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ABCDiamond Dec 30th 2009 4:26 pm

Average Internet speeds
 
This is bound to create some controversy:


Average Internet Speeds

Ave Speed : State/Country
  1. 5,356kbps : TAS
  2. 5,297kbps : NSW
  3. 5,133kbps : VIC
  4. 4,767kbps : Australia
  5. 4,648kbps : QLD
  6. 4,436kbps : United Kingdom
  7. 4,352kbps : SA
  8. 4,296kbps : WA
  9. 3,602kbps : ACT

http://www.ausinfo101.com/internet

Centurion Dec 30th 2009 4:41 pm

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Yay I'm below average...again :p

ABCDiamond Dec 30th 2009 5:05 pm

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Originally Posted by Centurion (Post 8207835)
Yay I'm below average...again :p

I'm just checking to see if I can get a speed boost from 1,500 to 24,512 for just $39.95 pm :fingerscrossed:

ozzieeagle Dec 30th 2009 6:08 pm

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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond (Post 8207868)
I'm just checking to see if I can get a speed boost from 1,500 to 24,512 for just $39.95 pm :fingerscrossed:

24 Mbps will probably give you an actual download rating of around 12 - 18 Mbps... depending on how far you are from the exchange.

Telstra have rolled out 100 Mbps in Melbourne now..... that'll be expensive !

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/160879...-100-mbps.aspx

kiwi_child Dec 30th 2009 6:40 pm

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If this government internet filter conroy wants whacked on gets going, watch those internet speeds tumble. Country will become a joke internationally.

ABCDiamond Dec 30th 2009 8:38 pm

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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 8207950)
24 Mbps will probably give you an actual download rating of around 12 - 18 Mbps... depending on how far you are from the exchange.

10 times my current speed, and for $20 per month LESS, :fingerscrossed: :fingerscrossed:

technocracy Dec 30th 2009 10:05 pm

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Also I would highly expect that those are the average speeds from the house to the termination point. Rather than across the state wide network let alone the International peering bandwidth.

In short just because you connect at 4Mbps at you're house it doesn't mean diddly in actual performance of using the internet.

The UK has a far higher density of actual services available on the Internet and the backbone around the country is far superior to the Oz. Not to mention the lack of population density in Oz.

But that said you should try some providers over in this part of the world!

:)

ABCDiamond Dec 31st 2009 1:54 am

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Originally Posted by technocracy (Post 8208248)
Also I would highly expect that those are the average speeds from the house to the termination point. Rather than across the state wide network let alone the International peering bandwidth.

The definition for those figures is:


Our test measures actual data throughput between your computer and our distributed network of servers to give you an idea of how fast your broadband connection is in the real world. We calculate the speed of your Internet connection by calculating the time it takes to download a predefined set of data.
The figures were based on the average of 215,408 tests in Australia and 331,981 tests in the United Kingdom.

Darren-Debbie Dec 31st 2009 2:07 am

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didn't test mine, I'm lucky to get 80kbps :confused:

ozzieeagle Dec 31st 2009 3:13 am

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Originally Posted by kiwi_child (Post 8207979)
If this government internet filter conroy wants whacked on gets going, watch those internet speeds tumble. Country will become a joke internationally.

If all else fails, then it's back to IRC... There are so many holes within that protocol that I cant believe the government are even contemplating this.

Lets see them plug this up....

http://www.mirc.com/

ozzieeagle Dec 31st 2009 3:18 am

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Originally Posted by Darren-Debbie (Post 8208848)
didn't test mine, I'm lucky to get 80kbps :confused:


Use this for accuracy ;)

http://www.speedtest.net/

Stu Ward Dec 31st 2009 4:56 am

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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond (Post 8207868)
I'm just checking to see if I can get a speed boost from 1,500 to 24,512 for just $39.95 pm :fingerscrossed:

From Whom may i ask ?

Stu

Banksia Dec 31st 2009 10:57 am

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Originally Posted by Stu Ward (Post 8209258)
From Whom may i ask ?

Stu

http://www.tpg.com.au/products_servi...us_pricing.php if you live on top of your local telephone exchange.

ABCDiamond Dec 31st 2009 12:42 pm

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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 8209021)
Use this for accuracy ;)

http://www.speedtest.net/

How accurate are they ?
My result using Brisbane to London
http://www.speedtest.net/result/668435925.png I have a 1.5Mb connection :confused:

ABCDiamond Dec 31st 2009 12:46 pm

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Originally Posted by Stu Ward (Post 8209258)
From Whom may i ask ?

