MikeStanton

Anybody contemplating emigrating to Oz, might like to take a look at the Department of Immigration "permanent departure" statisitics at http://www.immi.gov.au/statistics/pu...date_jun02.pdf


Between 1999-2002, ~43% of people that left Oz were classified as managers, administrators, professionals and associate professionals.

And ~50% of the people that left were born in Australia (!), with NZ and UK born residents providing the 2nd and 3rd highest level of departures.

This may be why some observers believe that if this trend continues the skill base of Oz will be run down and down...

Hey, no worries - Oz can become one large call centre!

Megalania

'The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy', Douglas Adams

Scene 5. Int. Escape Capsule

FORD:
Well I don’t know. Let’s have a look. Here! Here. There’s a plaque on this one.

ARTHUR:
What does it say?

FORD:
�Golgafrincham Ark Fleet. Ship B. Hold Seven: Telephone Sanitizers, Second Class.� And a serial number!

ARTHUR:
�Telephone Sanitizer�? A dead telephone sanitizer?

FORD:
Best kind.

ARTHUR:
Well what’s he doing here?

FORD:
Not a lot.

ARTHUR:
No! - but I mean why? Good god! This one’s a dead hairdresser.

FORD:
And this one here’s an advertising account executive.

...

CAPTAIN:
That it was very important for moral to feel that they would be arriving on a planet where they could be sure of a good haircut and where the phones were clean.

...

Scene 5. Int. Escape Capsule

OzTennis

Ah, but all these clever people from the UK are moving to Oz so there's nothing to fear. And do the 'stats' say how many of these emigrants return in the future? And if Indian experience is anything to go by the cream of the graduates will join the call centres (and not emigrate).

OzTennis

Amazulu

More jobs for us then!.

cols

That's very optimistic but I think your logic is a bit flawed here since many of these people are leaving to further their careers. This is something that they can't effectively do in Australia because the market is too small.

How many country towns do you know that have benefited from it's best people leaving for better careers in the city? and how does that contribute to job generation in the country town? it's the same thing here but on a bigger scale.

HiddenPaw

Lots of Oz companies have outsourced their call centres to India. Telstra is one of them.

More Aussies leaving Oz just means more immigrants required to make up the labour force (or more importantly keep the tax revenues up) - that has to be good news for anyone trying to get in to Oz!!!

Grayling

As I posted on here the other day.
I received some documents from Sydney which had been posted from Singapore.
Outsourcing is worldwide.

G

cols

Not if the industry that they are looking for work in is dead

HiddenPaw

this is true!

I find it bizarre that a govt owned company has outsourced so much work to India and is still outsourcing more (more Telstra job cuts announced last week as additional contracts awarded to Indian companies; 2000 Telstra jobs expected to go, the majority of them in Melbourne).

This same govt has a policy of "buy Australian, keep jobs in Australia". The govt then conducts an enquiry as to why the labour force is leaving Oz. The govt already know that tax revenues aren't sufficent to sustain the country and public funding is dwindling (resulting in hospitals closing, etc etc etc). Where are the taxes going to come from!??

Megalania

Australia’s exports: growth and diversity: that was then.

If $A and commodity boom last; poof goes city industries.

OzTennis

Paradoxes everywhere HP I'm afraid. BT outsources to India, the government is happy to raise billions from excise on alcohol and tobacco and then other departments extol the benefits of fitness and healthy lifestyle - meanwhile the NHS is in crisis due to underfunding and .... um, lots of patients are admitted due to illnesses brought on by alcohol and cigarettes. In a market economy businesses (whether owned by the government or not) look to trim their costs. Telstra has shareholders who are after dividends and want to see their share price rise so the board have to keep their major stakeholder happy. Oh and the government is worried about obesity, particularly in the younger generation. But they are happy to allow over 4,000 Coca Cola vending machines in schools - solution from Coca Cola and the government is that they'll take their logo off the machines and put some water in as well as the fizzy drinks. This is because schools raise millions from sales of .... um, obesity and diabetes fuelling drinks. It's similar to the excise on alcohol and cigs. Much of this seems off track to the thread but it isn't - issues are more complex than they first seem.

OzTennis

HiddenPaw

oh for sure, it's the same in UK.
Keeping the shareholders happy seems to be the main business driver these days, regardless of impact/negative effects.

Amazulu

In a global economy people will move around. Aussies will come here to further their careers, we'll go there to do our thing. It's a natural process. The same thing happened in Southern California in the 90's & they are still doing okay. South Africa has undergone (& is still continuing) a massive brain drain since the 80's. But now a lot of people who left are heading back, taking with them their new skills, experience & money. The country is gaining from this, so will Australia.

bondipom

Outsourcing to the cheapest supplier is an unstoppable force. The job losses make the headlines but the economy will redeploy its resources and hopefully India will start developing. It is not all bad news.

earlswood

A young Aussie lad moved to London and went to Harrods looking for a job.

The manager asked "Do you have any sales experience?" The young man
answered "Yeah, I was a salesman back home."

The manager liked the Aussie so he gave him the job.

His first day on the job was challenging and busy, but he got through it.

After the store was locked up, the manager came down and asked "OK, so how
many sales did you make today?" The Aussie said "One."

The manager groaned and continued "Just one? Our sales people average 20 or
30 sales a day. How much was the sale for?"

"£101,237.64."

The manager choked and exclaimed "£101,237.64? What the hell did you sell
him?"

"Well, first I sold him a small fish hook, then a medium fish hook, and
then I sold him a new fishing rod. Then I asked him where he was going
fishing and he said down at the coast, so I told him he would need a boat,
so we went down to the boat department and I sold him that twin-engined
Power Cat. Then he said he didn't think his Honda Civic would pull it, so I
took him down to car sales and I sold him the 4 x 4 Suzuki".

The manager, incredulous, said "You mean to tell me....a guy came in here
to buy a fish hook and you sold him a boat and 4x4?"

"No no no......he came in here to buy a box of tampons for his lady friend
and I said.........'Well, since your weekend's f**ked, you might as well go
fishing."