Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Apr 22nd 2010, 1:49 am
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Four years, but a long time ago. It used to be Rhodesia then: a true third world story of corruption, incompetence and fraud now.
Apr 22nd 2010, 2:28 am
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Apr 22nd 2010, 2:34 am
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
I am not so naive as to think that Australia is corruption and incompetence free, but I my experience it's no better or no worse than the UK.
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Apr 22nd 2010, 2:44 am
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
The sort of carry-on that is found in Zimbabwe beggers belief so I cannot even fathom that Australia is in the same book let alone on the same page. And it's not just Africa, Eastern Europe - Russia in particular is incredibly corrupt, and in fact any country with with wealth disparaties is going to be affected and there are many.
I am not so naive as to think that Australia is corruption and incompetence free, but I my experience it's no better or no worse than the UK.
I am not so naive as to think that Australia is corruption and incompetence free, but I my experience it's no better or no worse than the UK.
Apr 22nd 2010, 2:56 am
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
I would say that's a bit of a comparison
Apr 22nd 2010, 3:00 am
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
No, he said outside of Africa, as if to suggest that Africa's level of corruption etc was a given, but that outside of that, then Australia came reasonably high on the corruption stakes.
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Apr 22nd 2010, 4:44 am
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
And just where is this corruption you speak of?
Has a cop demanded a sweetener in order not to give you a ticket?
Has the RTA deskperson demanded an 'appreciation' to give you your licence?
Has the Local Council representative said to cough up with some kindo f kickback?
Just where is this corruption you speak of? I personally have seen none whatsoever in dealing with every local,state and federal govt agency you can think of.
Has a cop demanded a sweetener in order not to give you a ticket?
Has the RTA deskperson demanded an 'appreciation' to give you your licence?
Has the Local Council representative said to cough up with some kindo f kickback?
Just where is this corruption you speak of? I personally have seen none whatsoever in dealing with every local,state and federal govt agency you can think of.
Apr 22nd 2010, 5:52 am
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Instead of learning about new cultures some people ask such migrants to stop all that or leave Aus. I think this is not multiculturism - asking a migrant to kill his soul, his roots and completely fake himself into an Aussie or leave the shores. Do you think it is fair?
Apr 22nd 2010, 6:14 am
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Ireland and Aussie have 80% things in common so you may not have faced as much resistance to your diversity as a Caribbean migrant, Indian migrant or Persian migrant will face. Such countries have < 5% commonalities with Oz. So when the migrants try to do, wear or speak their native, it bothers many. People unncessarily start getting offended.
Instead of learning about new cultures some people ask such migrants to stop all that or leave Aus. I think this is not multiculturism - asking a migrant to kill his soul, his roots and completely fake himself into an Aussie or leave the shores. Do you think it is fair?
Instead of learning about new cultures some people ask such migrants to stop all that or leave Aus. I think this is not multiculturism - asking a migrant to kill his soul, his roots and completely fake himself into an Aussie or leave the shores. Do you think it is fair?
However, I would say that UK has become too ethnocentric and Im curious to see whether Australias 'fit in or f**k off' strategy might just work.
Apr 22nd 2010, 6:28 am
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Multicultural strategy is
'Fit in & Fit us in' - means you learn & adopt good things about aussie culture and we'll learn good things about your culture.
Every culture has great things to offer. Why not learn it and appreciate such virtues. Instead of arrogantly saying - you have to change yourself because you chose to come here..
'Fit in & Fit us in' - means you learn & adopt good things about aussie culture and we'll learn good things about your culture.
Every culture has great things to offer. Why not learn it and appreciate such virtues. Instead of arrogantly saying - you have to change yourself because you chose to come here..
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Apr 22nd 2010, 6:36 am
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Multicultural strategy is
'Fit in & Fit us' - means you learn & adopt good things about aussie culture and we'll learn good things about your culture.
Every culture has great things to offer. Why not learn it and appreciate such virtues. Instead of arrogantly saying - you have to change yourself because you chose to come here..
'Fit in & Fit us' - means you learn & adopt good things about aussie culture and we'll learn good things about your culture.
Every culture has great things to offer. Why not learn it and appreciate such virtues. Instead of arrogantly saying - you have to change yourself because you chose to come here..
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Apr 22nd 2010, 6:55 am
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Apr 22nd 2010, 6:59 am
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Probably not, but you sort of expect them to be corrupt places, because governance is not well advanced there.
Google Wollongong Council and Developer Donations and see where that gets you.
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Apr 22nd 2010, 11:39 am
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
It seems to me some posters would say australia is full of corruption just because they don't like it, some the opposite. So I thought I would look for some independent rankings.
While surveys aren't perfect I think they are a lot more trustworthy than the point of view of one person.
Of course you could always find a survey to suit your view so this survey is good as it averages the results of many other corruption surveys:
http://www.transparency.org/policy_r...cpi_2009_table
Here's the top twenty. Australia is near Canada like always. In every survey we seem to be right near Canada. If Australia ever sinks I'm moving there
I am surprised the UK/US/Germany/Japan finished below Hong Kong. There goes one of my prejudices.
1 New Zealand 9.4
2 Denmark 9.3
3 Singapore 9.2
3 Sweden 9.2
5 Switzerland 9.0
6 Finland 8.9
6 Netherlands 8.9
8 Australia 8.7
8 Canada 8.7
8 Iceland 8.7
11 Norway 8.6
12 Hong Kong 8.2
12 Luxembourg 8.2
14 Germany 8.0
14 Ireland 8.0
16 Austria 7.9
17 Japan 7.7
17 United Kingdom 7.7
19 United States 7.5
20 Barbados 7.4
While surveys aren't perfect I think they are a lot more trustworthy than the point of view of one person.
Of course you could always find a survey to suit your view so this survey is good as it averages the results of many other corruption surveys:
http://www.transparency.org/policy_r...cpi_2009_table
Here's the top twenty. Australia is near Canada like always. In every survey we seem to be right near Canada. If Australia ever sinks I'm moving there
I am surprised the UK/US/Germany/Japan finished below Hong Kong. There goes one of my prejudices.
1 New Zealand 9.4
2 Denmark 9.3
3 Singapore 9.2
3 Sweden 9.2
5 Switzerland 9.0
6 Finland 8.9
6 Netherlands 8.9
8 Australia 8.7
8 Canada 8.7
8 Iceland 8.7
11 Norway 8.6
12 Hong Kong 8.2
12 Luxembourg 8.2
14 Germany 8.0
14 Ireland 8.0
16 Austria 7.9
17 Japan 7.7
17 United Kingdom 7.7
19 United States 7.5
20 Barbados 7.4