Stu

iPrimus
http://www.iprimus.com.au/PrimusWeb/...bandInternet/#

ADSL2+ Family 40GB (20GB peak + 20GB off peak [10am-2am]) $39.95

Many of the ADSL2+ plans are about that price, but not all are available. iPrimus however, using the Telstra network, appear to be available in most areas.

technocracy Dec 31st 2009 1:01 pm

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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond (Post 8209953)
How accurate are they ?
My result using Brisbane to London
http://www.speedtest.net/result/668435925.png I have a 1.5Mb connection :confused:

They aren't accurate in the slightest. They'll give you a general idea but there is so many factors that come into play such as the load of the testing server, congestions on links etc etc.

The original list is totally unrealistic/nonsense in my opinion. The figures are based upon usage of the ZDNet Speed Test service - so in other words if a Internet Service provide in Oz has used it for testing it's own 100+Meg links they'll also be included in the figures and inflate the average.

I mean do you really believe that Latvia households average 16Mbps or Romania 11Mbps?

I can actually believe the Korean and Hong Kong figures - to a certain extent knowing particularly Korea has basically the best ISP networks in the world. On the nonsense side of things do you really think that Australia has faster access than Singapore?! Singapore for those who don't know is a major peering point for most of Asia and Oz and has numerous submarine fibres. They provide Ethernet services to most building on the island and free internet in most malls etc.

All the Speedtest providers proclaim to provide accurate testing however as said above only on a freak circumstance of timing will you get pure clean download speed. Otherwise you will be in congested links or servers or PoPs - whatever which will distort the figures.

:)

Edit: Just as a comparison I just did a speed test of my service with both - ZDNet estimate 0.86 and Speedtest estimated 0.96 . . 100k difference which for a 1mpbs is 10% - so draw your own conclusions on the accuracy of things.

ABCDiamond Dec 31st 2009 1:48 pm

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Originally Posted by technocracy (Post 8209963)
I mean do you really believe that Latvia households average 16Mbps or Romania 11Mbps?
.

I had wondered about that, but found that Latvia uses a direct and high- speed connection in Stockholm, Sweden, and has very fast connections, eg:

Telecoms in Latvia
Lattelecom announces jump to 500 Mbps fiber to the home
They appear to be increasing their current 100 Mbps service, with 200Mbps and 500Mbps offerings.



Originally Posted by technocracy (Post 8209963)
On the nonsense side of things do you really think that Australia has faster access than Singapore?! Singapore for those who don't know is a major peering point for most of Asia and Oz and has numerous submarine fibres.

Most of these tests measure the current internet speed to the nearest server.
We don't need submarine fibres for Brisbane to Brisbane internet connection :D
A different story for worldwide Internet connections though.

I think these results only give an indication of what proportion of users have the higher speeds available to them. eg: Latvia may not have any 256k Broadband connections, meaning the averages will be higher than those countries that do have the slower connections available.

eg:

Australian Internet Broadband speeds
December 2007
51.7% BroadBand under 1.5Mbs
48.3% BroadBand 1.5Mbs and above
28.2% of all Broadband is 8Mbs or higher

silver Dec 31st 2009 2:29 pm

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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond (Post 8210003)
I had wondered about that, but found that Latvia uses a direct and high- speed connection in Stockholm, Sweden, and has very fast connections, eg:
They appear to be increasing their current 100 Mbps service, with 200Mbps and 500Mbps offerings.


Most of these tests measure the current internet speed to the nearest server.
We don't need submarine fibres for Brisbane to Brisbane internet connection :D
A different story for worldwide Internet connections though.

I think these results only give an indication of what proportion of users have the higher speeds available to them. eg: Latvia may not have any 256k Broadband connections, meaning the averages will be higher than those countries that do have the slower connections available.

eg:

Transact are also pushing speeds.. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n39312455/ of 1 Gbps. But this is only the "access" leg of the network. Totally agree technocracy there are many points to the network and the real world result is impacted by the weakest/most congested link in the path and the number of hops.

ozzieeagle Dec 31st 2009 2:43 pm

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Originally Posted by silver (Post 8210059)
Transact are also pushing speeds.. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n39312455/ of 1 Gbps. But this is only the "access" leg of the network. Totally agree technocracy there are many points to the network and the real world result is impacted by the weakest/most congested link in the path and the number of hops.

