Australian Entry For Nz Citizen's
Sep 26th 2002, 12:04 pm
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Australian Entry For Nz Citizen's
Hello all,
I just wondered if anyone could advise me.
We are currently in the process of applying to Australia under the Business Owner category, with my husband being the main applicant.
But when I read 'Got NZ PR - what about Aus too? ' I wondered if I should be appying. I am a NZ citizen, born there, but came to the UK in 1986. I thought the rules had changed last year in Feb so I was not entitled to apply. But if someone can get NZ PR and then apply for Aus it made me think again. This maybe a much easier way, but what about my husband, who is English and my 3 children, they have NZ passports by decent?
Your thoughts will be appreciated.
Kind regards to you all,
Cinderella
I just wondered if anyone could advise me.
We are currently in the process of applying to Australia under the Business Owner category, with my husband being the main applicant.
But when I read 'Got NZ PR - what about Aus too? ' I wondered if I should be appying. I am a NZ citizen, born there, but came to the UK in 1986. I thought the rules had changed last year in Feb so I was not entitled to apply. But if someone can get NZ PR and then apply for Aus it made me think again. This maybe a much easier way, but what about my husband, who is English and my 3 children, they have NZ passports by decent?
Your thoughts will be appreciated.
Kind regards to you all,
Cinderella
Sep 26th 2002, 1:18 pm
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Re: Australian Entry For Nz Citizen's
> But if someone can get NZ PR and then apply for Aus it made me think
> again.
I think you're confusing the issue here. A NZ PR (or citizen for that matter) is not barred from applying for an Australian PR visa. The point to note here is that the person who is a new NZ PR has no special benefit when it comes to applying for an Australian PR visa. It's not as if the NZ PR is given an easier route to get an Aussie PR.
> This maybe a much easier way, but what about my husband,
> who is English and my 3 children, they have NZ passports by decent?
As a NZ citizen, you (and your children who are also NZ citizens) are permitted to enter and remain in Australian even without applying for a PR visa. You are entitled to work there as well. Only drawback is that social benefits are not accessible to you while you are not an Aussie PR. Your husband on the other hand, who is not a NZ citizen, will have no such work/residency privileges - he will have to get an appropriate visa in order to live and work in Australia.
Peter
> again.
I think you're confusing the issue here. A NZ PR (or citizen for that matter) is not barred from applying for an Australian PR visa. The point to note here is that the person who is a new NZ PR has no special benefit when it comes to applying for an Australian PR visa. It's not as if the NZ PR is given an easier route to get an Aussie PR.
> This maybe a much easier way, but what about my husband,
> who is English and my 3 children, they have NZ passports by decent?
As a NZ citizen, you (and your children who are also NZ citizens) are permitted to enter and remain in Australian even without applying for a PR visa. You are entitled to work there as well. Only drawback is that social benefits are not accessible to you while you are not an Aussie PR. Your husband on the other hand, who is not a NZ citizen, will have no such work/residency privileges - he will have to get an appropriate visa in order to live and work in Australia.
Peter
Sep 26th 2002, 7:58 pm
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Re: Australian Entry For Nz Citizen's
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> Hello all,
> I just wondered if anyone could advise me.
> We are currently in the process of applying to Australia under the
> Business Owner category, with my husband being the main applicant.
> But when I read 'Got NZ PR - what about Aus too? ' I wondered if I
> should be appying. I am a NZ citizen, born there, but came to the UK
> in 1986. I thought the rules had changed last year in Feb so I was
> not entitled to apply. But if someone can get NZ PR and then apply
> for Aus it made me think again. This maybe a much easier way, but what
> about my husband, who is English and my 3 children, they have NZ
> passports by decent?
> Your thoughts will be appreciated.
> Kind regards to you all,
> Cinderella
> --
> Cinderella
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
hope its help
"cinderella" ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó
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> Hello all,
> I just wondered if anyone could advise me.
> We are currently in the process of applying to Australia under the
> Business Owner category, with my husband being the main applicant.
> But when I read 'Got NZ PR - what about Aus too? ' I wondered if I
> should be appying. I am a NZ citizen, born there, but came to the UK
> in 1986. I thought the rules had changed last year in Feb so I was
> not entitled to apply. But if someone can get NZ PR and then apply
> for Aus it made me think again. This maybe a much easier way, but what
> about my husband, who is English and my 3 children, they have NZ
> passports by decent?
