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Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?

Old Apr 21st 2010, 6:37 am
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Default Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?

Originally Posted by Mr Grumpy View Post
Nonsense. Italy alone kicks our arses. Thats an incompetent and corrupt ridden society. Virtually every Asian and Latin American nation also. Most of Eastern Europe, and I would say all of the Middle East and other Western Europeans nations like Spain, Portugal and even Ireland.

Really the only countries that claim to have a better track record are the USA, UK, The Nordic countries and Germany and the Netherlands.

Hardly the whole world.
Even Ireland.. I would say most definitely Ireland! As corrupt and crooked as you can find..
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Old Apr 21st 2010, 6:43 am
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Default Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?

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Nonsense. Italy alone kicks our arses. Thats an incompetent and corrupt ridden society. Virtually every Asian and Latin American nation also. Most of Eastern Europe, and I would say all of the Middle East and other Western Europeans nations like Spain, Portugal and even Ireland.

Really the only countries that claim to have a better track record are the USA, UK, The Nordic countries and Germany and the Netherlands.

Hardly the whole world.
One of the reasons Greece is in such a mess is the fact that there are tax officials taking bribes off rich Greeks who don't want to pay tax.

We have an Italian friend who is scathing of the corruption there.

South Africa (as with much of the rest of Africa) is very corrupt.
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Default Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?

Australia is first world but with minor problems like
1. Knife culture
2. Bashing of migrants and asking them to leave Aus
3. Crumbling health system
4. Increasing prices of daily usage goods and rent
5. Intolerance of some natives towards multiculturism
etc, etc

But we are hopeful that govt will resolve these problems and bring Oz to the forefront
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Old Apr 21st 2010, 7:59 am
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Default Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?

Originally Posted by Mr Grumpy View Post
Nonsense. Italy alone kicks our arses. Thats an incompetent and corrupt ridden society. Virtually every Asian and Latin American nation also. Most of Eastern Europe, and I would say all of the Middle East and other Western Europeans nations like Spain, Portugal and even Ireland.

Really the only countries that claim to have a better track record are the USA, UK, The Nordic countries and Germany and the Netherlands.

Hardly the whole world.
I have lived in the UK for many years, the USA for twelve and Australia for only five (but with many visits over the last thirty or so years). There's no denying that just about any country has some problems with corruption, incompetence and organised crime - but the level of all these here in Australia beggars description: the corruption and incompetence extends all the way through the political classes, the executive, police, RTA, transport organisations, planning - you name it.

The other thing which hits you straight away, too, is the way the average Joe thinks about it - he tends to shrug his shoulders and pass on the other side of the street. ""Happens everywhere, just forget it".

In a more civilised country, there may be the problems (although nothing like the level) but people are extremely angry when it comes to the surface.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hatton
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Default Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?

Originally Posted by Wol View Post
I have lived in the UK for many years, the USA for twelve and Australia for only five (but with many visits over the last thirty or so years). There's no denying that just about any country has some problems with corruption, incompetence and organised crime - but the level of all these here in Australia beggars description: the corruption and incompetence extends all the way through the political classes, the executive, police, RTA, transport organisations, planning - you name it.

The other thing which hits you straight away, too, is the way the average Joe thinks about it - he tends to shrug his shoulders and pass on the other side of the street. ""Happens everywhere, just forget it".

In a more civilised country, there may be the problems (although nothing like the level) but people are extremely angry when it comes to the surface.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hatton
but isnt that because your average aussie is just to lazy to give a toss?

for instance
take the piss take petrol prices where its dearer to buy fuel on a bank holiday or the weekend
they had the pricing commision look into this and they said it was above board
your average aussie takes this as acceptable and tries to get his/her fuel on a tuesday wtf ?

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Old Apr 21st 2010, 8:13 am
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Default Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?

Originally Posted by markbhx View Post
I wouldn't call Greece or Spain a 1st world country. Have you seen the state of their roads and buildings!! Your lucky to get tarmac on some roads. Although Greece is my fav holiday spot shame they are about 20 years behind the rest of europe in infrastructure.
that could include alot of australia as well
tarmac on roads is a posh thing that only really happens on roads till about the sunshine coast after that if you stray off the main highway ( bruce highway ) your quite likely to find gravel or compacted earth roads
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Default Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?

Originally Posted by steve`o View Post
but isnt that because your average aussie is just to lazy to give a toss?

for instance
take the piss take petrol prices where its dearer to buy fuel on a bank holiday or the weekend
they had the pricing commision look into this and they said it was above board
your average aussie takes this as acceptable and tries to get his/her fuel on a tuesday wtf ?

