Australian Republic before King George VII
Jul 29th 2013, 9:54 pm
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Re: Australian Republic before King George VII
As much as I dislike the monarchy, this had nothing to do with them. The Queen made it clear at the time she would not intervene. The Governor-General, John Kerr, was the one who dismissed the Whitlam government of the time. It was an Australian issue, dealt with by Australians in Australia - an issue caused by dirty politics from the Liberal opposition. There is nothing to suggest that a President with similar powers would not have done the same as the Governor-General.
Jul 29th 2013, 10:06 pm
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Re: Australian Republic before King George VII
As much as I dislike the monarchy, this had nothing to do with them. The Queen made it clear at the time she would not intervene. The Governor-General, John Kerr, was the one who dismissed the Whitlam government of the time. It was an Australian issue, dealt with by Australians in Australia - an issue caused by dirty politics from the Liberal opposition. There is nothing to suggest that a President with similar powers would not have done the same as the Governor-General.
Jul 29th 2013, 11:23 pm
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Re: Australian Republic before King George VII
Far too much focus can be put onto the monarchy in this, which I feel had relatively little, if anything, to do with the dismissal. Dirty politics by the Liberal opposition under Fraser was the reason for the blocking of supply in parliament, and that is what brought on the "crisis".
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Jul 30th 2013, 12:29 am
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Re: Australian Republic before King George VII
Whether or not that is true, the decision to dismiss the government was in the hands of the Governor-General. He made the decision to do that.
Far too much focus can be put onto the monarchy in this, which I feel had relatively little, if anything, to do with the dismissal. Dirty politics by the Liberal opposition under Fraser was the reason for the blocking of supply in parliament, and that is what brought on the "crisis".
Far too much focus can be put onto the monarchy in this, which I feel had relatively little, if anything, to do with the dismissal. Dirty politics by the Liberal opposition under Fraser was the reason for the blocking of supply in parliament, and that is what brought on the "crisis".
Jul 30th 2013, 2:18 am
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Re: Australian Republic before King George VII
And as long as everyone believes that, then a republic will happen.
Many do actually believe it, and are quite surprised when they learn the real truth
In each of the states, the monarch is represented by a governor, appointed directly by the Queen on the advice of each of her respective AUSTRALIAN state governments.
The Governer Generals are Australian citizens.
Under the constitution, ONLY the sovereign not the family, has the power to disallow a bill within one year of the Governor-General having granted Royal Assent. However, this has never been used, in over 100 years.
In my view, the only power that the sovereign holds, is the one to dissolve parliament, and allow the people to re-choose who they wish to lead them.
This power has been used only ONCE, in 1975, and the people took the opportunity to choose a new party to govern them.
The peoples choice in the new election resulted in the sitting party losing 30 seats from its 91 seats for the previous 66 seats. The previous opposition went from 61 seats to 91.
The Queen allowed the people to make a VERY decisive choice. Would a Politically, Financially, Power motived president, make such a move?
That is one question for people to consider.
Getting back to the German descent thing...
The 3rd Prime Minister of Australia, in 1904, had a German Grandparent.
The last Prime Minister was Welsh. Australians seem not to be too bothered about the original nationality of a person they chose to control them.
Many do actually believe it, and are quite surprised when they learn the real truth
In each of the states, the monarch is represented by a governor, appointed directly by the Queen on the advice of each of her respective AUSTRALIAN state governments.
The Governer Generals are Australian citizens.
In my view, the only power that the sovereign holds, is the one to dissolve parliament, and allow the people to re-choose who they wish to lead them.
This power has been used only ONCE, in 1975, and the people took the opportunity to choose a new party to govern them.
The peoples choice in the new election resulted in the sitting party losing 30 seats from its 91 seats for the previous 66 seats. The previous opposition went from 61 seats to 91.
The Queen allowed the people to make a VERY decisive choice. Would a Politically, Financially, Power motived president, make such a move?
That is one question for people to consider.
Getting back to the German descent thing...
The 3rd Prime Minister of Australia, in 1904, had a German Grandparent.
The last Prime Minister was Welsh. Australians seem not to be too bothered about the original nationality of a person they chose to control them.
Jul 30th 2013, 3:15 am
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Re: Australian Republic before King George VII
Under the constitution, ONLY the sovereign not the family, has the power to disallow a bill within one year of the Governor-General having granted Royal Assent. However, this has never been used, in over 100 years.
The Queen allowed the people to make a VERY decisive choice. Would a Politically, Financially, Power motived president, make such a move?
Getting back to the German descent thing...
The 3rd Prime Minister of Australia, in 1904, had a German Grandparent.
The last Prime Minister was Welsh. Australians seem not to be too bothered about the original nationality of a person they chose to control them.
The last Prime Minister was Welsh. Australians seem not to be too bothered about the original nationality of a person they chose to control them.