> Your thoughts will be appreciated.
> Kind regards to you all,
> Cinderella
> --
> Cinderella
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Sep 26th 2002, 8:57 pm
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Re: Australian Entry For Nz Citizen's
NZ citizens can live in Australia but no longer get PR automatically.
You and your children will be entitled to the special visa given to
New Zealand citizens on arrival -
http://www.nz-oz.gov.au
But you would not be able to sponsor your husband for permanent
residence. Instead, all you could sponsor him for would be a
restricted five year visa and if you were to die or your marriage
ended for some reason, his position in Australia would be tenuous with
no rights at all in New Zealand.
Plus, without PR none of you could qualify for certain welfare
benefits or ever apply for Australian citizenship.
So I would still get Australian PR separately if you want to go to
Australia. Otherwise I would be suggesting that you go to New Zealand
for a while, where your husband could get NZ citizenship (and your
children upgrade to full NZ citizenship, they currently won't be able
to pass on NZ citizenship to any future children they have born
outside NZ).
Jeremy
>On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 03:58:09 +0800, "Meawo~" wrote:
>u go first, the rest go for re-union
>hope its help
>"cinderella" ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó
>news:425882.1033041874@britishexpat-
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>> Hello all,
>> I just wondered if anyone could advise me.
>> We are currently in the process of applying to Australia under the
>> Business Owner category, with my husband being the main applicant.
>> But when I read 'Got NZ PR - what about Aus too? ' I wondered if I
>> should be appying. I am a NZ citizen, born there, but came to the UK
>> in 1986. I thought the rules had changed last year in Feb so I was
>> not entitled to apply. But if someone can get NZ PR and then apply
>> for Aus it made me think again. This maybe a much easier way, but what
>> about my husband, who is English and my 3 children, they have NZ
>> passports by decent?
>> Your thoughts will be appreciated.
>> Kind regards to you all,
>> Cinderella
>> --
>> Cinderella
>> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
You and your children will be entitled to the special visa given to
New Zealand citizens on arrival -
http://www.nz-oz.gov.au
But you would not be able to sponsor your husband for permanent
residence. Instead, all you could sponsor him for would be a
restricted five year visa and if you were to die or your marriage
ended for some reason, his position in Australia would be tenuous with
no rights at all in New Zealand.
Plus, without PR none of you could qualify for certain welfare
benefits or ever apply for Australian citizenship.
So I would still get Australian PR separately if you want to go to
Australia. Otherwise I would be suggesting that you go to New Zealand
for a while, where your husband could get NZ citizenship (and your
children upgrade to full NZ citizenship, they currently won't be able
to pass on NZ citizenship to any future children they have born
outside NZ).
Jeremy
>On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 03:58:09 +0800, "Meawo~" wrote:
>u go first, the rest go for re-union
>hope its help
>"cinderella" ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó
>news:425882.1033041874@britishexpat-
>s.com ...
>> Hello all,
>> I just wondered if anyone could advise me.
>> We are currently in the process of applying to Australia under the
>> Business Owner category, with my husband being the main applicant.
>> But when I read 'Got NZ PR - what about Aus too? ' I wondered if I
>> should be appying. I am a NZ citizen, born there, but came to the UK
>> in 1986. I thought the rules had changed last year in Feb so I was
>> not entitled to apply. But if someone can get NZ PR and then apply
>> for Aus it made me think again. This maybe a much easier way, but what
>> about my husband, who is English and my 3 children, they have NZ
>> passports by decent?
>> Your thoughts will be appreciated.
>> Kind regards to you all,
>> Cinderella
>> --
>> Cinderella
>> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Sep 27th 2002, 11:49 am
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PS The original poster should make sure her migration visa is put in
her New Zealand passport (and the NZ passports of her kids) and not in
her British passport (or the children's British passports).
The reason for this is that if their Aus PR visas are in their British
passports, and they at any point use NZ passports to enter Australia,
the temporary visa granted to New Zealanders will override their
Australian PR visas.
Jeremy
>On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:57:02 GMT, [email protected] (JAJ) wrote:
>NZ citizens can live in Australia but no longer get PR automatically.
