Is Australia an oversold country?
Jun 23rd 2009, 1:17 am
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Re: Is Australia an oversold country?
Distance is and always will be the crux of the matter. On top of that though, Australia's aviation industry is miniscule in comparison to the UK/EU. Increased competition will always drive prices down and Australia historically has only ever had a few airlines to choose from. Things are changing now but it has still got a long way to go but cost will never equal the UK's.
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Jun 23rd 2009, 1:21 am
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Re: Is Australia an oversold country?
After reading hundreds of threads here, I have a feeling that Australia is perhaps a little bit of an oversold or overhyped country. With exorbitant property prices, high cost of living, relatively low income level, arguably a racist society, life-style compromise for some, scanty job market etc..... is it still a good value proposition for you?
So, why do people still go there? Lack of alternatives? Most other countries are non-English speaking, Canada too cold, US not to everyone's taste, NZ not offering much prospect, Ireland not different from UK....
One thing is for sure..... Australians have managed to market Ozland very well. You are Wanted Downunder!
So, why do people still go there? Lack of alternatives? Most other countries are non-English speaking, Canada too cold, US not to everyone's taste, NZ not offering much prospect, Ireland not different from UK....
One thing is for sure..... Australians have managed to market Ozland very well. You are Wanted Downunder!
Weather, English-speaking, a vaguely safe and desirable 'Western' and prosperous (yes) lifestyle.
In fact, it STILL does this things well. There are many places that don't.
Jun 23rd 2009, 1:27 am
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Re: Is Australia an oversold country?
I know the prices have come down but $199 is not £1 + £27 airport tax (or whatever it is).
Distance is and always will be the crux of the matter. On top of that though, Australia's aviation industry is miniscule in comparison to the UK/EU. Increased competition will always drive prices down and Australia historically has only ever had a few airlines to choose from. Things are changing now but it has still got a long way to go but cost will never equal the UK's.
Distance is and always will be the crux of the matter. On top of that though, Australia's aviation industry is miniscule in comparison to the UK/EU. Increased competition will always drive prices down and Australia historically has only ever had a few airlines to choose from. Things are changing now but it has still got a long way to go but cost will never equal the UK's.
I miss being able to hop on a cheap flight to Italy but I gained cheap flights to Asia, £30 or £100, it is not a huge difference given it is not something done every week.
Jun 23rd 2009, 1:27 am
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Re: Is Australia an oversold country?
Not at all oversold.
It's a fabulous place to live and raise children. But it isn't the land of milk and honey - which is how a fair few immigrants view it and then end up shocked that it is just a normal country with all of the social and economic woes in most other 1st world countries.
This board is very negative at the moment. Ebbs and flows. Next week the majority of posters will be positive.
It's a fabulous place to live and raise children. But it isn't the land of milk and honey - which is how a fair few immigrants view it and then end up shocked that it is just a normal country with all of the social and economic woes in most other 1st world countries.
This board is very negative at the moment. Ebbs and flows. Next week the majority of posters will be positive.
We were lucky to get here and establish before some of the increases and the slowdown..
Jun 23rd 2009, 1:33 am
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I'm not complaining about it, it doesn't really bother me. If I want to go somewhere I will just go. I am however pointing it out as it does affect many people, especially those with families. It's one thing doing it for yourself, but quite another if say you have a family of 4.
Jun 23rd 2009, 1:40 am
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I'm not complaining about it, it doesn't really bother me. If I want to go somewhere I will just go. I am however pointing it out as it does affect many people, especially those with families. It's one thing doing it for yourself, but quite another if say you have a family of 4.
Jun 23rd 2009, 2:00 am
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Re: Is Australia an oversold country?
The outlook for jobs in the UK is bleaker now than it was in the 1990s recession and more like the "deep" recession of the 1980s, the TUC says. The unemployment rate increased by 30% in the first 12 months of the current recession, compared with 22% in the 1990s and 29% in the 1980s, it says. Unemployment rose to a 12-year high of 2.261 million in April.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8114012.stm
Jun 23rd 2009, 2:08 am
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Are you sure?
The outlook for jobs in the UK is bleaker now than it was in the 1990s recession and more like the "deep" recession of the 1980s, the TUC says. The unemployment rate increased by 30% in the first 12 months of the current recession, compared with 22% in the 1990s and 29% in the 1980s, it says. Unemployment rose to a 12-year high of 2.261 million in April.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8114012.stmwww.hrmguide.co.uk/jobmarket/unemployment.htm
What you have to have a look at also are the sectors that are being hit the hardest by unemployment. IT and many professional occupations haven't really been hit that hard. The majority of unemployment is in the unskilled worker sector and that is where the majority of redundancies have come from.
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Jun 23rd 2009, 3:14 am
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Re: Is Australia an oversold country?
Hutch surely if you moved back you would be closer to your in laws?
Jun 23rd 2009, 3:58 am
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Still wasn't as cheap and easy as people make out.
£20 flight to Nice was actually near £100 by the time taxes and return trip were added.
£20 flight to Nice was actually near £100 by the time taxes and return trip were added.
Jun 23rd 2009, 4:09 am
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I wonder how that compares to London to Bangkok, or London to Kuala Lumpur ?
Jun 23rd 2009, 4:14 am
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Re: Is Australia an oversold country?
That all depends on the circles you mix with. I think whether being single/attached or married also has something to do with it.
From my point of view while living in London, I would regulary (once or twice a month) take a long weekend and head to the continent on the Easyjet/Ryanair specials, and so did the people that I knew/my social circle and people I worked with. And this was even more frequent in the winter.
I think the group that doesn't take advantage of proximity to the EU are the ones that primarily have family commitments.
From my point of view while living in London, I would regulary (once or twice a month) take a long weekend and head to the continent on the Easyjet/Ryanair specials, and so did the people that I knew/my social circle and people I worked with. And this was even more frequent in the winter.
I think the group that doesn't take advantage of proximity to the EU are the ones that primarily have family commitments.
Every three months roughly would take a week to ten days in another destination within Europe.
Must say never seemed in any way unusual as many folk i knew especially from the early 90s appeared to prefer the shorter stints away than the longer four or five weeks in one hit hence would go regualar,no big deal prices being cheap.
We put a lot of onus on travel, perhaps the country folks lived in big houses(paying off) or something similar that absorbed their money ?Don't know but still had the odd weekend away in Norfolk or Sussex as well.
Saying that do go abroad once a year from Oz even if only to Asia but try to get to Europe at least every four years,sometimes not to Britain.
Probably say do find it easier out here with regards to money as do not spend anywhere near as much.
Not that it is so much cheaper perhaps,although is certainly so compared to London,not paying rent and buying when property was cheap was the clencher to a more relaxed way of living.
I would think Australia is perhaps over sold but that is the nature of successful advertising..for now the Brand sells well.Surely that applies to most brands on the market?
Jun 23rd 2009, 4:21 am
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Re: Is Australia an oversold country?
Average Wages February 2009
Male Full Time Total Earnings $1,328.10 per week ($69,061 pa)
Female Full Time Total Earnings $1,063.80 per week ($55,317 pa)
Unemployment benefit itself is between $982 and $1,062 per month for a single person.