such jobs?) there is absolutely no logical excuse in bringing in Record Immigration, outside of feeding the greed frenzy of the Real Estate, Migration, Banking, Business interests , another argument is often used.


That is the fact that Australia is ageing, (although not to the extent of Japan and certain European countries like Italy, Germany, Spain etc) The lie goes that bringing in migrants somehow stems the flow of this process.
Forgetting that migrants age as well and ever more are going to be required meaning ever record immigration to counter ageing and hence a Ponzi Scheme.

Beoz

Pretty simple mate. The Australian born won't to work in 7 Eleven.

Not the first time Australia or many other countries immigrate people from the developing world to do jobs locals don't do.

I can't even call "fear of change" on you on that one as it's been going on for decades.

the troubadour

Further to the importation of degree and above migrants unable to get jobs within their skill range, being obliged to work in jobs well under their qualifications, the questions should be asked why Australian political parties are all compliant in this. Even The Greens. Surely extending the carbon footprint not to say the increasingly disagreeable conditions of life in Australia's two principle city's goes against Greens basic ethics? Appears not.


Even here in Perth waiting times in hospitals are ever increasing and we are now well behind in the business of migration importation regardless of necessity.


Sydney, now of course one of the most unavoidable cities on earth, more so than London, New York and Tokyo, (todays media release) making it ever less an acceptable place to live or indeed want to live.


Especially as people are forced ever further out into soulless, poorly connected suburbs due to affordability. Does indeed sound like a recipe for disaster in the not too distant future.

Beoz

Given up the argument then? Maybe you could just say "hey I was wrong"

Job done here

the troubadour

I don't respond any longer to lobbyists more concerned with their falling real estate pile than the well being of the city they actually inhabit.


I concern myself with the facts. Those facts show close to 80% of people polled at unhappy with population growth on third world levels, a city increasingly out of reach of the people living there as costs surmount London, New York and Tokyo.


A city whose character is being smashed before its eyes. A process that has never been discussed, debated or allowed to be brought into the open for discussion. The odd times that it sees light the response is enormous.


The fact being the population beyond the rent seekers whom I constantly point out, do not want a turbo charged allegedly skilled migration horde, where the majority fail to obtain work in 'their supposed skilled profession' but compete with your average worker in employment, non affordable housing, the clogging up of hospitals, public transport, schools, the list goes on all for no benefit than attempt to prevent a recession and housing crash.


Afraid your arguments are check mated, irrelevant, ideologically driven without thought or worse care for the consequences.


So being a public forum feel free to continue your frankly, quite bizarre statements, of course, but little need for a response to someone who applauds the destruction going on around them.

the troubadour

An interesting feature around the article by William Bourke on The Domainfax two days back, forgot to mention.


150+ comments when looked late mostly not favourable to the article (Pro Big, obviously) but next morning all comments disappeared and a 'Comments not Open on this Article' was in place.


Yep. Their worried. It's out of the bag and won't be put back. Regardless of media censorship ......