>You and your children will be entitled to the special visa given to
>New Zealand citizens on arrival -
>http://www.nz-oz.gov.au
>But you would not be able to sponsor your husband for permanent
>residence. Instead, all you could sponsor him for would be a
>restricted five year visa and if you were to die or your marriage
>ended for some reason, his position in Australia would be tenuous with
>no rights at all in New Zealand.
>Plus, without PR none of you could qualify for certain welfare
>benefits or ever apply for Australian citizenship.
>So I would still get Australian PR separately if you want to go to
>Australia. Otherwise I would be suggesting that you go to New Zealand
>for a while, where your husband could get NZ citizenship (and your
>children upgrade to full NZ citizenship, they currently won't be able
>to pass on NZ citizenship to any future children they have born
>outside NZ).
>Jeremy
>>On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 03:58:09 +0800, "Meawo~" wrote:
>>u go first, the rest go for re-union
>>hope its help
>>"cinderella" ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó
>>news:425882.1033041874@britishexpa-
>>ts.com ...
>>> Hello all,
>>> I just wondered if anyone could advise me.
>>> We are currently in the process of applying to Australia under the
>>> Business Owner category, with my husband being the main applicant.
>>> But when I read 'Got NZ PR - what about Aus too? ' I wondered if I
>>> should be appying. I am a NZ citizen, born there, but came to the UK
>>> in 1986. I thought the rules had changed last year in Feb so I was
>>> not entitled to apply. But if someone can get NZ PR and then apply
>>> for Aus it made me think again. This maybe a much easier way, but what
>>> about my husband, who is English and my 3 children, they have NZ
>>> passports by decent?
>>> Your thoughts will be appreciated.
>>> Kind regards to you all,
>>> Cinderella
>>> --
>>> Cinderella
>>> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
her New Zealand passport (and the NZ passports of her kids) and not in
her British passport (or the children's British passports).
The reason for this is that if their Aus PR visas are in their British
passports, and they at any point use NZ passports to enter Australia,
the temporary visa granted to New Zealanders will override their
Australian PR visas.
Jeremy
>On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:57:02 GMT, [email protected] (JAJ) wrote:
>NZ citizens can live in Australia but no longer get PR automatically.
>You and your children will be entitled to the special visa given to
>New Zealand citizens on arrival -
>http://www.nz-oz.gov.au
>But you would not be able to sponsor your husband for permanent
>residence. Instead, all you could sponsor him for would be a
>restricted five year visa and if you were to die or your marriage
>ended for some reason, his position in Australia would be tenuous with
>no rights at all in New Zealand.
>Plus, without PR none of you could qualify for certain welfare
>benefits or ever apply for Australian citizenship.
>So I would still get Australian PR separately if you want to go to
>Australia. Otherwise I would be suggesting that you go to New Zealand
>for a while, where your husband could get NZ citizenship (and your
>children upgrade to full NZ citizenship, they currently won't be able
>to pass on NZ citizenship to any future children they have born
>outside NZ).
>Jeremy
>>On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 03:58:09 +0800, "Meawo~" wrote:
>>u go first, the rest go for re-union
>>hope its help
>>"cinderella" ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó
>>news:425882.1033041874@britishexpa-
>>ts.com ...
>>> Hello all,
>>> I just wondered if anyone could advise me.
>>> We are currently in the process of applying to Australia under the
>>> Business Owner category, with my husband being the main applicant.
>>> But when I read 'Got NZ PR - what about Aus too? ' I wondered if I
>>> should be appying. I am a NZ citizen, born there, but came to the UK
>>> in 1986. I thought the rules had changed last year in Feb so I was
>>> not entitled to apply. But if someone can get NZ PR and then apply
>>> for Aus it made me think again. This maybe a much easier way, but what
>>> about my husband, who is English and my 3 children, they have NZ
>>> passports by decent?
>>> Your thoughts will be appreciated.
>>> Kind regards to you all,
>>> Cinderella
>>> --
>>> Cinderella
>>> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Sep 27th 2002, 1:10 pm
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Re: Australian Entry For Nz Citizen's
Originally posted by Jaj:
PS The original poster should make sure her migration visa is put in
her New Zealand passport (and the NZ passports of her kids) and not in
her British passport (or the children's British passports).
The reason for this is that if their Aus PR visas are in their British
passports, and they at any point use NZ passports to enter Australia,
the temporary visa granted to New Zealanders will override their
Australian PR visas.