They can't face being accused of whingeing, quite ingenious of people in power to instil that in em I reckon
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Default Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?

Originally Posted by stevenglish View Post
They can't face being accused of whingeing, quite ingenious of people in power to instil that in em I reckon
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Old Apr 21st 2010, 6:59 pm
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Default Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?

Originally Posted by mohogony View Post
What made you think OZ is a second world country .OZ is not only a first world country but has the best perfoming economy amongst all the first world countries.
I don't know much about economics but I guess you are right.... Australia has got more money than many other countries. But my impression comes from a different source, its my own personal experiences. My job took me to different countries over the years. After spending some time in the US, when I landed in Australia for the first time, it looked so backward! Local Australians seemed rustic and shallow. Much slower life and quality of shopping was lower. I have not checked everyone's pocket but it just seemed to me that a large part of population were underpaid. Well, when I compare it with Europe, Australia seems to lack the depth and sophistication. In fact, its nowhere even close. When I compare it with some Asian countries like Singapore, Korea, Japan etc., Australia does not stand good in terms of efficiency. Well, validation of my PR visa took me to Australia for a 2nd time after a few years. But, my impressions did not change this time either and additionally, a few events led me to believe that the term called "customer service" that (arguably) is a hallmark of a 1st world country is missing in the Oz land.

Thats not to say Australia is bad. In fact, there are a lot of things going well for it and thats why I have decided to migrate there. My point is just that Australia is probably (quite) a bit backward when compared to the rest of the 1st world countries. Can a country be rich but yet belong to 2nd or 3rd world? How about Middle Eastern countries where I am based now?

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Default Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?

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After spending some time in the US, when I landed in Australia for the first time, it looked so backward! Local Australians seemed rustic and shallow. Much slower life and quality of shopping was lower. I have not checked everyone's pocket but it just seemed to me that a large part of population were underpaid.
i once moved to Washington state in the US for a year. the community was obsessed with god and guns ... gun racks in the car back windows, people on the side of the road adjusting their gun sights, teenagers with holsters and handguns strolling around the forests looking for fun etc etc .... teen drinking at massive levels ... cocaine was sold openly in car parks ... and the poor folk were VERY VERY poor and underpaid... i have traveled a lot since but up until that point i had never lived in such a backward community before..
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Default Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?

Originally Posted by Wol View Post
I have lived in the UK for many years, the USA for twelve and Australia for only five (but with many visits over the last thirty or so years). There's no denying that just about any country has some problems with corruption, incompetence and organised crime - but the level of all these here in Australia beggars description: the corruption and incompetence extends all the way through the political classes, the executive, police, RTA, transport organisations, planning - you name it.

The other thing which hits you straight away, too, is the way the average Joe thinks about it - he tends to shrug his shoulders and pass on the other side of the street. ""Happens everywhere, just forget it".

In a more civilised country, there may be the problems (although nothing like the level) but people are extremely angry when it comes to the surface.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hatton
Yes, I would have guessed you had never lived in Africa if you think Australia's incompetence and corruption is comparable

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Yes, I would havbe guessed you had never lived in Africa if you think Australia's incompetence and corruption is comparable
To be fair, the thread topic is about developed nations.
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Default Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?

Originally Posted by mpgrewal View Post
Australia is first world but with minor problems like
1. Knife culture
2. Bashing of migrants and asking them to leave Aus
3. Crumbling health system
4. Increasing prices of daily usage goods and rent
5. Intolerance of some natives towards multiculturism
etc, etc

But we are hopeful that govt will resolve these problems and bring Oz to the forefront
Is it fair to state that this is your subjective experience of living here in Australia ?

My subjective experience from 8 years living here (having moved from Ireland in 2002) is of a good health system, no experience of crime, a truly multicultural society with a high degree of tolerance and diversity and price increases as you would expect from year to year.

It varies from person to person and based on your circumstances, attitude, outlook and expectations I would say.

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Old Apr 22nd 2010, 2:37 am
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Default Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?

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but isnt that because your average aussie is just to lazy to give a toss?
You forgot too gullible and, in the case of Queensland too backward, to give a toss as well. Don't get me wrong, I love my country and all that, but the absolute crap that people swallow on a daily basis amazes me.

In a recent citizenship ceremony I was treated to a speech by the Mayor of Brisbane who expounded the many virtues of Brisbane as being the premier city in Australia and cited our public transport system! That is a man who clearly needs to travel - if he could actually find a train or bus to take him there.
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In a recent citizenship ceremony I was treated to a speech by the Mayor of Brisbane
Oh god...Cando's citizenship ceremony speech...I was cringing!
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