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Old Mar 20th 2016, 1:50 am
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts View Post
I think your attitude is really childish and old fashioned, circa 1970s UK.

... Striking employees should be sacked and jobs given to people who want to work.
And I think you are naive and circa 1980s thinking.

Whilst some companies, those that can't currently get staff easily, tend towards temporary surface stuff, wages have not kept up with GDP growth. Australia has tended to be better off for staff, with the mining boom, but as we know that's at an end.

The problem, as I've pointed out twice now, is the future. As actions like this by far right wing governments shows, the aim is to reduce protections and reduce terms and conditions whilst not allowing the middle and working classes to share in the money the 1% are progressively taking a larger and larger slice of.

As we move towards automation and large scale unemployment we need a new paradigm, not the bolstering of Thatcherite thinking and "take it or s*d off" lowest common denominator punishment of the poor.

Eventually, hopefully, this old fashioned american politics and idea of how things should be will die. It's inherently destructive and unsustainable in the long term.
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Old Mar 20th 2016, 2:19 am
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Originally Posted by GarryP View Post
And I think you are naive and circa 1980s thinking.

Whilst some companies, those that can't currently get staff easily, tend towards temporary surface stuff, wages have not kept up with GDP growth. Australia has tended to be better off for staff, with the mining boom, but as we know that's at an end.

The problem, as I've pointed out twice now, is the future. As actions like this by far right wing governments shows, the aim is to reduce protections and reduce terms and conditions whilst not allowing the middle and working classes to share in the money the 1% are progressively taking a larger and larger slice of.

As we move towards automation and large scale unemployment we need a new paradigm, not the bolstering of Thatcherite thinking and "take it or s*d off" lowest common denominator punishment of the poor.

Eventually, hopefully, this old fashioned american politics and idea of how things should be will die. It's inherently destructive and unsustainable in the long term.
Rubbish

Australian incomes and disposable incomes are high by international standards - among the highest of normal countries (excluding places like Qatar, Monaco etc)

Most economic metrics again have Australia in the very highest bracket

By international standards the Australian people have it very good

Australian workers are pampered in relation to other western countries. Laws and conditions are in their favour at the expense of employers

So:

F**k 'em

Times are tight

Wages in the private sector are falling - classic supply/demand scenario

We ain't exactly short of public servants - classic supply/demand scenario

They can have a pay rise when the deficit is gone

(I would have used the W word to describe them but apparently not allowed with public servants)
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts View Post
And striking on the public holiday, causing misery to thousands is not a me, me me attitude??

If private sector behaved the way the public sector occasionally does, the world would come to a grinding halt.
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The private sector that pays the wages of these muppets
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Originally Posted by GarryP View Post
And I think you are naive and circa 1980s thinking.

Whilst some companies, those that can't currently get staff easily, tend towards temporary surface stuff, wages have not kept up with GDP growth. Australia has tended to be better off for staff, with the mining boom, but as we know that's at an end.

The problem, as I've pointed out twice now, is the future. As actions like this by far right wing governments shows, the aim is to reduce protections and reduce terms and conditions whilst not allowing the middle and working classes to share in the money the 1% are progressively taking a larger and larger slice of.

As we move towards automation and large scale unemployment we need a new paradigm, not the bolstering of Thatcherite thinking and "take it or s*d off" lowest common denominator punishment of the poor.

Eventually, hopefully, this old fashioned american politics and idea of how things should be will die. It's inherently destructive and unsustainable in the long term.
He he ho ho.

Automation shifts the workforce. We've been through this. There is no evidence to prove automation kills overall employment. Remember automation has been happening for centuries. Its not a new thing.

Eg. IT - helps Automation. Were there any IT workers as you know them today in the 1950's? Negative Ghostrider.

Your theory is shallow and flawed.
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He he ho ho.

Automation shifts the workforce. We've been through this. There is no evidence to prove automation kills overall employment. Remember automation has been happening for centuries. Its not a new thing.

Eg. IT - helps Automation. Were there any IT workers as you know them today in the 1950's? Negative Ghostrider.

Your theory is shallow and flawed.
Yes

Automation drives productivity and economic activity, changes the focus of the workforce and opens up new avenues of business, innovation and commerce

Nothing new here and any opinion to the contrary is just that - opinion. Economics shows us otherwise
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Your theory is shallow and flawed.


... and widely accepted by people actually studying the area and thinking about it. But don't let reality dissuade you from claiming black is white, up is down, and 2+2=37.

The robots are stealing our jobs: could a basic income system save us?

"Unless the political establishments and the political centre address insecurities, we're in for a very nasty decade."
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(I would have used the W word to describe them but apparently not allowed with public servants)
The word was removed as a complaint was received about your usage in general. Forum readers do not wish to read a stream of bad language.
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... and widely accepted by people actually studying the area and thinking about it. But don't let reality dissuade you from claiming black is white, up is down, and 2+2=37.

The robots are stealing our jobs: could a basic income system save us?
I hope you aren't suggesting those in this article are the experts.

What a load of academic left wing rubbish.

There is no mention of what automation and technology has done for employment over time. Its blatantly ignored to suit the dispicable left wing agenda.
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I hope you aren't suggesting those in this article are the experts.

What a load of academic left wing rubbish.

There is no mention of what automation and technology has done for employment over time. Its blatantly ignored to suit the dispicable left wing agenda.
So, the Harvard Business Review, how's that for 'a load of academic left wing rubbish'?

https://hbr.org/2015/06/beyond-automation

It's a very 'climate denier' perspective on real threats.
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So, the Harvard Business Review, how's that for 'a load of academic left wing rubbish'?

https://hbr.org/2015/06/beyond-automation

It's a very 'climate denier' perspective on real threats.
Spot on. Thomas Davenport is a professional academic. Do I need to say more?
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Spot on. Thomas Davenport is a professional academic. Do I need to say more?
You're sorry? ......
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You're sorry? ......
For what? Reading the whole article to the end and understanding that even this academic accepts that automation creates jobs?
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Date change for the DIBP strikes:

Travellers - interruption to airport services from 29 March 2016
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