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Old Jul 15th 2010, 10:54 am
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Originally Posted by coolshadows
Isn't the government about to go bust there unless they shed 1000s of jobs and raise taxes to cut costs / raise funds?
Who knows...

California's economy to see sluggish recovery this year, UCLA economists say.
Chapman economists said the state would lose 198,000 jobs in 2010, but add 182,000 in 2011.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,6824904.story
 
Old Jul 15th 2010, 10:57 am
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And have your relatives told you about the Alt A and Option Arm mortgages that are about to reset in US? Any news from them regarding commercial property in US which will undermine the banking system out there?

Don't worry if they haven't told you, I'm sure you'll be an expert in this field within 6-12 months time on BE, like other issues that have been going on and yet you have only woken up to the fact to.
What are you on about ?

Australia doesn't have these things and are therefore totally unrelated to the market here.
 
Old Jul 15th 2010, 11:00 am
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Originally Posted by coolshadows
Isn't the government about to go bust there unless they shed 1000s of jobs and raise taxes to cut costs / raise funds?
You can Google the stats, plenty of US states underwater, last I read was 44 out of 52.
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Old Jul 15th 2010, 11:07 am
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You can Google the stats, plenty of US states underwater, last I read was 44 out of 52.
Looks like you are trying to prove that it is very different to Australia.

So... is it different in Australia ?
 
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What are you on about ?

Australia doesn't have these things and are therefore totally unrelated to the market here.
We are completely related, the world is global. Bear in mind 50% of Aus bank's funding is from overseas, rates will go up after the election because of the higher cost of overseas funding, everything to do with what's going on abroad, I'm afraid.

China sells crap to US and Europe who are cutting jobs, reducing salaries and deleveraging.

China now has 65 million properties empty which could bring their banking system down, a bubble 5 times the size of US in the making.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/chi...-vacant-homes-

Unfortunately, Aus is joined to China's hip.
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Just look at this, house up for auction in Hartlepool for £10K. Can't see many people from that area affording Aus thesedays and yet 10 years ago, people were indeed swapping their Hartlepool hovels for 4x2 with pool in good areas of Perth.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...on-10-000.html
Ach, that doesn't really mean anything at all. It's a ****ed-out pixie-sized mid-terraced house next to an abandoned property in a shitty neighbourhood of a crappy town in a depressed region. They could offer to pay me ten grand to move in there and I still wouldn't.
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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
Looks like you are trying to prove that it is very different to Australia.

So... is it different in Australia ?
Yes, the bubbles bigger in Australia

Seriously, of course no two countries are alike, Spain & Ireland among others had property bubbles that popped too, they wheren't alike either but the effect was the same.

"Its different here/this time" was also said in Calif, Vegas, Spain, Ireland, Dubai etc, etc meaing "the circumstances are different therefore it won't happen here". They all had credible sounding reasons to back up their hypothosis, and turned out to be wrong.

I'm not saying prices will drop across the board by X% all over Aus, but I am saying there are areas where rampant speculation has taken over and that almost always ends the same way.
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I hope its doesn't crash like it did in Ireland and Spain because it might drive unemployment up to +13%.

Australia would have to look after its citizens first and they might revoke any PR holders who have been here less than 4 years and send them back to where ever they came from.

Food for thought.
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they might revoke any PR holders who have been here less than 4 years and send them back to where ever they came from.

Food for thought.
That would do wonders for the housing market!
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I am saying there are areas where rampant speculation has taken over and that almost always ends the same way.
I agree completely with that, and WA may be more so affected than NSW for example.
 
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Housing bubbles generating excessive mortgages, are in essence a welfare scheme for the finance industry, until it all turns pear shaped, when taxpayers are forced to bail them out.

The “masters of the universe” (as they consider themselves within the finance sector – for reasons only known to themselves) are in reality, the “master welfare beneficiaries” in bubble housing markets.


Our urban markets / cities are the engine drivers of a modern economy. Policy makers should not abuse them in treating them like casinos.

For metropolitan markets to rate as “affordable” and ensure that housing bubbles are not triggered, housing prices should not exceed three times gross annual household incomes.

some sixty years ago, where internationally the residential construction industry was wrenched from the “horse and buggy” era to the modern one we know today, affordable housing supply can meet demand if allowed to by Governments.

We do not for example have an “automobile affordability problem” and low interest rates did not create a bubble in the pricing of automobiles, computers or other goods we buy.

The economic profession generally has yet to wake up to this.

Of the six countries covered by the Annual Demographia Surveys (USA, Canada, Ireland, UK, Australia, New Zealand), the United Kingdom housing is the worst in terms of size, age and quality.

Although the United Kingdom is considered a first world country, its new residential house size at just 76 square metres (818 square feet) is now slightly smaller than the Stalinist slab housing the East Germans have been fleeing from since reunification. In 1920, the average size of a new British residential unit was 120 square metres (1,300 square feet).
http://www.australianhousehunters.co...waking-up-too/


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but to ensure the bubble stays aloft, the government is pulling in another 300,000 migrants -- many of them destined for Queensland, according to recent reports. It's been described as the world's (and certainly Australia's) biggest ponzi scheme
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Old Jul 16th 2010, 6:42 am
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the government is pulling in another 300,000 migrants -- many of them destined for Queensland
I thought they were trying to reduce the intake

300,000 would be a 75% increase on the 2008-09 intake of 171,318.
 
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Australia would have to look after its citizens first and they might revoke any PR holders who have been here less than 4 years and send them back to where ever they came from.

Food for thought.
As much chance as prices rising indefinitely. If they could achieve that legally, it would open the door to ship out anyone who's unemployed (by the same failure of human rights).
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http://www.australianhousehunters.co...waking-up-too/


Interesting article


but to ensure the bubble stays aloft, the government is pulling in another 300,000 migrants -- many of them destined for Queensland, according to recent reports. It's been described as the world's (and certainly Australia's) biggest ponzi scheme
"The United Kingdom current build rate at around two units annually per thousand population, is below replacement."

That should push prices up, or fill the street with homeless people, or both.
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