Jeremy
>On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:57:02 GMT, [email protected] (JAJ) wrote:
>NZ citizens can live in Australia but no longer get PR automatically.
>You and your children will be entitled to the special visa given to
>New Zealand citizens on arrival -
>http://www.nz-oz.gov.au
>But you would not be able to sponsor your husband for permanent
>residence. Instead, all you could sponsor him for would be a
>restricted five year visa and if you were to die or your marriage
>ended for some reason, his position in Australia would be tenuous with
>no rights at all in New Zealand.
>Plus, without PR none of you could qualify for certain welfare
>benefits or ever apply for Australian citizenship.
>So I would still get Australian PR separately if you want to go to
>Australia. Otherwise I would be suggesting that you go to New Zealand
>for a while, where your husband could get NZ citizenship (and your
>children upgrade to full NZ citizenship, they currently won't be able
>to pass on NZ citizenship to any future children they have born
>outside NZ).
>Jeremy
>>On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 03:58:09 +0800, "Meawo~" wrote:
>>u go first, the rest go for re-union
>>hope its help
>>"cinderella" ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó
>>news:425882.1033041874@britishexpa-
>>ts.com ...
>>> Hello all,
>>> I just wondered if anyone could advise me.
>>> We are currently in the process of applying to Australia under the
>>> Business Owner category, with my husband being the main applicant.
>>> But when I read 'Got NZ PR - what about Aus too? ' I wondered if I
>>> should be appying. I am a NZ citizen, born there, but came to the UK
>>> in 1986. I thought the rules had changed last year in Feb so I was
>>> not entitled to apply. But if someone can get NZ PR and then apply
>>> for Aus it made me think again. This maybe a much easier way, but what
>>> about my husband, who is English and my 3 children, they have NZ
>>> passports by decent?
>>> Your thoughts will be appreciated.
>>> Kind regards to you all,
>>> Cinderella
>>> --
>>> Cinderella
>>> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
PS The original poster should make sure her migration visa is put in
her New Zealand passport (and the NZ passports of her kids) and not in
her British passport (or the children's British passports).
The reason for this is that if their Aus PR visas are in their British
passports, and they at any point use NZ passports to enter Australia,
the temporary visa granted to New Zealanders will override their
Australian PR visas.
Jeremy
>On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:57:02 GMT, [email protected] (JAJ) wrote:
>NZ citizens can live in Australia but no longer get PR automatically.
>You and your children will be entitled to the special visa given to
>New Zealand citizens on arrival -
>http://www.nz-oz.gov.au
>But you would not be able to sponsor your husband for permanent
>residence. Instead, all you could sponsor him for would be a
>restricted five year visa and if you were to die or your marriage
>ended for some reason, his position in Australia would be tenuous with
>no rights at all in New Zealand.
>Plus, without PR none of you could qualify for certain welfare
>benefits or ever apply for Australian citizenship.
>So I would still get Australian PR separately if you want to go to
>Australia. Otherwise I would be suggesting that you go to New Zealand
>for a while, where your husband could get NZ citizenship (and your
>children upgrade to full NZ citizenship, they currently won't be able
>to pass on NZ citizenship to any future children they have born
>outside NZ).
>Jeremy
>>On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 03:58:09 +0800, "Meawo~" wrote:
>>u go first, the rest go for re-union
>>hope its help
>>"cinderella" ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó
>>news:425882.1033041874@britishexpa-
>>ts.com ...
>>> Hello all,
>>> I just wondered if anyone could advise me.
>>> We are currently in the process of applying to Australia under the
>>> Business Owner category, with my husband being the main applicant.
>>> But when I read 'Got NZ PR - what about Aus too? ' I wondered if I
>>> should be appying. I am a NZ citizen, born there, but came to the UK
>>> in 1986. I thought the rules had changed last year in Feb so I was
>>> not entitled to apply. But if someone can get NZ PR and then apply
>>> for Aus it made me think again. This maybe a much easier way, but what
>>> about my husband, who is English and my 3 children, they have NZ
>>> passports by decent?
>>> Your thoughts will be appreciated.