Got to admit I was really looking forwards to my fast connection. It's been slightly disappointing thusfar. It's fairly difficult to get torrents to download any faster than 1.5 Mbps and direct links any faster than 2 Mbps. I think Australias main problem is still download Quota. It's getting better... but very very slowly. TPG were supposed to have released a Jumbo plan of 500 gigs download late last year, but that got canned for some reason. I dont think there is a provider that offers any more than 175 gigs at present, before you get shaped to 256ks.

If Live Video streaming is viewable at 1.5 Mbps, I'm left wondering why everyone is chasing fast broadband downloads.... Only reason I can think of is a household that has multi requirements for its one broadband line.

IInet have a very interesting set up with their system, where they offer different speeds within your plan. You can set it for a different type of connection.... Accuracy, Gaming or Speed.... something to do with Ping rates, which I'm not fully conversant with. I set mine for Accuracy (faster ping rate = less speed for some reason ???) in the end... which reduced my speed from circa 18Mbps to 13 Mbps.... errm as measured by Speedtest.

Maybe we should be pushing for more download quota than speed is my point, especially here in Aus.

datamile Dec 31st 2009 2:43 pm

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I didn't know about primus using telstra network. Like everyone in this end of redlands, I'm stuck on resold adsl1 ( iinet ) , or the evil bigpond.

iinet did just double most of their allowances for asdl1 ;), and I might have to go from 1.5 to 8k line to use it. Still like the no contract of iinet over the others 2 year deals.

Their freezone is also good for itunes/ games etc.

ABCDiamond Dec 31st 2009 2:59 pm

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Originally Posted by datamile (Post 8210081)
I didn't know about primus using telstra network. Like everyone in this end of redlands, I'm stuck on resold adsl1 ( iinet ) , or the evil bigpond.

I didn't till I spent a few hours looking the other day, and now I am waiting for a 100% confirmation about this $39.95 plan.

The website says it is available, but when I went to sign up, it offers me the ADSL2+ Extra Family 36GB plan for $99.95.

I am wanting confirmation from them, as they also say: "iPrimus cannot at present provide this service on a Fast Transfer or to customers transferring from networks other than Telstra."

The result from iPrimus, after entering my phone number is:
Your Exchange: Victoria Point
Services available in your area: ADSL2+/ADSL

TPG state: ADSL2+ service is currently NOT available in Victoria Point. Your exchange supports an ADSL connection with speeds up to 8000k/384k.

aanet state: Standard ADSL1 services are available in your area

gmralston Dec 31st 2009 5:51 pm

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Brisbane
http://www.speedtest.net/result/665347830.png

gmralston Dec 31st 2009 5:54 pm

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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond (Post 8209953)
How accurate are they ?
My result using Brisbane to London
http://www.speedtest.net/result/668435925.png I have a 1.5Mb connection :confused:

That's good considering the distance, the amount of servers and undersea cables and the rest

silver Dec 31st 2009 6:27 pm

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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 8210080)
Got to admit I was really looking forwards to my fast connection. It's been slightly disappointing thusfar. It's fairly difficult to get torrents to download any faster than 1.5 Mbps and direct links any faster than 2 Mbps. I think Australias main problem is still download Quota. It's getting better... but very very slowly. TPG were supposed to have released a Jumbo plan of 500 gigs download late last year, but that got canned for some reason. I dont think there is a provider that offers any more than 175 gigs at present, before you get shaped to 256ks.

If Live Video streaming is viewable at 1.5 Mbps, I'm left wondering why everyone is chasing fast broadband downloads.... Only reason I can think of is a household that has multi requirements for its one broadband line.

IInet have a very interesting set up with their system, where they offer different speeds within your plan. You can set it for a different type of connection.... Accuracy, Gaming or Speed.... something to do with Ping rates, which I'm not fully conversant with. I set mine for Accuracy (faster ping rate = less speed for some reason ???) in the end... which reduced my speed from circa 18Mbps to 13 Mbps.... errm as measured by Speedtest.

Maybe we should be pushing for more download quota than speed is my point, especially here in Aus.

Live video streams in HD need more bandwidth than 1.5Mbps so this is a big push. Also IP video depending on how its done can place a large load on a providers backbone (in video on demand type applications where you are not using multicast) .

I am not keen on quotas (especially the really small ones offered by Telstra). But current plans in the 100gig range are effectively unlimited for most people (except those who do a lot of P2P) as they will rarely reach that. Bring lots of HD Video streams and it all changes...