Jul 30th 2013, 4:49 am
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Re: Australian Republic before King George VII
Some costs involved could be:
- Currency - all coins currently have Queen's head, so does $5 note
- Changes in Governor's office for each state, as the Governors represent the Queen for their state
- Costs involved in altering the constitution - not only the federal one, but probably also each state
- Cost of running the actual referendum (even if at same time as an election, it would still cost extra)
- Cost of running any plebiscites, as currently the republican people want to run 2 or 3 of these to determine what they actually want
- Stationery
- Potential change of national flag
- Potential change of state flags
- There would probably be a push for the President to be more visible than the Governor-General is, so extra costs involved with this potentially including more overseas trips, and receiving more state visits to show off their shiny new President
Give him a chance.
Jul 30th 2013, 5:05 am
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Re: Australian Republic before King George VII
Like all kids that grow up and leave home, they'll be shocked at the costs involved but it's part of growing up. They've been living with mum and dad paying 20 bucks a week house keeping for 200 years, but instead of saving, they've thought they're bullet proof and pissed it up and bought lots of flash toys.
I do however think that waiting for mum to die before leaving would be extremely crass and in bad taste, best do it now so she can look at them with pride knowing they've grown up to be fine young adults
I do however think that waiting for mum to die before leaving would be extremely crass and in bad taste, best do it now so she can look at them with pride knowing they've grown up to be fine young adults
Jul 30th 2013, 8:32 am
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Re: Australian Republic before King George VII
AFAIK since the passage of Australia Act 1986 the only remaining power of the Queen of Australia is to appoint the Governor-General of Australia on the advice of the Prime Minister of Australia.
Jul 30th 2013, 8:49 am
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Re: Australian Republic before King George VII
And as long as everyone believes that, then a republic will happen.
Many do actually believe it, and are quite surprised when they learn the real truth
In each of the states, the monarch is represented by a governor, appointed directly by the Queen on the advice of each of her respective AUSTRALIAN state governments.
The Governer Generals are Australian citizens.
Under the constitution, ONLY the sovereign not the family, has the power to disallow a bill within one year of the Governor-General having granted Royal Assent. However, this has never been used, in over 100 years.
In my view, the only power that the sovereign holds, is the one to dissolve parliament, and allow the people to re-choose who they wish to lead them.
This power has been used only ONCE, in 1975, and the people took the opportunity to choose a new party to govern them.
The peoples choice in the new election resulted in the sitting party losing 30 seats from its 91 seats for the previous 66 seats. The previous opposition went from 61 seats to 91.
The Queen allowed the people to make a VERY decisive choice. Would a Politically, Financially, Power motived president, make such a move?
That is one question for people to consider.
Getting back to the German descent thing...
The 3rd Prime Minister of Australia, in 1904, had a German Grandparent.
The last Prime Minister was Welsh. Australians seem not to be too bothered about the original nationality of a person they chose to control them.
Many do actually believe it, and are quite surprised when they learn the real truth
In each of the states, the monarch is represented by a governor, appointed directly by the Queen on the advice of each of her respective AUSTRALIAN state governments.
The Governer Generals are Australian citizens.
Under the constitution, ONLY the sovereign not the family, has the power to disallow a bill within one year of the Governor-General having granted Royal Assent. However, this has never been used, in over 100 years.
In my view, the only power that the sovereign holds, is the one to dissolve parliament, and allow the people to re-choose who they wish to lead them.
This power has been used only ONCE, in 1975, and the people took the opportunity to choose a new party to govern them.
The peoples choice in the new election resulted in the sitting party losing 30 seats from its 91 seats for the previous 66 seats. The previous opposition went from 61 seats to 91.
The Queen allowed the people to make a VERY decisive choice. Would a Politically, Financially, Power motived president, make such a move?
That is one question for people to consider.
Getting back to the German descent thing...
The 3rd Prime Minister of Australia, in 1904, had a German Grandparent.
The last Prime Minister was Welsh. Australians seem not to be too bothered about the original nationality of a person they chose to control them.
Jul 30th 2013, 8:53 am
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Re: Australian Republic before King George VII
She is a figurehead in Australia, nothing more. The vast majority realise that and no doubt is reflected in the results of polls where the idea of a republic isnt particularly popular. The UK will probably never become a republic but it will probably happen one day in Australia and I guarantee it wont affect a single person in any tangible way.
Jul 30th 2013, 9:06 am
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Re: Australian Republic before King George VII
Like all kids that grow up and leave home, they'll be shocked at the costs involved but it's part of growing up. They've been living with mum and dad paying 20 bucks a week house keeping for 200 years, but instead of saving, they've thought they're bullet proof and pissed it up and bought lots of flash toys.
I do however think that waiting for mum to die before leaving would be extremely crass and in bad taste, best do it now so she can look at them with pride knowing they've grown up to be fine young adults
I do however think that waiting for mum to die before leaving would be extremely crass and in bad taste, best do it now so she can look at them with pride knowing they've grown up to be fine young adults
Australia has always been a net creditor. The UK is the one who is poor and has no future.
Jul 30th 2013, 9:09 am
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Jul 30th 2013, 9:34 am
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Re: Australian Republic before King George VII
Technically, but as we have seen with the infamous wedding phone call, they still have undue influence in Australia because their head of family is head of state and that is to be respected. So it is.