>>> Kind regards to you all,
>>> Cinderella
>>> --
>>> Cinderella
>>> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Sep 27th 2002, 1:15 pm
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Re: Australian Entry For Nz Citizen's
Jeremy and Peter,
Many thanks for your comments, points taken.
Jeremy, so basically we are best to carry on applying for PR via the Business Owner route. But should I state in the application that my nationality is NZ or British?
Regards,
Cinderella
Many thanks for your comments, points taken.
Jeremy, so basically we are best to carry on applying for PR via the Business Owner route. But should I state in the application that my nationality is NZ or British?
Regards,
Cinderella
Sep 27th 2002, 9:21 pm
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Re: Australian Entry For Nz Citizen's
>On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:15:43 +0000, cinderella wrote:
>Jeremy and Peter,
>Many thanks for your comments, points taken.
>Jeremy, so basically we are best to carry on applying for PR via the
>Business Owner route.
If you see your future in Australia, then you really need to get PR,
so yes (assuming you qualify)
> But should I state in the application that my
> nationality is NZ or British?
Both (the form should have space for this). Same applies for your
kids.
Jeremy
>Jeremy and Peter,
>Many thanks for your comments, points taken.
>Jeremy, so basically we are best to carry on applying for PR via the
>Business Owner route.
If you see your future in Australia, then you really need to get PR,
so yes (assuming you qualify)
> But should I state in the application that my
> nationality is NZ or British?
Both (the form should have space for this). Same applies for your
kids.
Jeremy
Sep 28th 2002, 8:53 am
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Re: Australian Entry For Nz Citizen's
Actually, I need to correct myself here.
It's not legally possible to apply for a Special Category visa (the
temporary visa given to New Zealanders) if you are the holder of a
permanent visa. This stops your PR visa from being accidentally
overriden.
I think this provision was brought in in February 2001 when the rights
of NZ citizens coming to Australia changed.
It probably keeps things simpler to have your visa in your NZ passport
anyway rather than your British one, but it's not a major issue.
Jeremy
>On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:49:32 GMT, [email protected] (JAJ) wrote:
>PS The original poster should make sure her migration visa is put in
> her New Zealand passport (and the NZ passports of her kids) and not in
> her British passport (or the children's British passports).
>The reason for this is that if their Aus PR visas are in their British
>passports, and they at any point use NZ passports to enter Australia,
>the temporary visa granted to New Zealanders will override their
>Australian PR visas.
>Jeremy
It's not legally possible to apply for a Special Category visa (the
temporary visa given to New Zealanders) if you are the holder of a
permanent visa. This stops your PR visa from being accidentally
overriden.
I think this provision was brought in in February 2001 when the rights
of NZ citizens coming to Australia changed.
It probably keeps things simpler to have your visa in your NZ passport
anyway rather than your British one, but it's not a major issue.
Jeremy
>On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:49:32 GMT, [email protected] (JAJ) wrote:
>PS The original poster should make sure her migration visa is put in
> her New Zealand passport (and the NZ passports of her kids) and not in
> her British passport (or the children's British passports).
>The reason for this is that if their Aus PR visas are in their British
>passports, and they at any point use NZ passports to enter Australia,
>the temporary visa granted to New Zealanders will override their
>Australian PR visas.
>Jeremy
Sep 28th 2002, 9:16 pm
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Re: Australian Entry For Nz Citizen's
[QUOTE][SIZE=1]Originally posted by Jaj:
Actually, I need to correct myself here.
It's not legally possible to apply for a Special Category visa (the
temporary visa given to New Zealanders) if you are the holder of a
permanent visa. This stops your PR visa from being accidentally
overriden.
I think this provision was brought in in February 2001 when the rights
of NZ citizens coming to Australia changed.
It probably keeps things simpler to have your visa in your NZ passport
anyway rather than your British one, but it's not a major issue.
Jeremy
Many thanks for your advice,
Kind regards,
Cinderella
Actually, I need to correct myself here.
It's not legally possible to apply for a Special Category visa (the
temporary visa given to New Zealanders) if you are the holder of a
permanent visa. This stops your PR visa from being accidentally
overriden.
I think this provision was brought in in February 2001 when the rights
of NZ citizens coming to Australia changed.
It probably keeps things simpler to have your visa in your NZ passport
anyway rather than your British one, but it's not a major issue.
Jeremy
Many thanks for your advice,
Kind regards,
Cinderella