This video does cover some interesting ideas on where technology and internet access may go..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgzAmKHSqFI

Banksia Dec 31st 2009 6:44 pm

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Whirlpool is currently conducting its annual survey of customer satisfaction.

http://whirlpool.net.au/survey/

Why not help keep ISPs on their toes?

bigAPE Dec 31st 2009 7:22 pm

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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 8207950)
24 Mbps will probably give you an actual download rating of around 12 - 18 Mbps... depending on how far you are from the exchange.

I'm on a 30Mbps Cable service and I get 25-34Mbps 95% of the time, occasionally drops for short periods to about 20-25Mbps

http://www.speedtest.net/result/668571882.png


Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 8207950)
Telstra have rolled out 100 Mbps in Melbourne now..... that'll be expensive!

That's Cable, not ADSL, and you have subscribe to a Home Premium TV service for $269 a month to get it.

ozzieeagle Dec 31st 2009 7:51 pm

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Originally Posted by bigAPE (Post 8210281)
I'm on a 30Mbps Cable service and I get 25-34Mbps 95% of the time, occasionally drops for short periods to about 20-25Mbps

http://www.speedtest.net/result/668571882.png


That's Cable, not ADSL, and you have subscribe to a Home Premium TV service for $269 a month to get it.

I can change my speed upwards with IInet.... I've gone for accuracy and less drop outs. Check out the Ping rate.... Son loves it for his on line games.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/668581186.png

Amazulu Jan 1st 2010 2:34 am

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19-ishMb on an ADSL2+ line - we are about 1km from the exchange.

I downloaded part 2 (800Mb) of Day of the Triffids (great programme, check it out) in under 10 minutes the other day.

I am very happy with my internet connection.

Darren-Debbie Jan 4th 2010 7:20 am

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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 8209021)
Use this for accuracy ;)

http://www.speedtest.net/

http://www.speedtest.net/result/671848244.png
WOW!

IvanM Jan 4th 2010 8:51 am

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I was on about 14000 on ADSL2+ but now back on ADSL1 and down to 1300.

Cable means using Telstra or Optus and neither are good value. Often cable is the only means to connect though. Cable is also a shared medium and you are at the mercy of your neighbours.

I could get ADSL2+ at my exhange but am waiting for Internode to finish off their DSLAM build.

Frankly I would avoid TPG as you would be sharing your network with a bunch of Bittorrent hungry downloaders. IInet are OK but that bloke on their phone line is annoying.

So in Oz you will be OK if you have a 2+ provider in your exchange but if you are stuck on a RIM in a housing estate or are rural you are stuffed. NextG wireless is OK but an expensive alternative.

Online gamers also have it hard and get high latencies when playing anyone overseas. The new PIPE link to Guam (an internet hub) is bringing down prices and increasing quotas. The NBN will bring on the need for a lot more overseas bandwidth.

Wol Jan 4th 2010 9:12 am

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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond (Post 8210101)
I didn't till I spent a few hours looking the other day, and now I am waiting for a 100% confirmation about this $39.95 plan.

The website says it is available, but when I went to sign up, it offers me the ADSL2+ Extra Family 36GB plan for $99.95.

I am wanting confirmation from them, as they also say: "iPrimus cannot at present provide this service on a Fast Transfer or to customers transferring from networks other than Telstra."

The result from iPrimus, after entering my phone number is:
Your Exchange: Victoria Point
Services available in your area: ADSL2+/ADSL

TPG state: ADSL2+ service is currently NOT available in Victoria Point. Your exchange supports an ADSL connection with speeds up to 8000k/384k.

aanet state: Standard ADSL1 services are available in your area

See my previous threads on the ways that Telstra scam you on availability with other providers than BigPuddle. :thumbdown:

gattone Jan 9th 2010 8:44 pm

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Originally Posted by technocracy (Post 8209963)
I mean do you really believe that Latvia households average 16Mbps or Romania 11Mbps?

Romanian cities are crowded (so the network infrastructure is very cheap to build) while the rural areas have no ISPs (so they are not "pushing down" the average speeds). For about 35 mbps download and 3 mbps upload (without any traffic limit) I'm paying now EUR 7 per month (= about AUD$ 11) in Romania.

77hil Jan 9th 2010 9:34 pm

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I download quite a few bits and bobs if you know what I mean. ;) Is iinet the best and cheapest provider for heavy downloading?

ozzieeagle Jan 9th 2010 9:39 pm

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Originally Posted by 77hil (Post 8234086)
I download quite a few bits and bobs if you know what I mean. ;) Is iinet the best and cheapest provider for heavy downloading?


Them or TPG. TPG have faster throttle speeds.... IE when you reach your limit, your not slowed down quite as much....IInet down to 128kbs TPG down to 256Kbs.


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